Recently, I had an opportunity to compare my Diana Chaser "kit" with a friend's Artemis CP2. I have to say that the Artemis had a better finish on certain critical areas. For example, my Diana barrels were nowhere near as nicely finished as the Artemis brand on the barrel tenons, chamber entry, transfer ports and crowns. Even the barrel tenon o-rings seemed to be made of a better material (perhaps Viton?) on the Artemis. While the Artemis barrels appeared to be completely machined on CNC equipment and nicely blued AFTER machine work was completed, the Diana showed evidence of some less than stellar "hand work" in these areas. Another noticeable difference was in the trigger mechanisms and adjustment screws between the two. I realize both "brands" are manufactured by SnowPeak (Blueline?) but If I had my 'druthers I would pick the Artemis every time, now that I have had a chance to compare the two. Another bonus is the moderator is packed "loose" in the Artemis kit (NO red loctite to deal with!) allowing you to easily swap the moderator between the pistol/rifle barrels. ALSO you get TWO magazines included (as opposed to NONE for the Diana). Too late for me, but if any of you are considering buying one, go to Krale.shop and get the Artemis CP2! WAY better deal.
N/A Diana Chaser/Artemis CP2 Comparisons
- Thread starter CBKidd
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It IS interesting. As I said, the Artemis CP2 is a better deal in my opinion, loved that the suppressor was packed loose/separate, and my Bud said it was HERE in the states in only three days from the Netherlands! One more thing about the Artemis is the trigger. It seems to break very nicely, about the same as the Diana "DIT" trigger, but I noticed one of the adjustment screws (the one located in the trigger bow) has been deleted on the Artemis, and the trigger guard has no adjustment "slot" cut into it (unlike the Diana, which HAS the slot) for adjustment. I don't know if this is good/bad, suffice that the trigger on my Bud's CP2 was breaking nicely after he adjusted it. He had to remove the receiver from the stock to access the behind-the-trigger adjustment screw.
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well, if for some reason they removed the front trigger adjustment screw that makes no sense see the trigger is designed for one
most people do not know that there is a second adjustment screw in the trigger but as it come from the factory it is completely useless
both screws are too short the pins are too small and the setup is sloppy and why is that because it is easy to assemble
sure, Krale's price is good because of the 2 mag alone and how the 2 compare i have no firsthand knowledge but i do own 6 Chasers and many extra parts including .25 kits
i have completely rebuilt the trigger groups and have posted that many times and the trigger stop added to the sear is a very big deal so that you can have a trigger that moves just 1.5mm
the Buck Rail grip frame is a first class option
most people do not know that there is a second adjustment screw in the trigger but as it come from the factory it is completely useless
both screws are too short the pins are too small and the setup is sloppy and why is that because it is easy to assemble
sure, Krale's price is good because of the 2 mag alone and how the 2 compare i have no firsthand knowledge but i do own 6 Chasers and many extra parts including .25 kits
i have completely rebuilt the trigger groups and have posted that many times and the trigger stop added to the sear is a very big deal so that you can have a trigger that moves just 1.5mm
the Buck Rail grip frame is a first class option
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Marflow--- I was certainly puzzled when I noticed the screw in the trigger bow had been eliminated. Maybe that is a feature (the front screw) of only the Diana DIT on the Diana marked actions/receivers. One other difference I noted is the bolt "handle/knob" is shaped differently and has NO orings for grip, it is simply contoured a bit for a better purchase. Re the trigger, WHAT specific function does that front adjustment (in the trigger bow itself) screw have on the Diana DIT trigger? In spite of deleting that front screw, the Artemis trigger has a very nice break after adjustment of the "rear" (only) screw. I know YOUR triggers are probably in a class by themselves due to the work you have done on them. However, I would say both the Diana Airbug/Chaser, and the Artemis CP2 triggers are not that bad, and entirely "shootable" with some basic adjustment. Out-of-the-box though, not so much....
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Hmm, I have a Diana bandit and an Artemis pp800. Now I think about it, I think I recall some difference in the trigger blade as well. Possibly the absence of a front screw on the Artemis? Never thought much of it. I put an over travel stop screw on the back side of my trigger guard on the factory wood grip (from diana bandit). Very much like the prod or 1701s have.
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the trigger in reality is a single stage trigger and the front trigger screw sets the trigger by pushing the sear and as the sear is pushed it make the connection from the hammer face and the sear end and then the rear screw would trip the sear
but in reality, the rear screw would never touch the sear as from the factory
so all the pats are there but not the right ones
i am unaware that the CP2 doesn't have the front screw because i have posted a lot on the UK forum and no one has said that
i have been using grub screws that have a spring loaded bearing ball on the tip and most are 8mm or 10mm grub screws
the front screw does most of the work in setting the sear and the rear just trips it
but in reality, the rear screw would never touch the sear as from the factory
so all the pats are there but not the right ones
i am unaware that the CP2 doesn't have the front screw because i have posted a lot on the UK forum and no one has said that
i have been using grub screws that have a spring loaded bearing ball on the tip and most are 8mm or 10mm grub screws
the front screw does most of the work in setting the sear and the rear just trips it
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Interesting! I just looked at two recently purchased CP2 rifle/pistol kits, and there definitely is NO adjustment screw in the face of the trigger bow, and NO SLOT in the trigger guard (for adjustment of that non-existent "front" screw) as well. Both features of which are THERE on the Diana Airbug or Chaser. The Diana trigger is referred to the "DIT" or Diana Improved Trigger. Not sure why this is (apparently) not being utilized in the Artemis CP2? I do have to say the trigger in the Artemis breaks very nicely though, at least in the two aforementioned specimens I had a chance to try...
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i did look and a video shows no front screw and i have no idea if it is new but it is very stupid
could the trigger be drilled and tapped for a front screw easy, should it be if missing 100% YES
it is just a m3 screw use a 2mm to start move to a 2.5mm drill and just tap it the trigger guard could be drilled but the trigger can be setup with the grip frame off the gun so you can watch what is going on instead of guessing
could the trigger be drilled and tapped for a front screw easy, should it be if missing 100% YES
it is just a m3 screw use a 2mm to start move to a 2.5mm drill and just tap it the trigger guard could be drilled but the trigger can be setup with the grip frame off the gun so you can watch what is going on instead of guessing
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Good idea Mf777. The only thing I can think of is the Artemis does NOT use the Diana DIT trigger for some reason. If Diana sold more parts, the trigger shoe/bow for the DIT could be had, and installed in the CP2. No drilling/tapping required. As I indicated earlier though, the Artemis trigger is really not that bad in terms of it's "break" quality. But things can always be improved a bit. Drilling/tapping the Artemis trigger shoe would be just a bit tricky, a good drill press and vice would be a necessity, and a Diana DIT trigger example (like one from an AirBug pistol) would be nice to have on hand in order to accurately duplicate the hole position/angle for that screw.
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yes you would have to know the angle of the hole but the trigger would soft compared to lets say the sear which is rock hard
i can supply all that
and yes the parts situation for the pistols is a joke
the reason the front screw is important is it sets the sear and is always in contact and then the trigger movement and the back screw trips the sear
with one screw the rear does both jobs and being positioned what 20mm farther back you lose leverage
now all these are the fine points of the trigger and that is what a trigger assembly is about, the fine point
and i believe the DIT trigger is no more than a sales gimmick it is the same as they were 4 years ago and they had no DIT anywhere in the write ups
i can supply all that
and yes the parts situation for the pistols is a joke
the reason the front screw is important is it sets the sear and is always in contact and then the trigger movement and the back screw trips the sear
with one screw the rear does both jobs and being positioned what 20mm farther back you lose leverage
now all these are the fine points of the trigger and that is what a trigger assembly is about, the fine point
and i believe the DIT trigger is no more than a sales gimmick it is the same as they were 4 years ago and they had no DIT anywhere in the write ups
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the Diana Bandit, Chaser and Airbug have the same trigger group
all the breeches would interchange, the Stormrider breech is the same as to bolting on and the Trailscout
Seneca Dragonfly breech would fit they are all Snowpeak
all the breeches would interchange, the Stormrider breech is the same as to bolting on and the Trailscout
Seneca Dragonfly breech would fit they are all Snowpeak
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Mf777-- The DIT moniker probably IS a sales gimmick, but at least the {front) trigger adjust screw is THERE in the Diana DIT's, while it's deleted on the Artemis CP2 for some reason. Now, it might be a gimmick, but I would rather have it on there from the get-go (as on the Diana DIT), then have to ADD it by drilling/tapping the Artemis trigger shoe. Diana seems to be quite proud of the DIT
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i was looking around at chaser pictures and found something interesting
they have changed the triggers in the Chaser and that means the CP2 also
so you might get old stock and or new stock and the trigger will be different
this picture is from Pyramyd Air ----------------bottom
and one from Airgun Depot --------top
they have changed the triggers in the Chaser and that means the CP2 also
so you might get old stock and or new stock and the trigger will be different
this picture is from Pyramyd Air ----------------bottom
and one from Airgun Depot --------top
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Well dang, THAT could be the answer then... Older Chaser or CP2 stock, front screw is present. NEW Chaser or CP2 stock, NO screw! Or, put another way--YOU now get screwed! Mine (the Chaser) must be older stock, and definitely HAS the front screw. I purchased it from Midway USA not that long ago. Interesting stuff.....
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so, they changed the trigger and now the adjustment screw is hidden and cannot be reached without taking the trigger guard off and i bet that screw is so short it would do nothing
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well i would have to see if the trigger has the same shape as the first variant
a piece of material could be epoxied on that part of the trigger to set the sear if the same
the adjustment screws are 3mm and the screw for the safety is 4mm so something in the 3 to 4mm range
i guess this has been answered
mike in Washington
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well i would have to see if the trigger has the same shape as the first variant
a piece of material could be epoxied on that part of the trigger to set the sear if the same
the adjustment screws are 3mm and the screw for the safety is 4mm so something in the 3 to 4mm range
i guess this has been answered
mike in Washington
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Just another data point to consider---my Chaser was born 2022-10-14 according to the box label. It DOES have the front trigger face screw, and the box is labeled with "Diana DIT trigger".
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it is interesting that you bring that up again
that is what i was looking for yesterday and could not find that wording
"Diana DIT trigger".
. never thought of looking on the box
well, the bottom line is it a shame they changed it
that is what i was looking for yesterday and could not find that wording
"Diana DIT trigger".
. never thought of looking on the box
well, the bottom line is it a shame they changed it
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I see yours was born on 2018-05-12, about 4.5 years earlier than mine (2022-10-14). So we know the Chasers made to near the end of CY2022 still had the DIT. Can anyone opine as to when the change was made (eliminate the trigger adjust screw in the "bow")? What is the latest Chaser "born on" date, at least from the members here, that still HAS the DIT trigger? I'll check back with my friends that have the Artemis CP2's (their pistols DO NOT have the front trigger screw) and see if there is a "born date" on the Artemis boxes. And I wonder if this change carries over to the Diana Airbug and Bandit pistols as well? Just a curiosity is all, I guess this is pretty insignificant in the scheme of things.....
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