DE-tuning Sumatras and Careers to return a bell-curve power-band

The Korean-made Sumatras and Careers can be so much more than just MAXI-BLASTERS; so I sometimes lament there are no regulators available for them. That being the case, I've become pretty adept at DE-tuning them to realize their potentials as laser-accurate, mere super-magnums. Not an easy chore mind you, the results have been nothing less than startling; in fact, unbelievable to most folks.

De-"tuning" the Sumatras and Careers typically involves cutting the hammer-spring 1" to 1.5" shorter (or installing a weaker spring), reassembling and chronograph testing (usually several times) until you find the maximum power level desired, and the sweet-spot charge pressure required to return a bell-curve power-band. In my case(s) that means competition-worthy shots of no more than about 30 FPS extreme spread.

It's a time-consuming process; but by sacrificing a certain amount of their extreme power the Korean maxi-blasters can return useful power-bands of several to many shots, rather than losing velocity with every shot.

My latest 'detuning-Korean-maxi-blasters' success is a .25 Sumatra rifle that not only shoots with the finest, most expensive regulated PCPs modern manufacturing and marketing can muster, but can sometimes outshoot them! In its last Bench-rest Silhouette competition 'The Beast' prevailed over such heady competition as .30 Uragans and FX Impacts; that competition featuring 1/10 scale silhouettes shot at 40 to 100 yards from bench-rest in real-world wind conditions. To put the challenge into perspective, the 77 yard turkey's body is the size of a quarter. 

As taken from my .25 Sumatra testing (after detuning)- 

.25 Sam Yang Sumatra lever-action PCP repeater

33.95gr JSB, 2450 PSI, 26 shot powerband- Low= 893, Hi= 925, ES= 32, SD= 5, Average= 910 FPS/63.1 FP

These excellent numbers came after shortening and moly-lubing the hammer-spring. 

7/17/2019- 12 consecutive six-shot groups with 33.95 JSBs averaged 1.26” c-t-c at 100 yards. The best group measured .6o” c-t-c; the second best 100 yard group I've ever achieved with an airgun.

6/6/2020- Won the second Ranchito Robinson Airgun BRS match with a 34/40, including ten-in-a-row turkeys and pigs.

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Thanks for starting this thread, AirNGasman

Referring to this tune

25 Sam Yang Sumatra lever-action PCP repeater

33.95gr JSB, 2450 PSI, 26 shot powerband- Low= 893, Hi= 925, ES= 32, SD= 5, Average= 910 FPS/63.1 FP

Here are some questions

Long Rifle (not Carbine)?

Verifying, the gun is unregulated, correct?

Is the only modification the shortening & moly lubing of the hammer spring?

What power level on the wheel were you shooting at?

Did you adjust power level as tank pressure dropped?

Thanks again

Ed








 
Thank you, Ed.

To answer questions so far-

No, not black duct tape; black GORILLA tape. 😳

This Sumatra is the 500cc rifle, to eke out as many 63 FP shots as possible on a single charge without help of a regulator. The only modifications have been shortening & moly lubing of the hammer spring... and GORILLA taping the power wheel in its maximum-power position! Consequently, no clicking of the power-wheel.

We missed you last match, D. Our little BRS matches might not draw high quantities of competitors, but they certainly attract high QUALITY competitors! I am honored to have opportunities to compete against all you guys, and always look forward to the next opportunity. I'm flattered that everyone (but me) makes long drives to attend, and hope all find the matches worthwhile.


 
Thank you, Ed.

To answer questions so far-

No, not black duct tape; black GORILLA tape. 😳

This Sumatra is the 500cc rifle, to eke out as many 63 FP shots as possible on a single charge without help of a regulator. The only modifications have been shortening & moly lubing of the hammer spring... and GORILLA taping the power wheel in its maximum-power position! Consequently, no clicking of the power-wheel.

We missed you last match, D. Our little BRS matches might not draw high quantities of competitors, but they certainly attract high QUALITY competitors! I am honored to have opportunities to compete against all you guys, and always look forward to the next opportunity. I'm flattered that everyone (but me) makes long drives to attend, and hope all find the matches worthwhile.


Thanks AirNGasman

This is excellent info

All I need is the courage to disassemble the Sumatra

(and a spare hammer spring, back ordered from PA)

Why tape the power wheel at all?

Is it prone to drifting?

Ed
 
Good shooting with a GREAT rifle , AirNGasman !!

Wouldn't mind shooting with you guys some time. My bro lives near Madisonville and I visit occasionally . Maybe I'll look you up then.

I've had great success with my Career 707 w softer spring in 22 and last year took my Sam Yang and Sumatra 20 cals to LDs Long Range Challenge in Temecula . The Sam Yang was VERY close to my Red Wolf 22 in practice at 114 yds but I ended up using the RW after all. I did not soften the springs on the 20 cals but cut the hammer stops to allow more adjustment. They are consistent enough to be a contender for 100 yd for sure. I like em 'cause they're sturdy , accurate, and dependable. 

Bob
 
More answers.

Ed, when/if you decide to dive into your Sumatra, feel free to CALL me for help/guidance. Keyboarding is not only too time-consuming, but a poor means of real-time, back-and-forth information exchange. Just PM me when that time comes and I'll give you my phone number. Yes, the power-wheel is too easily bumped out of position, a risk I prefer to avoid in competition.

Arz, we'd love to have you join us when possible. We shoot two classes; 80 foot-pound maximum, and 35 foot-pound maximum. As most of us make pretty long round-trips to attend, most also shoot both classes. Sounds like you might be well equipped for both classes, perhaps with a bit of fiddling, set-up and preparation. I'll attach a download of our latest (recently revised) rules. Hope to see/meet you sometime.

DS, Sorry to confess that when I dive into any project it always takes about three times as long as I think it will, consequently I am not one to document details well. I would repeat a truism I learned the hard way (many times) in bow-making; you can always remove more material, but you can't add any! If you don't have extra springs, I'd suggest starting by removing 1/2 to 3/4" spring length and let chronograph testing be your guide from there. This might be a good time to repeat, it's a time-consuming process. BTW, you can also feel free to PM me for my phone number if you need help when you dive in.

Thank You, Gentlemen. 

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I appreciate the info you have dropped here very much, AirNGasman

Also appreciated is your time spent typing in the forums.

When the task of working on my Sumatra is at hand, perhaps a PM from me will appear, requesting a phone call.

If I get in trouble, the "perhaps" gets cancelled, and the PM sent, without a doubt.

No need to reply

Thanks again

and Take Care

Ed