I never have followed the Redwolf models. When I see one for sale and it reads GC1 - GC2 what is that? I presume models can one explain?
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Daystate Redwolf models?
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I think it supposed to be GCU for gun control unit. 1 was the first version with a little less power.
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I would say that GC1 is different from GC2; not that one has more, or less, "power" than another. If one wants to massage the fps curve of either, one is able to do so.
We Americans need to honestly take a look at the pursuit of power; as it does not always equal the pursuit of excellence.
We Americans need to honestly take a look at the pursuit of power; as it does not always equal the pursuit of excellence.
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You can also add a heliboard which will allow for much more customization.
Believe the GC1 and GC2 were different power input as well, other than that they should operate that same I believe.
Believe the GC1 and GC2 were different power input as well, other than that they should operate that same I believe.
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GCU2 was something like 20% more power IIRC. Something similar to the difference between the Crown Mk1 vs Mk2, but based on electronics.
The GC2 software/firmware allows a little more customization by the end user, using only the cocking lever and the trigger (programmer not needed). Not to say that Daystate could not have put this more customizable programming into the GC1 electronics, but they were on to the GC2 by then so the GC1 didn't get any more updates.
The GC2 software/firmware allows a little more customization by the end user, using only the cocking lever and the trigger (programmer not needed). Not to say that Daystate could not have put this more customizable programming into the GC1 electronics, but they were on to the GC2 by then so the GC1 didn't get any more updates.
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The GC2 definitely has more power. Different circuitry to allow the higher power and I think there are a few other small changes of upgraded parts that allow the rifle to consistently handle the higher power (at least that is what I was told). I think the CG2 came out when the Safari did, and then they started putting it in all the Red Wolfs shortly after.
For comparison, if I recall correctly, my CG1 would shoot 25.4RD on high at 940, but the CG2 would shoot them around 980.
The Helliboard is amazing and would wish it came froM the factory that easy to adjust. It allowed me to try and succeed more pellet options. Although, the factory settings were darn good for 18s on Med and 25s on high. I barely got any more accuracy out of the Helliboard on those two.
For comparison, if I recall correctly, my CG1 would shoot 25.4RD on high at 940, but the CG2 would shoot them around 980.
The Helliboard is amazing and would wish it came froM the factory that easy to adjust. It allowed me to try and succeed more pellet options. Although, the factory settings were darn good for 18s on Med and 25s on high. I barely got any more accuracy out of the Helliboard on those two.
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Thank you to those that have replied. I have ran across these used and wondered the difference. I have toyed with the idea of buying one.
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The GCU1 rifle used a 7.4 v battery. The GCU2 rifle uses an 11.1v battery plus has several upgrades intended for better durability with the higher power AND the firmware can be updated to the latest current version which has a few more features. All current rifles have the GCU2 but there are 4 different stocks... walnut, laminate, Safari, and Heritage laminate. The Heritage is a special edition with different anodizing as well. In the 3 normal versions, there is a Standard and HP. The Standard has a 17" standard rifled barrel and the HP has a 23" polygonal barrel. Not sure what the max power was in GCU1 but in 22 was around 45 ft lb. The GCU2 can get around 33 ft lb in 177, 55 ft lb in 22, 65 in 25, and 80 in 30. Any Red Wolf can be upgraded to the latest version with the addition of the GCU2 and a couple of parts. I have been able to raise the power capabilities with a couple of relatively simple mods, on top of that. There are 5 orings in the power plant, 1 bottle oring, and 6 barrel orings, 3 of which are just shroud support.
It is a truly GREAT rifle !
There are 2 versions of magazine, also. Early ones were indexed by the rifle and had anti double feed but had some issues with broken indexing pins and marring the probe because of the power increases from the original design. The latest are much easier to load and are self indexing but no anti double feed.
The Delta Wolf has had a TOUGH act to follow but the latest on it finally is about caught up in accuracy . It has a little more power and tuning from the display.
The Heliboard can be had in 7.4v or 11.1v and offers 12 power levels plus tuning from the trigger and more info on the display. It does not have auto shutoff so you WILL kill the battery unrecoverably dead at some point... ask me how I know..
The Factory boards have 3 power levels that can be switched easily but must have a programmer to tune.
I think that is most of the details.
Bob
It is a truly GREAT rifle !
There are 2 versions of magazine, also. Early ones were indexed by the rifle and had anti double feed but had some issues with broken indexing pins and marring the probe because of the power increases from the original design. The latest are much easier to load and are self indexing but no anti double feed.
The Delta Wolf has had a TOUGH act to follow but the latest on it finally is about caught up in accuracy . It has a little more power and tuning from the display.
The Heliboard can be had in 7.4v or 11.1v and offers 12 power levels plus tuning from the trigger and more info on the display. It does not have auto shutoff so you WILL kill the battery unrecoverably dead at some point... ask me how I know..
The Factory boards have 3 power levels that can be switched easily but must have a programmer to tune.I think that is most of the details.
Bob
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I had a GC1 standard in .22 and it was very impressive. Mine was around 34fpe. Frugal on air, very quiet, dead nuts accurate, and the firing cycle was insanely quick. If you don't need mega power, you won't feel shorted with a GC1 gun. If power is your thing, seek out a newer one.
The reason I sold mine is the trigger. To be blunt, it's vague garbage. Very light garbage, so if you're into scary light triggers you may be fine with it.
Very cool guns for sure.
The reason I sold mine is the trigger. To be blunt, it's vague garbage. Very light garbage, so if you're into scary light triggers you may be fine with it.
Very cool guns for sure.
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The Helioboard allows greater flexibility in programming, and installing it will void your warranty.
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Factory setting are done with JSB pellets, so they are good for sure. At least, this s what they say.
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Just recieved an email from Tony Belas. I asked if the new RW Safari in .177cal could be pushed safely to 39-40 ft/ibs with 20grain slugs. He said they only use 16grain and the can be pushed up to 1100 ft/sec(43 ft/ibs).
I wrote back just a few hours ago I would be happy to send some 20grain slugs to Daystate factory.
When the RW with GCU1 came out Daystate advertized 30 ft/ibs in .177cal. When they a year later advertized with their RW Safari using GCU2 they advertized 30 ft/ibs(again). Wonder why they didn`t advertized the potential the of the GCU2 ?.
I wrote back just a few hours ago I would be happy to send some 20grain slugs to Daystate factory.
When the RW with GCU1 came out Daystate advertized 30 ft/ibs in .177cal. When they a year later advertized with their RW Safari using GCU2 they advertized 30 ft/ibs(again). Wonder why they didn`t advertized the potential the of the GCU2 ?.
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