The only tupplerware stocks I have are on AR type powder burners., no soul at all in those guns. I would much rather shoot my M 1
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Other Death of the springer
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I shoot a thumbhole stock from a Hatsan 65. I've put 6 different mod 95 actions In it. I bought 2 mod 65 refurbs for $120 each. The stock alone is worth the price.
The stocks are great. The triggers are crap. I've broken 15 Quattro triggers in the past 6 years. They break nice. But the internals (part #109) won't last 4k shots.
I've got a synthetic stock on an HW97k. I love it. I don't think it's beautiful but it is better for my use than a walnut stock. Tack driving laser beam from hell.
If they made an HW95 with a spring that would last and a synthetic stock I'd buy 4. I've had 4 and they all broke springs fast. I kept my favorite and put a Vortek kit in it. Hopefully I can get enough shots through it to appreciate the rifle. So far the HW95 has been my biggest let down. It's accurate. It's pretty to look at. It's never been reliable.
The Hatsans don't last but they are cheap. They have been more reliable than any of my HW and I can buy 4 for the price. A Vortek kit to fix the HW cost as much as a refurb Hatsan. So I could buy 5 Hatsans for what I've invested in my HW95. I've got more trouble free shots from the Hatsans than any HW I've had despite the fact they won't go 5k without trigger work.
My D34 is a rock. I've got at least 50k shots on it and it is a laser. Very few problems. A keeper.
I bought a Cometa 400 gas ram synthetic stock. So far the best value. It's (almost) as accurate as the HWs. I have 12k trouble free shots on it and I LOVE IT. I love it so much I bought another one. It's simple to work on and easy to shoot. The internals aren't the quality of the HW but overall it's just a better rifle. It's served me better than any rifle I've ever owned except the D34 and its still going.
I'm done with buying high priced airguns. I'm done with wood stocks that I can't hunt without scratching. I'm done with top end rifles with crappy springs. I'm buying rifles I can lay on the tailgate and strap to my pack.
Love the fancy rifles. Won't ever spend my money on another. Give me a good shooter I can put 200 shots a day through and last 6 months between repairs.
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Thanks for your reply. I love it. Nothing wrong with some of the cheaper springers. I had a benjamin Trail NP2 that i tuned up real nice. Loved that rifle one of the many i have sellers remorse on.
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That shape never bothered me. When I'm looking through the scope I can't see it anyway.
My 97k synthetic is a humpback whale. With a 40mm objective it' works great. I generally use a cheek rest on my rifles so the height of the stock is right for me. With tall rings I wouldn't have cheek weld.
The grip is too skinny. I'm up to the second knuckle in the trigger guard. Made a little grip for it and it's perfect.
It's funky offhand. I don't shoot it offhand much so I haven't figured out what's not right about it yet. I've never shot it off a table. But sitting in a lawn chair resting the CG on a camera tripod it feels like home. In bed. With a fire going. I wouldn't change a thing.
The synthetic stock on the 97k is solid. Its not wood but it's not Tupperware either. There are a few corners in the slot. Some edges need work. It's hollow in the back but it dosent resonate. It balances a little front heavy. I like that too.
The pull was shorter than any rifle I own. I put a 1" limbsaver on it and it's sweet. I swear it patterns better with a jiggly butt. All my springers benefit from them. But the 97k really needed the extra length.
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Wow! I basically just live with mine however they are. The only one that really bothers me is a powder burner that has a cheek rest that prevents me from aligning my eye box. Even after raising the scope, my eye is still slightly left of center. I have a riser coming to go up some more, and a set of moa mounts, otherwise I'll have to get out the belt sander.
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The death of the springer rifle
So i have a beef with the Airgun industry, specifically Spring and gas ram air rifle makers.
WHAT HAPPENED???????
When you paid a high ticket for an air rifle it was worth it as it was a functioning work of art. Bluing with a mirror finish, exhibition grade wallnut stocks, amazing triggers. Top of the line barrels and accuracy for days. Some where along the line people just forgot. Now its ABS plastics 10 lbs triggers and not so impressive stocks.
Bsa, Theoben, Airarms, Beeman, Hw, webley
These companys put out some of the best of the best. Yes some went under others sold out to other companys. But man i really wish some one would step up and bring back the springer. 90s and early 2000s were the hey day. And from like 2011 on they fell off. It sadens me it really does. Collectors hord anything worth a can of beans so finding these pieces of art work are next to impossible in the States.
Yes pcp are all the rage and have become extremely popular. The pcp really started to take over in 2013, from my point of View anyway, 2016 it just hogged the market and our beloved spring/gas ram forever applied to the back burner.
RIP to the Springer
The post is to spark conversion and or maybe reignite a love and passion for that springer in the closet.
I do not own the rifles in the pictures, if you do olease feel free to take credit. Thanks
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At least half of these are from my collection
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Manny here and others have never shot a bespoke gun with a fitted stock for them and their hand. It changes the whole game with springers.. 90% of factory springers are a universal 14.5 inch LOP
AND A strait cast medium grip that places either the left or right hand in a semi neutral position. Air rifles, SPRINGERS are not fire arms and react totally different. PCP IS CLOSE AS YOUR GONNA GET.. I could hand a first time shooter a pcp and tell them to put the cross hairs on target and they WILL hit it. With no rattling jolt recoil.
Trigger control and pull angles all play a role in springer accuracy. .
I don’t own a gun with a factory stock. then again I don’t shoot factory Guns.
AND A strait cast medium grip that places either the left or right hand in a semi neutral position. Air rifles, SPRINGERS are not fire arms and react totally different. PCP IS CLOSE AS YOUR GONNA GET.. I could hand a first time shooter a pcp and tell them to put the cross hairs on target and they WILL hit it. With no rattling jolt recoil.
Trigger control and pull angles all play a role in springer accuracy. .
I don’t own a gun with a factory stock. then again I don’t shoot factory Guns.
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I had the opposite experience. Spingers hit the mark and made me smile. PCP's however you have to learn them and tweek them in the hunt for accuacy. You need lots of O rings and gunsmiting tools. You learn so much from PCP's like how to ream a throat leade. The Chinese didn't see that as important, and it's absence cuts chunks of lead from your projectiles and packs it into the rifling, making accuracy unavailable. I learned so much of the innards of shooting from PCP's. The boring old springers just leave their lead in the pellet traps.Sadly i have to agree with you.. i am at Heart a spring gun shooter and always will be. Anyone can shoot a pcp accurately its takes time, patience and repetition to become skillful. Theres something to be said about shooting a springer, you really do learn alot about yourself in the process. Most guys give up and blame the gun when they cant hit the mark, instead of taking the time to learn the rifle and how she ticks. Springers are alot like woman
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Bob, do I have this right? A Hassan 65 adjustable stock will take a HW95 action without much tweaking?
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SO ? 4 hatsans (@300 ) = $1200 more than enough to buy a TX200 for a lifetime of use ! just sayin'
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Sure he would get a better production gun but from the sounds of it he shoots 4000 shots a month ..NO spring can take that. It’s simple heat transfer and shock. They all wear out .. some sooner, some later.
Really what a Airgun spring is asked to do is beyond the limits of physics and any spring manufactures limits.
A recent photo of Bob popped up last week after a day of shooting.
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I own both and definitely agree that within their limits, if you keep your expectations real, spring guns lend themselves to a fun day of extended shooting far better than PCP's. I never take a PCP on a camping trip.
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the whole concept is BS; I love my old springers; I put "tune kits" in them, and they are better than new.
Here is the problem with this BS logic: it is not the springer that is old! it is the old man trying to cock it!!
Here is the problem with this BS logic: it is not the springer that is old! it is the old man trying to cock it!!
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A hatsan 95 costs $99-120 refurb. $129 new at airgun depot.
I can buy 4 for $600. So you do the math.
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No tweaking at all. They are the same power plant. I think you will find the 125 will too. Maybe others.
The stock is sweet.
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I'm well over 200 a day. Some days 500 if I have the time. I'll have 75k shots in 2024. I'm hoping 125k next year.
Yes. No springer can handle that for long. Thus the disposable Hatsans.
If it wasn't for part #109 a hatsan would go 10k shots. Sadly those trigger parts are the weakest link. I'd rebuild them if I could replace the silly part.
The Cometa is 5x the gun at twice the price. A mighty good value. And the gas ram is super sweet. 12k shots and the innards hardly show any wear.
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Manny here and others have never shot a bespoke gun with a fitted stock for them and their hand. It changes the whole game with springers.. 90% of factory springers are a universal 14.5 inch LOP
AND A strait cast medium grip that places either the left or right hand in a semi neutral position. Air rifles, SPRINGERS are not fire arms and react totally different. PCP IS CLOSE AS YOUR GONNA GET.. I could hand a first time shooter a pcp and tell them to put the cross hairs on target and they WILL hit it. With no rattling jolt recoil.
Trigger control and pull angles all play a role in springer accuracy. .
I don’t own a gun with a factory stock. then again I don’t shoot factory Guns.
I don't know Manny. But if he's never shot a fine airgun he needs to!
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