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Hi JPS,

I’ll give you my take… as a trigger snob.

I’ve currently got 3 Daystates:
Renegade HP - electronic trigger
Wolverine R HP - mechanical trigger
Huntsman Regal - mechanical trigger

I like a two stage trigger and I like a light trigger pull weight - ideally 6 ounces or less.

The Renegade is super cool because it has Daystate’s electronic trigger (runs on 9 volt battery) WITHOUT the rest of the rifle being electronic. Basically its a Wolverine bullpup with Daystate’s electronic trigger.

The Renegade trigger is super smooth, has clearly defined 2-stages with a wall and breaks CONSISTENTLY at 2.3 ounces. I kid you not. It came to me that way and I have not adjusted.

My Wolverine’s trigger is breaking at 7 ounces now - with consistency and 2-stages. When I received it, it was breaking at over 2 pounds! I adjusted it to minimum sear engagement and got it to slightly under about 1 pound. It wasn’t very stable as I recall. I had to polish up the trigger internals a bit - and replace the top spring visible when you remove the trigger unit from the action with a much lighter spring.

Summary: There is no comparison if you prefer a light trigger”benchrest type” trigger - the Daystate electronic trigger is much nicer than the Wolverine’s trigger.

I actually prefer the Huntsman trigger over the Wolverine’s - although they appear similar in design.

Finally, break weight is not the only determining factor for me. My Weihrauch HW110 has a simple trigger design (much simpler than the HW100 trigger that is excellent) that I love. It’s super smooth and crisp and breaks at just under 8 ounces from the factory. It’s so nice - makes me love shooting that rifle.


As far as long term reliability of the electronic trigger, my Renegade is probably 8 years old. I’m the second owner - had it about 3 years. Replaced the 9 volt battery once. No issues and the break weight never changes… unlike mechanical triggers that need adjusting over time.

Hope this helps,

Ed
 
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jps2486 said:
For you Daystate owners with electronically controlled triggers, please comment on their long term reliability. I'm considering either a Red Wolf or the mechanical version Wolverine. Also, those with .177 cal rifles, how many shots per fill do you get? Some have said 400 which I find a little hard to believe.
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Shot count depends on the power programming. A 12 fpe Red Wolf can easily get 400. My lowest setting is around 18 fpe, and I think the shot count might be 200, but I've never closely counted. The trigger setting should be pretty much permanent. Granted, I haven't shot mine much, but I haven't touched the trigger in over 2 years, and I think it is exactly as I set it. That said, it's not a real trigger, at least not as we know it, but a pressure switch. So, I assume it is subject to wear, but I expect it will last a very long time.
 
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The only failure I've personally witnessed on a good number has been the battery cable wire breakage because you have to pull the battery to charge it. It's relatively easy to fix if a person has even very basic soldering capability. I've read a few of some descriptions of failures and always wonder about the actions of the owner involved but these are fairly rare as far as I've seen.
For shot count in 177, it's quite high if you stay below 20 ft lb and really high if below 12 ft lb. @Franklink documented a Standard EXTREMELY well a couple of years ago and it's worth the read if you are honestly considering one.
I have ALL the available calibers - 177, 20, 22, 25, and 30 for our 3. 177 was absolutely my own favorite because of firing behavior, shot count, and ammo cost but I just fitted the 20 barrel a month ago and it's been pretty wonderful as well. I use a Heliboard for versatility and convenience, but the GCU2 is just as capable... just doesn't have as many power levels and easy adjustability. Consider that it will shoot near a tin of 8.4s @ 12 ft lb quite accurately, well over 100 shots @ 20 ft lb, and 70ish @ 33 ft lb, all with excellent accuracy...
I've been particularly enjoying the 15 gn NSA's at longer ranges (75 to 200 on my range) and the 20 cal, 18.9s.. The 10.3s, 13.4s, and 16.1s are quite capable at 60 yards and under...
I have a lot of airguns but these are pretty special to me for their versatility, accuracy and firing behavior...
Bob
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The triggers are light and generally excellent but if you're a true trigger snob, a mechanical trigger will feel better. As has been mentioned, they do not change so are easy to adapt to... My wife's ProTarget is my favorite trigger but the FWB rifles are up there with it...
 
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For many years I owned a .22 RW HP and I shot it maxed out (940 fps with 25g pellets). The trigger was always top notch. Shot count was so/so because .22 is less efficient than .25 and the ECU isn’t as robust as a mechanical regulator. I don’t own this anymore because the programming method (external box) was expensive & outdated, and I prefer shorter Airguns.

I still own a .25 DW. It is significantly more powerful and efficient. The Huma regulator helps lighten the burden on the ECU, and the electronic trigger is sublime.

One of the major benefits of the electronic trigger is that it is not affected by any hammer/sear. Meaning that in “most” mechanical triggers as you increase the power the trigger dynamics and weight will change. The electronic triggers are not subject to this and remain blissfully perfect regardless of the power level.
 
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Some great replies here. I will add that I currently have 3 RWs. A Standard 177 and a HP 25 and 30. I previously owned a 177 Standard as well.

I'll stick to talking about the 177 in general. I don't know about 400 shots, but maybe if you are shooting sub 12fpe. I shoot generally in the 18-20fpe range with 10.xgr pellets and around 24-25fpe with 12.6gr Howlers. I'd say easily 120-150 shots from 250 bar down to around 170 for the pellets and around 80-100 for the slugs.

I've tried an Alpha Wolf and came back to the Red Wolf, preferring the rifle format to bullpup. One of the big things I like about the Red Wolf is that it is unregulated. I find my regulated airguns will shift velocity a bit with large temperature changes. The Red Wolf electronics compensates with its MAP to the bottle pressure. So even if pressure changes with temp the MAP will fire the hammer solenoid just right to maintain a very low ES. Add a Heliboard and get an easily programmable setup with very high precision.

I am a huge fan of the electronic triggers, but keep in mind the "click" is like a mouse click. You are pressing a switch so it takes very little force. But it is a very nice trigger if you like precise light triggers.

I've never had any reliability issues with my Red Wolves. I've also read very few threads about Red Wolf functional issue or things breaking down. As noted above, the battery cable is a bit fragile because it's not very flexible, but if you are gentle there are no issues.
 
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jps2486 said:
For you Daystate owners with electronically controlled triggers, please comment on their long term reliability. I'm considering either a Red Wolf or the mechanical version Wolverine. Also, those with .177 cal rifles, how many shots per fill do you get? Some have said 400 which I find a little hard to believe.
Thanks
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Intresting. I am on the same route. I have asked Krale in Holland if Daystate can set regulator pressure higher in the Wolverine HP so the gun will do +35 ft/ibs in .177 instead of the 30 ft/ibs. I only want to shoot+20grain slugs. I am waiting on their reply as-I-write-here. I like the looks of the Wolverine HP with forester stock. I ealier wrote with HumaAIR in Holland in regards to their regulators for Daystates .177cal guns. The recommended me getting a regulator for .30cal if my intention was to shoot heavy slugs only. My compromise is a batterypowered RW which I believe is a good gun, but if I can aquire a mechanical gun is so much better. I hate to call Elon everytime I need to charge my gun or depend on wind/solar power...:LOL
 
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rigbymauser said:
Intresting. I am on the same route. I have asked Krale in Holland if Daystate can set regulator pressure higher in the Wolverine HP so the gun will do +35 ft/ibs in .177 instead of the 30 ft/ibs. I only want to shoot+20grain slugs. I am waiting on their reply as-I-write-here. I like the looks of the Wolverine HP with forester stock. I ealier wrote with HumaAIR in Holland in regards to their regulators for Daystates .177cal guns. The recommended me getting a regulator for .30cal if my intention was to shoot heavy slugs only. My compromise is a batterypowered RW which I believe is a good gun, but if I can aquire a mechanical gun is so much better. I hate to call Elon everytime I need to charge my gun or depend on wind/solar power...:LOL
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I had a RAW HM1000x custom built for me by Martin Rutterford in .177 caliber because Air Force doesn't offer that caliber in that gun. I wanted to see if .177 caliber could be competitive with 30 cals at 100 yards. Mine was set up to shoot 13.4 gr slugs at 1010 fps or a tad over 30 fpe. I tried 16 gr which were ok, but anything heavier seemed to be non productive. I think heavier slugs may not be practical in that caliber. BTW, it shoots just as good as larger calibers. As far as the Daystates? I still am on the fence whether to buy a Wolverine or RW. The RW is easier to tune, methinks.
 
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