THIS. Look at a Taipans consistency right out the box, single reg, unchanged for years, and itll have as good or a tighter es as an impact with 2 regs out of the box.
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Dual Regulators a fad or here to stay?
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THIS. Look at a Taipans consistency right out the box, single reg, unchanged for years, and itll have as good or a tighter es as an impact with 2 regs out of the box.
Yeah I think thats the ticket. If FX releases a model with a 300Bar bottle, and dual regs with a higher operating range for slugs; we will continue to see more dual setups.
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When I was researching regulated airguns I noticed many of them had reg creep. Even more with higher fill pressures. Taking 4500 psi to 1000 psi seemed like a big task for 1 reg.
It just made sense. So my first regulated rifle was a Maverick with 2 regs. There is only 2 adjustments on the Maverick reg pressure and hammer spring. If you can add 20-30 bar to your second reg pressures for the first reg the rest is just HS adjustment . I also liked the weight, the compact is 6.5 lbs . And 3 fps SD spread for being in the game for 3 weeks now is a bit rewarding.
It just made sense. So my first regulated rifle was a Maverick with 2 regs. There is only 2 adjustments on the Maverick reg pressure and hammer spring. If you can add 20-30 bar to your second reg pressures for the first reg the rest is just HS adjustment . I also liked the weight, the compact is 6.5 lbs . And 3 fps SD spread for being in the game for 3 weeks now is a bit rewarding.
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Not sure. Was just pointing out cause and effect. Maybe with larger reg it seats better because more surface area against the piston? I’m not saying I know the answer, was just saying I don’t see this reg problems with Eastern European guns. Your guess as s as good as mine….
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Very true, every gun is made differently. If the TP is part of speed/power "regulation" then the regulator fluctuation won't show up at all which at time get mistaken for xxx regulator never creeps. While using TP to regulate power is more consistent but comes at the price of being less efficient or dumping more air than needed then let TP to regulate peak power plus no way to increase max power without increasing TP. It certainly isn't "necessary" but for guns with bigger TP dual reg setup helps a lot.
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I'm just an outside observer in this race, not owning or wanting a double reg gun...or an impact...
When I first saw the double reg announced it seemed to be as an analog response to Daystate's electronic valve. I've really been wondering who is going to be the competition in the electronic valve arena.
When I first saw the double reg announced it seemed to be as an analog response to Daystate's electronic valve. I've really been wondering who is going to be the competition in the electronic valve arena.
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carabinas reguladas electrónicamente, que supuestamente son increíblemente consistentes, algunos de nosotros les hemos puesto un regulador mecánico para que funcionen mejor
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There will always be cases of bad regs, or regs with creep. But If airgunners claimed 3-4 years ago it was best to not fill the gun beyond 200 bar for reg consistency, no matter what brand, that should still be true today. Do not think regs have changed that much recently. With a dual reg system, you do not have to worry about filling the gun to full bottle pressure for consistency, or wear over prolonged time.
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I have a 22 cal b-rod that I've thought about putting a huma reg in the tube. Haven't quite gotten there yet.
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Competive paint ball gunstypically fire with well under 100psi (under 7 bar). Generally, two or three regs are used ton get 4500psi down to well contriolled sub 300 fps, but its apples and oranges compared to pcp pelletguns.
Of course I get by fine with my FT guns with NO reg, so though I do have some shorter guns with regs, I feel two regs is akin to wearing a belt and suspenders.
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Well I sure as heck saw it in my Sapsan, happened after about 500 or so pellets, fill it up then every shot was 10fps faster than the last, fill up again and rinse and repeat. Shipped it to Joe B. back when Putin invaded Ukraine, haven't seen it since. Got yelled at for asking about it.
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When I was playing with my Maverick shooting slugs I utilized the first reg for a while. Then on the wife’s Maverick and my Compact Maverick I just set the first reg up @ 200 bar. Both remaining Mavericks the second reg is at 102 for the 22 and 106 for the 25.
Basically, the first reg is doing very little.
My M3 I have not finished tinkering with it but believe I could just open the first reg all the way and use only the second or vice versa. I am shooting it at just a shade under 150 bar and I don’t believe the 100 bar differential is asking too much of a regulator.
My Crown MKII uses only 1 and I am shooting it right at 150 bar. If you are using 140+ bar to launch your projectiles I don’t see much use in a 2 reg set up.
Maybe the second reg could be used as an onboard spare.
Basically, the first reg is doing very little.
My M3 I have not finished tinkering with it but believe I could just open the first reg all the way and use only the second or vice versa. I am shooting it at just a shade under 150 bar and I don’t believe the 100 bar differential is asking too much of a regulator.
My Crown MKII uses only 1 and I am shooting it right at 150 bar. If you are using 140+ bar to launch your projectiles I don’t see much use in a 2 reg set up.
Maybe the second reg could be used as an onboard spare.
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I don't see how dual regs makes tuning more complicated????
Just set the first reg higher than the second. As far as my understanding it will affect fill time between shots but other than that it doesn't really matter.
Less pressure on the 2nd reg? Sure. Does it matter? Maybe. Setting that first reg is the easiest part of tuning and doesn't really affect your actual shot tune.
Just set the first reg higher than the second. As far as my understanding it will affect fill time between shots but other than that it doesn't really matter.
Less pressure on the 2nd reg? Sure. Does it matter? Maybe. Setting that first reg is the easiest part of tuning and doesn't really affect your actual shot tune.
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Agree not complicated, and for the fill time I've drilled the wholes in both reg pistons to 0.5mm and it fill as fast as I repeat in hunting situations
With both reg polished the pressure is super stable and my M3's keep the tune, and I can go more hunting, both my M3's are with 300 bar bottles which causes no problems at all
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I have a 300 bar bottle on my Maverick without problem too.Agree not complicated, and for the fill time I've drilled the wholes in both reg pistons to 0.5mm and it fill as fast as I repeat in hunting situations
With both reg polished the pressure is super stable and my M3's keep the tune, and I can go more hunting, both my M3's are with 300 bar bottles which causes no problems at all
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I don’t know what a Sapsan is, I thought it was the Russian bullet train…. I mentioned AGT, Cricket, and Taipan, all three are known for their top of the line regulators. Any others like the Peregrine Falcon I have no idea of their build quality.
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As I see it, it is a nice feature. As long as there is no downside of having two regs, like occupying space for less main reservoir, it is a plus.
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Zaroia Sapsan, made in Ukraine, the company was/is a large producer of air guns, the thing was accurate as heck
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