Just asking this question because I see a ton of post from people having issues. I realize people like to tinker but have often wondered if it's really necessary? I have friends that constantly mess with their rifles even when they shoot good. I think in some ways it could be a psychological thing. Often overlooked is simply cleaning a barrel, instead they tweak on every adjustment possible until the gun shoots worse. Lol
Does anyone have an Airgun they haven't tuned?
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I have 3 that I have never touched, not even the trigger adjustment.
.22 Brocock Contour 15 fpe
.22 Daysate Regal XL 30 fpe
.177 HW100 BP-K 17 fpe
I have never been one to tinker with guns. If I need a gun to shoot at a certain fpe, I buy a gun that shoots at that fpe and leave it.
.22 Brocock Contour 15 fpe
.22 Daysate Regal XL 30 fpe
.177 HW100 BP-K 17 fpe
I have never been one to tinker with guns. If I need a gun to shoot at a certain fpe, I buy a gun that shoots at that fpe and leave it.
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MOST OF mine shoot perfect straight out of their boxes or factory cases. I never tinker with any gun that already shoots perfect. I'm probably not smarter than their factories when it comes to engineering and don't like voiding warranties or wasting money on unnecessary parts just buy another gun that suits the purpose better.
Not powerful enough I grab my 30 RAW HM1000x too heavy then grab my 25 Sumatra 500cc or 30 FX Bobcat or 303 Daystate Renegade HP still not enough power then my Benjamin Bulldog 357 or Career 9mm 357 or 45 Evanix or 50 Quackenbush. Many other high power options too.
Not powerful enough I grab my 30 RAW HM1000x too heavy then grab my 25 Sumatra 500cc or 30 FX Bobcat or 303 Daystate Renegade HP still not enough power then my Benjamin Bulldog 357 or Career 9mm 357 or 45 Evanix or 50 Quackenbush. Many other high power options too.
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Both of my Brococks, other than the trigger. Straight out the box good shooters...so both tuned as from factory.
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Not opposed to tinkering, we all enjoy the hobby on our own way. Have had a couple with all the external adjustability you could ask for. They were good rifles, but I didn't particularly enjoy the tuning & testing required to set up for multiple or specialty projectiles. Kinda like cea1960, would rather purchase a rifle for the purpose than purchase a rifle & make it fit the purpose.
Have had three of the Daystate Huntsman series guns, & never did any tuning.
Have had three of the Daystate Huntsman series guns, & never did any tuning.
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I have 4 out of 6 That I just shoot. I have adjusted 2 of the triggers. One trigger is still a little light.
Air Arms S400
Daystate Huntsman Regal
Daystate Wolverine
Crosman 1701
Crosman 1720 oops I lied I did have a leak at the fill assembly.
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Air Arms S400
Daystate Huntsman Regal
Daystate Wolverine
Crosman 1701
Crosman 1720 oops I lied I did have a leak at the fill assembly.
pRod
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I own two that haven't required much tinkering and tuning.
#1 Taipan Vet Shorty in .22, Ukraine vintage. I've never been in the tube or trigger adjustments, and only recently got to the point of taking the shroud off. And that's in almost 3 years. I've turned the hammer tension adjust but nothing else. I've never even seen the hammer spring. I had it for over two years before even taking the action out of the stock (finally got around to installing a pic rail so took it out for that).
#2 MAC1 USFT (Hunter variety but with field target attachments). I've also never been in the tube or needed to do any trigger adjustments. This one might be going on 4 years? The only thing it has had done to it were minor adjustments to the transfer port strangle, and hammer tension (and both were less than 1/2 full revolution). So pretty minor.
These two also happen to be the best shooters that I've owned. When one shoots well or at the desired power level, I won't go hunting problems.
Do agree with you that sometimes excessive tinkering only induces problems that weren't there before.
I also think that many airguns come with problems that shouldn't be there, for the price that we're paying. I'm betting powderburner purchasers don't experience a 10th of the out-of-the-box functionality issues (leaks, crappy accuracy, raunchy triggers, etc) that we deal with in this hobby.
#1 Taipan Vet Shorty in .22, Ukraine vintage. I've never been in the tube or trigger adjustments, and only recently got to the point of taking the shroud off. And that's in almost 3 years. I've turned the hammer tension adjust but nothing else. I've never even seen the hammer spring. I had it for over two years before even taking the action out of the stock (finally got around to installing a pic rail so took it out for that).
#2 MAC1 USFT (Hunter variety but with field target attachments). I've also never been in the tube or needed to do any trigger adjustments. This one might be going on 4 years? The only thing it has had done to it were minor adjustments to the transfer port strangle, and hammer tension (and both were less than 1/2 full revolution). So pretty minor.
These two also happen to be the best shooters that I've owned. When one shoots well or at the desired power level, I won't go hunting problems.
Do agree with you that sometimes excessive tinkering only induces problems that weren't there before.
I also think that many airguns come with problems that shouldn't be there, for the price that we're paying. I'm betting powderburner purchasers don't experience a 10th of the out-of-the-box functionality issues (leaks, crappy accuracy, raunchy triggers, etc) that we deal with in this hobby.
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Airgun manufacturers really do have a good incentive to deliver well-tuned guns right out of the box. High-performing guns makes their customers happy, and ultimately lead to more business for them. I've noticed that in many of the tuning videos on YT, the person tuning it will often detune the gun, only to end up retuning back to where it pretty much was to begin with from the manufacturer. It's good info their putting out, don't get me wrong, but I think you may see my point.
However, tuning can certainly play an important role when changing or upgrading critical components. So I'd say it can be quite necessary in that sort of scenario, but usually not necessary for stock guns.
However, tuning can certainly play an important role when changing or upgrading critical components. So I'd say it can be quite necessary in that sort of scenario, but usually not necessary for stock guns.
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Honestly.... No, haha. I do have one rifle currently I just set my bar too high on, and it's basically been reduced to scrap as a result. I'll resurrect it at some point, but when all of your uns are up to a certain standard (which is kind of amazing they're all that good).... Well, you expect the next one to be.
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I think in the end it comes down to do you want tit custom....the BMW M3 is more care than most people can handle and know how to drive, but there are those who see it as a starting line. From the starting line you move forward with your customizations, tunings, parts changes, and move from there. I would say a majority of BMW M3 owners leave their cars stock /OEM, but then there are a significant enough percentage, tweak, tune, mod, and etc to make a new and personalized machine.
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My 2 Crickets have been tuned by GA Airguns. They both shoot exceptionally well after the tune. What I do not know is how the shot prior to the tune. All in all, I think the tune probably improved things a bit.
There are also some functional tinkering, like the modified side plate. They are wonderful guns, but Kalibrgun refuses to integrate such a simple fix to the system while citing safety concerns. I also removed the shroud on the Mini because it’s tensioned & was causing POI shifts with changes in temp throughout the day.
Then there’s aesthetics. Had to cover up the barrels and make them look nice by dressing it in CF. Had to hush it down by adding a DonnyFL Tanto or Koi.
There are also some functional tinkering, like the modified side plate. They are wonderful guns, but Kalibrgun refuses to integrate such a simple fix to the system while citing safety concerns. I also removed the shroud on the Mini because it’s tensioned & was causing POI shifts with changes in temp throughout the day.
Then there’s aesthetics. Had to cover up the barrels and make them look nice by dressing it in CF. Had to hush it down by adding a DonnyFL Tanto or Koi.
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FX Royale 400. Never even cleaned the barrel. Only reason I had the action out of the stock was to install a front pic rail. Even the HST is still untouched from the factory. No need to mess with perfection.
My Streamline was like that for a long time then I decided to tweak it a little. Had to take the barrel off a couple times cause I double loaded and jammed it up. Didn't want to break anything by forcing it.
My Streamline was like that for a long time then I decided to tweak it a little. Had to take the barrel off a couple times cause I double loaded and jammed it up. Didn't want to break anything by forcing it.
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I can't imagine those that tune by adjusting a regulator's set point having to dump all the air in the tank and their only air source is a hand pump. Not fun. Tuning for high power with a low shot count is fine. Just make sure you have a lot of air. Tuning for low power (12fpe and below) takes a lot of pellets and time. It can get tiring.
The two airguns I haven't touched;
- Daystate Huntsman Regal XL, non-regulated.
- Brocock Contour S6 Elite.
The two airguns I haven't touched;
- Daystate Huntsman Regal XL, non-regulated.
- Brocock Contour S6 Elite.
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I don't usually don't tune my springers but everything else is fair game. ;^) Find the ammo they shoot best and tune the gun for that specific projectile. That way I get some tiny groups.
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.177 Wildcat MKI (all original, even the old ST barrel). It's been YEARS and LOTS of pellets. Reg has never once let me down, never had to touch the hammer spring (it doesn't walk like so many do). Now my .22 MKII is a different story as are so many other I've had....
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Audi S5, second week got a chip tune, now after tree years I am down to the very bottom of a money pit, my family is scared to sit behind a steering wheel. Time for a new car
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On one of my work benches is a Remington 700 22-250 in pieces under junk. I think its still all there. Its been three years since I left it there. I didnt have all the stuff I wanted to bed the stock. I ordered it, and its in there some where to, but I lost interest before it all came in. I have other 22-250 that shoot good so I never was hard pressed for a calling gun. Its too easy for me to leave half finished projects. So I never started tinkering with air guns.
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Daystate CRX was the FIRST rifle to EARN the reputation of "Out Of The Box" ready to go. I own 2 of them. One is Allen Zasdney made curley maple. The other is Dave Mattics titanium reservoir and airstripper. The barrels are one hole accuracy. Triggers are perfect. The previous model CR94 was it's peer with a different trigger that also was good.
Buy one if ya get a chance. The new stuff is nice BUT Daystate CRX and CR94 deliver the goods just as well as current offerings.
Buy one if ya get a chance. The new stuff is nice BUT Daystate CRX and CR94 deliver the goods just as well as current offerings.
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