Well, these 2 were just a little too sneaky this past weekend, so they showed up at 30 yards today as the perfect sacrifice for my Renegade in .25 caliber. The first one was shot in the face while watching me and the second one was shot between its eye and the ear. The Renegade has never let me down when I did my part but it's an excellent pcp for money that was well spent. The trigger is simply out of this world and its accuracy is truly unbelievable and I've never owned a Daystate that wasn't worth its money. JMHBHO