does this exist? an adjustable scope level that does not mount to the tube?

[starlingassn]

ok,i have a dilemma i had not accounted for.

ive always ran scope tube mounted levels to be able to adjust the level to the crosshairs after aligning the crosshairs with the bore.

im putting a new compact scope on my notos,
but there will be no room left on the tube for a level as the rings take up all but a few millimeters of availabe scope tube real estate.

does anyone make an adjustable level that will mount somewhere else?

i have an old rail mounted level,
but its not adjustable.

i thought about trying to find a magnification throw lever that would fit the ocular housing and mount a level on that,
but figured id ask first lol

 

[iAMzehTOASTY1]

Ooo I want to know too lol I add on bubble levels with mounting tape when leveling

 

[Scotty1]

I have a couple rail mounted levels, one is a very nice billet level. These are not even close on any gun I’ve tried them on, so it’s either file to fit, or shim in some fashion. Scope mounted levels are best for me. There is this option, if it’s available for your mounts.

 

[Lobi]

What am I missing? Serious question.
I don't have a level on any of my scoped guns.

 

[starlingassn]

I have a couple rail mounted levels, one is a very nice billet level. These are not even close on any gun I’ve tried them on, so it’s either file to fit, or shim in some fashion. Scope mounted levels are best for me. There is this option, if it’s available for your mounts. View attachment 332528View attachment 332529

those look like the utg accusync,
i have the one piece utg accusync mount coming.

does not look to be adjustable though,
as its position looks fixed but the level can swing out.

i need to be able to rotate it to align to the crosshairs.

 

[Smitty911]

What am I missing? Serious question.
I don't have a level on any of my scoped guns.

Lobi,
Levels are for ensuring that you haven't canted/leaned the rifle to either side. If you do, the further out you are shooting the further off the POI and POA will be.

Smitty

 

[starlingassn]

What am I missing? Serious question.
I don't have a level on any of my scoped guns.

smaller groups,more consistency,less left and right misses at longer ranges,etc....

 

[Scotty1]

those look like the utg accusync,
i have the one piece utg accusync mount coming.

does not look to be adjustable though,
as its position looks fixed but the level can swing out.

i need to be able to rotate it to align to the crosshairs.

There is some adjustment, by way of favoring one side or the other when mounting this strap. There is still some clearance when tightened, so that gap is potential adjustment. Poorly worded, but I think you’ll get what I’m saying.

 

[starlingassn]

There is some adjustment, by way of favoring one side or the other when mounting this strap. There is still some clearance when tightened, so that gap is potential adjustment. Poorly worded, but I think you’ll get what I’m saying. View attachment 332545View attachment 332546

oh yes,i understand now.

hmmm

 

[Ranchibi]

This one is on the left side of the picatinny rail. They also make one that fits on a picatinny rail whose bubble is centered, you would mount it on the very back of your rail.

 

[starlingassn]

View attachment 332548
This one is on the left side of the picatinny rail. They also make one that fits on a picatinny rail whose bubble is centered, you would mount it on the very back of your rail.

unless im seeing it wrong there would be no adjustment available.

i need the ability to align the level to the crosshairs after i align the crosshairs to the bore.

i may be looking for a unicorn lol

 

[beerthief]

what post #6 said "Levels are for ensuring that you haven't canted/leaned the rifle to either side. If you do, the further out you are shooting the further off the POI and POA will be."

first level the rifle left and right (so it is perfectly vertical) then use level to make sure gun is level when you mount the scope cross hairs vertical , now aim into a mirror that has a plumb line hanging in front of it , scope cross hair and center of Bore should all line up on the string on the mirror . and the bubble level should read centered

 

[Ranchibi]

unless im seeing it wrong there would be no adjustment available.

i need the ability to align the level to the crosshairs after i align the crosshairs to the bore.

i may be looking for a unicorn lol

Mine is not adjustable like you see but there are ones that swing out...you may have to shim whatever one you get if need be. They are not too costly, mine was like 10 bucks.

 

[Lobi]

I totally get that the scope is above the bore and that tilting would affect the point of impact. Looking thru my scope shows me the horizontal crosshair. Assuming my scope mounting job was well done it seems like if my crosshair looks level that should be mighty close.
Maybe that's why I'm not shooting one hole groups. It just kinda feels like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. These are just my thoughts and I honestly don't intend to ruffle any feathers. I suppose I'm just content at my current level of accuracy. Maybe i should give it a go.

 

[beerthief]

unless im seeing it wrong there would be no adjustment available.

i need the ability to align the level to the crosshairs after i align the crosshairs to the bore.

i may be looking for a unicorn lol

you level the rifle first then set the cross hair to vertical using the level to keep the gun level IE: no cant .

 

[starlingassn]

what post #6 said "Levels are for ensuring that you haven't canted/leaned the rifle to either side. If you do, the further out you are shooting the further off the POI and POA will be."

first level the rifle left and right (so it is perfectly vertical) then use level to make sure gun is level when you mount the scope cross hairs vertical , now aim into a mirror that has a plumb line hanging in front of it , scope cross hair and center of Bore should all line up on the string on the mirror . and the bubble level should read centered

ive been using the mirror to align my crosshairs to the bore for years and years lol

and i think people have probably got sick of me suggesting it haha

 

[starlingassn]

you level the rifle first then set the cross hair to vertical using the level to keep the gun level IE: no cant .

i think its best to forget about leveling the rifle,
and first focus on having the vertical crosshair perfectly centered on the bore (using the mirror)

then when this is done i will use a plum to set the crosshair to vertical,
and adjust my level to read level.

the problem is,
once the scope is aligned to the bore,
there is no guarantee that the gun will be level when the crosshairs are level,
hence the need for some adjustment.

maybe i should just design an adjustable rail mounted level lol

 

[bigHUN]

The bubble must be adjustable or loosing the purpose

 

[DonC]

I bought a swing out rail mounted from Bass Pro. I shim it with a homemade "tapered washer". I made the washer from hard wood and sanded the taper until the bubble was set correctly. I used the eraser end of a pencil to Grip the little washer while I was sanding the taper.

 

[nervoustrig]

Starlingassn and bigHUN are on point with this subject.

When installing a scope, leveling against exterior features of the gun and/or scope do not ensure proper alignment of the thing that matters, which is the relationship between the reticle and bore.

Consequently, mounting a level to a scope rail has no guarantee of indicating when the gun is being held with the scope aligned to the force of gravity. Some means of fine tuning the spirit level is essential.