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MysticalDragon

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Hey everyone,

I've certainly gotten hooked. I've gotten a ghost in 177 and 25, and a revere safari in 177, though it's going back to aoa as it arrived with a leak. I got the revere as a backup and to let friends use.

I really enjoy hft and thankfully we have alot of it in ohio.

It might be crazy but I'm already looking at additional rifles. I really love the looks of both the redwolf midnight and the alpha wolf safari (the bluewolf as I like to call it is certainly my favorite as it's simply gorgeous) I'm trying to do my research from those who have actually used them with pros and cons.

I would expect one of them to be my primary hft rifle in 177, with the other a 50 and 100 yard bench and maybe some hunting, in 25 or 30 caliber.

I appreciate any feedback. If the redwolf becomes my hft rifle is it better to go with the hp even with the longer barrel or is there a benefit to going with the standard model and it's 6 inch shorter length, or the hp and the ability to run more power?

Is the battery life sufficient on the alpha wolf? Is it too similar to the ghost, just computerized? I know if they had a ghost safari that it would be a take my money now rifle.

Thanks for everything.
 
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Hey everyone,

I've certainly gotten hooked. I've gotten a ghost in 177 and 25, and a revere safari in 177, though it's going back to aoa as it arrived with a leak. I got the revere as a backup and to let friends use.

I really enjoy hft and thankfully we have alot of it in ohio.

It might be crazy but I'm already looking at additional rifles. I really love the looks of both the redwolf midnight and the alpha wolf safari (the bluewolf as I like to call it is certainly my favorite as it's simply gorgeous) I'm trying to do my research from those who have actually used them with pros and cons.

I would expect one of them to be my primary hft rifle in 177, with the other a 50 and 100 yard bench and maybe some hunting, in 25 or 30 caliber.

I appreciate any feedback. If the Redwolf becomes my hft rifle is it better to go with the hp even with the longer barrel or is there a benefit to going with the standard model and it's 6 inch shorter length, or the hp and the ability to run more power?

Is the battery life sufficient on the alpha wolf? Is it too similar to the ghost, just computerized? I know if they had a ghost safari that it would be a take my money now rifle.

Thanks for everything.
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The electronic rifles are wonderful; LIPO batteries are not the best but adequate; just remember to charge them routinely.
For me charging a battery is just one more thing on my "to do list" to do before i can shoot/play. That said, if air is at a premium, your electronic guns get crazy high shot counts and win lots of events.

Redwolf, esp with PRS accessories, has more weight out front - the short barrel for HFT is more than adequate.
RedWolf allows for 3 settings, so i set low at 888 for jsb 10.34 and medium at 819 for jsb 13.4 and high at 920 ish shooting the jsb 16.1 (pesting hammer).

I prefer the Ghost and the Alphawolf because the bullpup style puts the weight distribution more to the rear which help me in particular.

The Alphawolf allows you maximum flexibility (on the go) adjustments as long as you know your settings / value inputs; again short barrel is fine unless your going extreme FT.

For comparison some full regalia weights:
The Redwolf in a PRS chassis weighs - 14.2 lbs complete with scope and moderator
The Alphawolf with PRS butt with scope and moderator comes in at 11.5 lbs
The Ghost with PRS butt, scope and moderator comes in at 11 lbs

To me, as i have own(ed) all of these, they are all equally accurate once you know the speed a certain pellet likes.
Most recently, with the purchase of a Ghost Carbine in .177 I sold my Redwolf. I am enjoying the grab and go feature of the Ghost esp after Derrick Wall properly set up the trigger; the ghost also has a high shot count.
Thusly - my Alphawolf may be up for grabs as i am learning i am not a tuner or tweaker, i am a grab and go kinda shooter who truly enjoys a properly and professionally tuned air rifle.
 
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I have a walnut red wolf 177 and a ghost 177 hp and prefer the ghost for ft. For me it just seems to fit and feel better when shooting and my scores seem to reflect it. Never shot a red but i prefer mechanical over electronic, old guy mechanical is more my style. As for hp wolf i would think it would depend on projectile choice 10 vs 13 as my redwolf would only push 13’s to 780. Non hp. Oh didn’t mention my red wolf is up for sale.
 
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The electronic rifles are wonderful; LIPO batteries are not the best but adequate; just remember to charge them routinely.
For me charging a battery is just one more thing on my "to do list" to do before i can shoot/play. That said, if air is at a premium, your electronic guns get crazy high shot counts and win lots of events.

Redwolf, esp with PRS accessories, has more weight out front - the short barrel for HFT is more than adequate.
RedWolf allows for 3 settings, so i set low at 888 for jsb 10.34 and medium at 819 for jsb 13.4 and high at 920 ish shooting the jsb 16.1 (pesting hammer).

I prefer the Ghost and the Alphawolf because the bullpup style puts the weight distribution more to the rear which help me in particular.

The Alphawolf allows you maximum flexibility (on the go) adjustments as long as you know your settings / value inputs; again short barrel is fine unless your going extreme FT.

For comparison some full regalia weights:
The Redwolf in a PRS chassis weighs - 14.2 lbs complete with scope and moderator
The Alphawolf with PRS butt with scope and moderator comes in at 11.5 lbs
The Ghost with PRS butt, scope and moderator comes in at 11 lbs

To me, as i own(ed) all of these they are all equally accurate once you know the speed a certain pellet likes.
Most recently, with the purchase of a Ghost Carbine in .177 I solf my Redwolf. I am enjoying the grab and go feature of the Ghost esp after Derrick Wall properly set up the trigger; ghost also has a high shot count.
Thusly - my Alphawolf may be up for grabs as i am learning i am not a tuner or tweaker, i am a grab and go play kinda shooter.
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Cavedweller

THANK YOU. Its exactly this kind of firsthand info I was looking for.

While at times youtube videos can be helpful, to many seem to be infomercials and makes you question the accuracy of the information. Or they are sponsored so will never be critical of a certain manufacturer. Also I have heard from another youtuber that some will only send a loaner with an NDA that is highly restrictive including no negative comments.

I don't mind electronics, IF they've been proven reliable and beneficial. I was playing paintball when the electronics started coming in. While they created huge leaps forward, I was a woodsballer so the electronics weren't as beneficial as they would have been had I played speedball.

Everyone that I've shown a pic of the Alpha Wolf Safari says that its gorgeous. If they made a Ghost like that it would be an instant take my money rifle.

Thank you again. Your detailed insights are always helpful.
 
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I have a walnut red wolf 177 and a ghost 177 hp and prefer the ghost for ft. For me it just seems to fit and feel better when shooting and my scores seem to reflect it. Never shot a red but i prefer mechanical over electronic, old guy mechanical is more my style. As for hp wolf i would think it would depend on projectile choice 10 vs 13 as my redwolf would only push 13’s to 780. Non hp. Oh didn’t mention my red wolf is up for sale.
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Thank you. I don't mind electronics IF theres a benefit.

I could see a benefit with an alpha when you are testing various ammo and its a simple change of FPS to find what each likes etc. However Im certainly not a tinkerer. If I find something I like, once set I leave it be until such time as results dont reflect it.
 
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Notwithstanding I have many bullpup stile rifles that are very accurate and that are comfortable to shoulder, I think that Red Wolf and wolverines are easier to control at the shot. That mean achieving better accuracy with less effort.

The important think is that you feel confident at shot.

Personally what is making me pissed off is that a perfectly zeroed rifle without wind hits very far away of my aiming point with wind. Some of you that are much better shooters than me, will say that the wind is easy cake once you learn to speak it's lenguage ..... Not my case.

As a famous video maker at Chile says, the .30 CAL neutralize better the wind effect than smaller calibers. I am going to get prepared with the .30 Cal for more frequent use.
 
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Notwithstanding I have many bullpup stile rifles that are very accurate and that are comfortable to shoulder, I think that Red Wolf and wolverines are easier to control at the shot. Thant mean achieving better accuracy with less effort.

The important think is that you feel confident at shot.

Personally what is making me pissed off is that a perfectly zeroed rifle without wind hits very far away of my aiming point with wind. Some of you that are much better shooters than me, will say that the wind is easy cake once you learn to speak it's lenguage ..... Not my case.

As a famous video maker at Chile says, the .30 CAL neutralize better the wind effect than smaller calibers. I am going to get prepared with the .30 Cal for more frequent use.
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It will be interesting to see what you find with the calibers. Theres a good discussion in this thread: https://www.airgunnation.com/threads/25-or-30-for-100-yards.1294907/

I have a 25 caliber barrel for my ghost that I should be using for longer rangers. Though I will likely be getting something in 30caliber too should I want to hit things harder.

One of the reasons I got the revere was so that I would have something for friends to try and enjoy. Most saw the pic of the ghost and revere and liked the revere better as it was more similar to what they are used to shooting.

Thank you for the inputs its appreciated.
 
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Emu said:
Notwithstanding I have many bullpup stile rifles that are very accurate and that are comfortable to shoulder, I think that Red Wolf and wolverines are easier to control at the shot. That mean achieving better accuracy with less effort.

The important think is that you feel confident at shot.

Personally what is making me pissed off is that a perfectly zeroed rifle without wind hits very far away of my aiming point with wind. Some of you that are much better shooters than me, will say that the wind is easy cake once you learn to speak it's lenguage ..... Not my case.

As a famous video maker at Chile says, the .30 CAL neutralize better the wind effect than smaller calibers. I am going to get prepared with the .30 Cal for more frequent use.
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Well i was just out with my ghost 177 hp shooting slugs in a very gusty switchable wind and what i shot compares well with strelock for the same conditions. Its not so much size or weight as it is bc. The bc of the projectile is what’s important.
 
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I put a Red Wolf Standard in .22 through the process when they first released the GCU2 board.

And I competed with it in field target.

Should give you some stuff to consider.

Red Wolf Standard with G2 board

As I stated in the BSA Gold Star review concluding post, the next rifle to go through the process will be a Red Wolf in .22, second generation electronics. It is a non-High Power version but has the board that I believe is going into the Safari and HP versions (I think it's just different...
www.airgunnation.com www.airgunnation.com
 
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I put a Red Wolf Standard in .22 through the process when they first released the GCU2 board.

And I competed with it in field target.

Should give you some stuff to consider.

Red Wolf Standard with G2 board

As I stated in the BSA Gold Star review concluding post, the next rifle to go through the process will be a Red Wolf in .22, second generation electronics. It is a non-High Power version but has the board that I believe is going into the Safari and HP versions (I think it's just different...
www.airgunnation.com www.airgunnation.com
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Frank,

All i can say is wow. I spent most of the night reading the 8 pages of that thread. I thought your Ghost writeup was impressive but this blows even that out of the water.

This is simply an AMAZING read. Well worth reading all 8 pages of the journey. I truly feel that I have been schooled on a college level.

The fact that you took such time in the first place, then the time to share it here and answer questions is astonishing. Thank you for that.

It was clear early on, reading many of your inputs here, that you were one of a handful to always stop and listen to everything you shared. This and your other posts simply confirm that.

The fact that you were seriously considering buying this rifle speaks volumes.

When I had to return my revere to AOA because it was leaking, I spoke to them about the RW. Since my focus is mostly HFT I was wondering if the shorter barrel standard version or the longer HP were the way to go, they explained that you can always take power away, but there is only so much you can add. It seemed like good advice.

Frank with your vast knowledge and experience, and FT focus, would you still go with the RW in 22 for FT? It was an impressive score that you posted, but I also know that comes from a skilled shooter. Or given the same opportunity, go with a 177? I know your vast review was the 22. I had dismissed the 22 caliber because I have a Ghost in 177 and 25. When I was at the HFT match at the local field the strongly recommended 177 for HFT which is why I have two in 177 from their advice and expereince.
 
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If the main use of the gun is going to be sub 20fpe field target, I'd have to recommend .177.

.22 can be used, but you're making it harder on yourself before you even take the first shot.
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Thank you. Thats what I thought however I wanted to be sure after such a wonderful review, work and detailed writeup with the 22. I'm still blown away by it and was talking about it at the range today.

I certainly dont need any help making things harder thats for sure.
 
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