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[BABz58]

I heard HW35's are great for small game hunting. Allegedly, you can take a shot and miss while your quarry sits there scratching fleas and will allow you a backup shot because you can operate the barrel latch silently.

I like that tidbit very much! Thanks

 

[rokonman]

I like that tidbit very much! Thanks

The barrel latch actually isn’t the star of that show. It’s the same short stroke that limits power that gives a very nice shot cycle.

 

[BABz58]

The barrel latch actually isn’t the star of that show. It’s the same short stroke that limits power that gives a very nice shot cycle.

You are a bad influence

 

[beerthief]

I had the same rule, ended up buying a second safe, it was easier.

It is a proven fact, Safe's only protect you from vandals not thief's.
Also the cost of a 2nd safe could buy a few air guns and pellets .

 

[BABz58]

It is a proven fact, Safe's only protect you from vandals not thief's.
Also the cost of a 2nd safe could buy a few air guns and pellets .

Well that and kept away from children, dust, getting knocked around, etc.
but I agree, locks are to keep honest people honest. The thief’s will find a way.

 

[Bedrock Bob]

It would take a thief all night to steal my rifles. I keep them safely hidden in a pile of broken Hatsans in my shop. They would have to sort through the whole pile to find the good ones. It would take them hours.

 

[rokonman]

The safe rule isn’t as much for security as to keep me from buying a new airgun every time I get my wallet filled back up!

 

[bustachip]

IDK about the 35 series, but I can tell you why I bought a HW30 recently. All I've ever had and shot are under levers, except for a R1 that I kept for a few months and sold. The under levers are great
and my favorite rifles, but they aren't the greatest for extended shooting sessions. I still have plenty of strength so that's a not a issue.
Anyway, I bought a HW30 from the sale Krales had going on for a Xmas gift for my nephew. After checking it out and shooting it, I knew right then I had to have one..lol. The little HW30 was just a breath of fresh air, it's a feather weight rifle with 97K accuracy at it's intended ranges. It's so easy to cock and load compared to my under levers, I was like, so this is what all the rage is about with these rifles. And just a joy to shoot, try one and you'll be hooked.

 

[KWK]

Now get your mitts on an HW50/99

 

[.20calguy]

To the original post. BABz58

I was thinking that the 35 was a weaker gun aswell but when I researched it I found it to be a valued hunting platform in the UK from its early beginning in 1951.

Why buy one?
Legacy!
The HW35 owners are very passionate about their ownership, and fond memories of them.

Then AoA, as if sensing a moment of weakness, swoops in with a stainless, walnut, version.
It even has a sling set up like I used to put on mine back in the Robert Beeman era.

This Beeman Webly Vulcan is a .177.
The Hatsan 95qe in .22 is a dead duck.
All my other springers are .20 cal, so I needed a .22 to replace the Hatsan.

And the Legacy lives on with a respectable modern example.

 

[bustachip]

To the original post. BABz58

I was thinking that the 35 was a weaker gun aswell but when I researched it I found it to be a valued hunting platform in the UK from its early beginning in 1951.

Why buy one?
Legacy!
The HW35 owners are very passionate about their ownership, and fond memories of them.

Then AoA, as if sensing a moment of weakness, swoops in with a stainless, walnut, version.
It even has a sling set up like I used to put on mine back in the Robert Beeman era.
View attachment 523218
This Beeman Webly Vulcan is a .177.
The Hatsan 95qe in .22 is a dead duck.
All my other springers are .20 cal, so I needed a .22 to replace the Hatsan.
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And the Legacy lives on with a respectable modern example.

It's nice looking rifle, are you going to leave the iron sights on it, or remove them?

 

[.20calguy]

It's nice looking rifle, are you going to leave the iron sights on it, or remove them?

I had planed to leave them. I only had an issue once when I had light behind me that caused the front sight to reflect, causing the sight picture to look like shooting through fog.

 

[BABz58]

Short and to the point is OK. Rude is not OK.

To my mind the road from "blunt" to "rude" is a short one; but there's plenty of space between "respectful" and "sugar-coated."

I’m blunt til I get poopty responses. That elevates things to Rude.

If you find me outright rude. Please block me. Problem solved.

 

[Bedrock Bob]

Just to throw a new wrinkle out there, it's interesting to contemplate the HW 35's continuing popularity in Germany.

There airguns are limited in power by law, unless you obtain a special license, to 7.5 joules (about 6 FPE). So buyers lean toward giving greater weight to factors other than velocity. Germans keep buying the 35 for its history, build quality, reputation for accuracy, and details - stout manual breech lockup, solid threaded-on rear section, lack of a long slot under the fore end, walnut stocks, etc.

If you browse the German auction site eGun, you see more HW 35's and HW 50's than just about any other Weirhrauch rifle. My assumption (and that's all it is!), would be that German guys tend to consider the HW 30 a junior model, and the heavier HW 80, simpler HW 95, pricier HW 97, etc., less attractive if you don't need the power.

Here of course, the 35 is no longer top gun velocity-wise, but we get all that other good stuff plus quite a bit more power than the natives. Which is kinda cool.

It's easy to forget the market for air rifles is so different in other countries. And the market for high end air rifles in the US is just a small part of that market.

 

[.20calguy]

I’m blunt til I get poopty responses. That elevates things to Rude.

If you find me outright rude. Please block me. Problem solved.

Relax Y'all
MDriskill is an asset to the AGN community who's work you may enjoy at some point.
Just let bygone's be bygone's, and lets shoot and talk..

 

[MDriskill]

(Ooops, accidentally erased my own earlier post! )

Just to throw a new wrinkle out there, it's interesting to contemplate the HW 35's continuing popularity in Germany.

There airguns are limited in power by law, unless you obtain a special license, to 7.5 joules (about 6 FPE). So buyers lean toward giving greater weight to factors other than velocity. Germans keep buying the 35 for its history, build quality, heavy but perfectly-balanced handling, reputation for accuracy, and details: stout manual breech lockup, solid threaded-on rear section, double cocking link with no long slot under the fore end, walnut stocks, etc.

If you browse the German auction site eGun, you see more HW 35's than just about any other Weihrauch rifle. My assumption (and that's all it is!), is that German shooters tend to consider the HW 30 a junior model; and the heavier HW 80, simpler HW 95, pricier HW 77/97, to be less attractive than the HW 35 unless you are licensed for the extra power, or just want a fixed barrel.

Here of course, the 35 is no longer top gun velocity-wise, but it's cool to get all that other good stuff plus quite a bit more power than the natives. The 35 is also still a good seller in the UK, and can bump up against their power limit of 12 FPE.

 

[.20calguy]

(Ooops, accidentally erased my own earlier post! )

Just to throw a new wrinkle out there, it's interesting to contemplate the HW 35's continuing popularity in Germany.

There airguns are limited in power by law, unless you obtain a special license, to 7.5 joules (about 6 FPE). So buyers lean toward giving greater weight to factors other than velocity. Germans keep buying the 35 for its history, build quality, reputation for accuracy, and details - stout manual breech lockup, solid threaded-on rear section, double cocking link with no long slot under the fore end, walnut stocks, etc.

If you browse the German auction site eGun, you see more HW 35's than just about any other Weihrauch rifle. My assumption (and that's all it is!), would be that German shooters tend to consider the HW 30 a junior model; and the heavier HW 80, simpler HW 95, pricier HW 77/97, to be less attractive than the HW 35 if you don't need the power or a fixed barrel.

Here of course, the 35 is no longer top gun velocity-wise, but we get all that other good stuff plus quite a bit more power than the natives. Which is kinda cool. The 35 is also still a good seller in the UK, and can max out to their power limit of 12 FPE.

I'm sure enjoying mine!

 

[MDriskill]

For the record, here are vintage examples of those two "thirty-something" Weihrauchs compared...obviously related, but definitely not alike.

The HW 35 weighs about 8 pounds, has a massive 35mm receiver tube with 30mm piston seal, and a manually-locked breech with a sliding thumb latch. Beeman's "EB" version combined the deluxe "Export" walnut stock with a 19-inch barrel (European version has 22-inch tube). When correctly set up, these older leather-sealed 35's can do 10 FPE or so; new ones can shoot a bit harder. A big, heavy, but perfectly balanced classic.

The HW 30 barely weighs 6 pounds, has a 30mm receiver tube with 25mm piston seal, and a simple auto-detent breech. This one pre-dates the Beeman R7, and has a slender finger-groove stock and light 14mm diameter barrel. Also has a leather piston seal, and is about a 6 FPE gun. I love the light weight and handling of this rifle. The current HW 30/R7 is a somewhat chunkier rifle with a plastic piston seal, greatly refined stock, heavier barrel, and better sights, but still the same basic action.

This 30 recently got rebuilt with a Maccari kit and the little dude is a total gas to shoot! The 35 is also newly cleaned, lubed, and deburred, but is a bit crankier and still a work in progress, lol...

 

[BABz58]

For the record, here are vintage examples of those two "thirty-something" Weihrauchs compared...obviously related, but definitely not alike.

View attachment 525256

The HW 35 weighs about 8 pounds, has a massive 35mm receiver tube, and a manually-locked breech with a sliding thumb latch. Beeman's "EB" version combined the deluxe "Export" walnut stock with a 19-inch barrel (European version has 22-inch tube). When correctly set up, these older leather-sealed 35's can do 10 FPE or so; new ones can shoot a bit harder. A big, heavy, but perfectly balanced classic.

The HW 30 barely weighs 6 pounds, has a 30mm receiver tube, and a simple auto-detent breech. This one pre-dates the Beeman R7, and has a slender finger-groove stock and light 14mm diameter barrel. Also has a leather piston seal, and is about a 6 FPE gun. I love the light weight and handling of this rifle. The current HW 30/R7 is a somewhat chunkier rifle with a plastic piston seal, refined stock, heavier barrel, and better sights, but still the same basic action.

This 30 recently got rebuilt with a Maccari kit and the little dude is a total gas to shoot! The 35 is also newly cleaned, lubed, and deburred, but is a bit crankier and still a work in progress, lol...

Excellent information. Thank you kindly

 

[.20calguy]

For the record, here are vintage examples of those two "thirty-something" Weihrauchs compared...obviously related, but definitely not alike.

View attachment 525256

The HW 35 weighs about 8 pounds, has a massive 35mm receiver tube, and a manually-locked breech with a sliding thumb latch. Beeman's "EB" version combined the deluxe "Export" walnut stock with a 19-inch barrel (European version has 22-inch tube). When correctly set up, these older leather-sealed 35's can do 10 FPE or so; new ones can shoot a bit harder. A big, heavy, but perfectly balanced classic.

The HW 30 barely weighs 6 pounds, has a 30mm receiver tube, and a simple auto-detent breech. This one pre-dates the Beeman R7, and has a slender finger-groove stock and light 14mm diameter barrel. Also has a leather piston seal, and is about a 6 FPE gun. I love the light weight and handling of this rifle. The current HW 30/R7 is a somewhat chunkier rifle with a plastic piston seal, refined stock, heavier barrel, and better sights, but still the same basic action.

This 30 recently got rebuilt with a Maccari kit and the little dude is a total gas to shoot! The 35 is also newly cleaned, lubed, and deburred, but is a bit crankier and still a work in progress, lol...

Beautiful duo!