Does the Webley pack enough punch?

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I found myself wondering just how well-armed I would be encountering a good-sized Western diamondback with nothing but the Webley CO2 pellet revolver. I got a few answers. With a fresh CO2 powerlet, both the wadcutter and the domed hollowpoints easily passed through six layers of common cardboard.



They also passed with ease through a piece of Georgia Pacific wall paneling approximately 3/16s inch thick:

 
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You require more power.
These Co2 lookalikes are superbly done, inspiring a sense of pride of ownership, but due to the gaps at the revolving interfaces of cartridges and barrels, or revolving mags and barrels in similar models, their velocity suffers. At best 350-400 fps (2.2 to 2.75 ftlbs) but you need to remember the velocity drop off, lost getting to the target. Probably down at barely 300 fps (2ftlbs) at point of arrival.

For any small pests, i work on 500 fps minimum as a realistic proposition, losing maybe 30-40 fps across the first 10 yards and delivering a good 460 fps (4ftlbs with an 8 grain Dome pellet at point of impact.
 
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Welcome to Texas, Bill.(y)

The largest rattlesnake I've killed was with a .22 Crosman 38C Co2 revolver shooting 14.3 grain pellets about 350 FPS. The Western Diamondback taken in the south Texas brush country (Webb County) was 6' long, thick as my fore-arm, and delicious!

Though I suspect your .177 Co2 revolver makes only 1/2 to 2/3 the muzzle energy of the .22 Crosman 38C, I'm pretty sure it has enough penetration to punch into the brain cavity of even a large rattler from point-blank range.

BTW, I attended the Rattlesnake Round-up in the early 1970s. Back then it included a shooting competition with law-enforcement and civilian classes where we actually shot live rattlers! Only head-shots counted, and all shooting was done one-handedly. DPS troopers were the most dominant LE department; those boys can shoot!

I've had three or four encounters with DPS troopers and found them to also be men of integrity, common-sense, and good humor... that respond well to same. Suffice to say treating them with respect while also being honest and reasonable has kept me out of the pokey more than once! 😰
 
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Steve, I would not anticipate engaging a rattlesnake beyond 10 feet at the most, so velocity loss should not be a significant factor I would think. Possible scenarios: puddle of snake in a corner of the garage, on the patio under the Traeger, in the raised bed under the cucumber ...
I moved here from Alamogordo, where an elderly neighbor was bitten just a block away while cleaning up around his tomatoes. This was right in town, south of the space museum. Then there was this jazbo who snuck in while we were opening up the county shooting range out in La Luz. I just happened to notice him under the office bench. Only about 18-20 inches, but he made up for his lack of stature with attitude.
AirNGasman, what I want to know is who held the snakes while you boys shot at the heads?? 😄

 
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I did some interesting tests a while back trying to replicate hide penetration.
It was very basic, but proved surprising the resistance offered by the tough outer skin of even small critters, when compared to the inner muscle tissue…Lets say a block of ballistic putty replicating the inner muscle tissues is often a given comparison, but in reality much more easily penetrated than outer skin, or hide which also gives a bit to damp some of the penetration.
I am not certain of the anatomical strength of the snakes skull/ skin, but I wouldn't risk it being my best advice….but interesting question.
Perhaps you could take one down with a Crosman 1377 and then check the effects of your Webley at a typical distance on a safe target.
 
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Steve, I will say this about rattlesnakes I have dispatched in places where the official policy was to terminate rather than relocate: The Speer/CCI .38/.357 and .44 Special/.44 Magnum shot-capsule snake loads contain what I believe is No. 9 shot. The CCI .22 LR snake load contains what I believe to be No. 12 shot. A snake shot with the larger caliber capsules becomes a writhing mass of damaged fury. One shot in the noggin with the .22 LR No. 12 -- almost dust-- and the snake does not even quiver. I am pretty confident that a .177 pellet, even at 350, will turn off the lights if properly placed at reasonably close range.
Mick, the challenge here is dispatching a snake in a neighborhood within city limits. A .410 is kinda out of the question.
 
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I would agree with Ron (and also on the delicious) and if needed would use it.
However perhaps you are in a situation where you want to grab something but should not use a firearm. The correct answer is : (ask enough and another airgunner will back me up) you "need" another airgun.
You would need to call on the phone (and please not on a Sunday) but Dennis list his garden pistol in stock.
https://www.quackenbushairguns.com/currently_available.htm

John
 
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Maybe i have underestimated the abilities of the sub 400 fps guns a little here…..Which is positive news for me.
I take occasional rats with a modified LP53 doing approx 525 fps and have had to deal with few critics for doing so....
I also have zero hunting knowledge of your snakes …so ill bow to your better experience here.
More one of concern if the beast gets to biting you if not cold cocked…
 
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@Billinoregon Wouldn't you want more power? I would not advise shooting anything alive with a Co2 pistol unless it was a Crosman 2240. Those have some wallop and are not too expensive.

www.crosman.com

Crosman® 2240 CO2 Bolt Action Air Pistol (.22 caliber) - Crosman.com

The Crosman 2240 CO2 Bolt Action Air Pistol is great for target and plinking or small pests. Ergonomically designed ambidextrous grip fits the hand for perfect balance and comfort. Get yours today.
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Or perhaps something like this?

maxarmory.com

Zoraki HP 01-2 Ultra .22 Cal Black - Multi-Pump Pneumatic Air Pistol - Default Title - MaxArmory

Our Zoraki HP1 Ultra Multi-Pump Pneumatic Air Pistol is built for extreme accuracy and power. This is the last air pistol you will ever need. Fully a adjustable trigger and sights allow simple, accurate, and safe operation
maxarmory.com maxarmory.com

Snakes seem dangerous, please be careful!
 
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Billinoregon said:
Just got around to looking at that Zoracki multipump. Interesting platform. Anyone have or use one?
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Here you go!

N/A - Zoraki HP 01-2 Ultra .22 Cal Black - Multi-Pump Pneumatic Air Pistol- Any problems/ negatives with this pistol ?

Most reviews claim this is a great multi pump air pistol { this is the more powerful version with longer barrel and ability to safely do 4 pumps } . Im curious if owners on this forum have had any problems with theirs and if there are things you dislike about the pistol in stock format. $320...
www.airgunnation.com www.airgunnation.com
 
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about the snake
i would think you would be close enough to kill the snake and a shovel would do the same
the Webley Alecto was the hottest pistol out there for a few years
it was new and had what everyone wanted but it was not made by Webley it is and was made by Zoraki in Turkey and was called the HP-01 and now the updated version is the HP-01-02 it has some changes one being an extra trigger adjustment hole at the rear through the grip
they came in two barrel lengths, which at the time we called the short barrel and the factory name for the long barrel being the Ultra
so the short barrel was a 3 pump and the Ultra a 4 pump pistol, now any owner will tell you the third and forth pump were a work out and most of used 2 pumps and were happy campers
now Webley stopped putting their name on them and they disappeared in the states and then they would came back with some other name and disappear and again and disappear
i do believe someone is selling them in the states and that is-was Maxarmory and i said was because they have no stock
now i believe those who had them or still do will normally sing their praises i thought they were a great pistol but i see very few on the secondary market that are priced to buy
now the pistol is complicated with all of it's seals vs Orings but as a pistol i give it two thumbs up and yes i have more than a few
 
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I cannot count the coons i have put down with the Webley Tempest , i think around 400 FPS .177 . no problem , head shot they roll over and the feet dance and i walk up and put a final 2nd. shot
EDIT: as always it is shot placement with a lower powered pellet .
Stan in KY
 
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