Dual sighting system for close range backyard pesting

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I vaguely remember reading about this and came up with my own sighting “system”

I stalk squirrel at varying distances in my small yard, at 8-25 yards. At this close range POI is very sensitive and I was having trouble hitting the exact spot I wanted

So what I did was put a laser under the barrel. Coupled with the optic on top, everything zeros at a set distance ie 15yards. Anything closer will show the laser below cross hairs, anything further will show laser above. Using this system I basically have a “kill zone” and since pretty much have my POI always between the two indicators.

I tested today and works great! No need to estimate range or hold overs!

Any top optic will work but I highly recommend the lower green laser.

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@jt-outta-cali Was it my thread that you reference? https://www.airgunnation.com/threads/parallel-to-bore-laser-as-holdover-aid.1272008/
I'm running the laser on the side, parallel to the bore. It helps with hold over/under but moreover I shoot a lot of stuff in cage traps. The parallel to the bore helps in threading pellets through the wire regardless of range and matches pellet trajectory out to my sight in distance (17 yards).

You have a really nice setup. Love the Vixen with the OLight laser. In your system with the laser below the barrel, are you "bracketing" the target? i.e. centering the aimpoint between the laser and the crosshairs?
 
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@jt-outta-cali Was it my thread that you reference? https://www.airgunnation.com/threads/parallel-to-bore-laser-as-holdover-aid.1272008/
I'm running the laser on the side, parallel to the bore. It helps with hold over/under but moreover I shoot a lot of stuff in cage traps. The parallel to the bore helps in threading pellets through the wire regardless of range and matches pellet trajectory out to my sight in distance (17 yards).

You have a really nice setup. Love the Vixen with the OLight laser. In your system with the laser below the barrel, are you "bracketing" the target? i.e. centering the aimpoint between the laser and the crosshairs?
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Your system is way better than mine! Yes I em estimating the point in between
 
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The scope of my P35s is over 2.5 inches above the bore center line so I have to hold over out to about 25 yards. I have two problems with doing that. First is remembering. The second is determining how much. I shoot at every 5 yards from 10 to 33 (limit of my yard) and note how much the poi varies from the point of aim. Then I note how many mil dots it is at 6X, my normal hunting magnification. At 10 yards, I need to hold about 2 mil dots high, for instance. 15 is less than 1 and by 20 yards, it is just holding a little high on the targets body. Your system might help but for now, I'm practicing my system, usually on sparrows. Works a lot of the time but not every time.

Some scope mounts have weaver side and top attachment points. Might be a way to attach a laser but it wouldn't be lower than the scope. I like your way of aligning the short range device close to the bore center line. My P35s have no obvious way to do that. Might be able to bolt a picatiny to the stock I guess.
 
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@jt-outta-cali Was it my thread that you reference? https://www.airgunnation.com/threads/parallel-to-bore-laser-as-holdover-aid.1272008/
I'm running the laser on the side, parallel to the bore. It helps with hold over/under but moreover I shoot a lot of stuff in cage traps. The parallel to the bore helps in threading pellets through the wire regardless of range and matches pellet trajectory out to my sight in distance (17 yards).

You have a really nice setup. Love the Vixen with the OLight laser. In your system with the laser below the barrel, are you "bracketing" the target? i.e. centering the aimpoint between the laser and the crosshairs?
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Do you think the mount position is better for your application or do you like your system? Have you tried the bracketing idea yet? I designed and patented a system similar to these concepts. I'm in the process of trying to get it licensed for manufacture. New designs scare conventional companies. I think it's great to see many new ideas from everyone. thanks for the new reads.
 
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Do you think the mount position is better for your application or do you like your system? Have you tried the bracketing idea yet? I designed and patented a system similar to these concepts. I'm in the process of trying to get it licensed for manufacture. New designs scare conventional companies. I think it's great to see many new ideas from everyone. thanks for the new reads.
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I would not give up the laser parallel to bore. It has been effective on very close moving targets. There is a guy on here that shoots toads with two parallel to bore lasers. That is likely an improvement but I have not added a second unit.
 
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JimD said:
The scope of my P35s is over 2.5 inches above the bore center line so I have to hold over out to about 25 yards. I have two problems with doing that. First is remembering. The second is determining how much. I shoot at every 5 yards from 10 to 33 (limit of my yard) and note how much the poi varies from the point of aim. Then I note how many mil dots it is at 6X, my normal hunting magnification. At 10 yards, I need to hold about 2 mil dots high, for instance. 15 is less than 1 and by 20 yards, it is just holding a little high on the targets body. Your system might help but for now, I'm practicing my system, usually on sparrows. Works a lot of the time but not every time.

Some scope mounts have weaver side and top attachment points. Might be a way to attach a laser but it wouldn't be lower than the scope. I like your way of aligning the short range device close to the bore center line. My P35s have no obvious way to do that. Might be able to bolt a picatiny to the stock I guess.
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My scope and laser are about the same distance from my barrel, maybe half an inch difference, in real world makes no difference!
 
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Hal4son said:
I would not give up the laser parallel to bore. It has been effective on very close moving targets. There is a guy on here that shoots toads with two parallel to bore lasers. That is likely an improvement but I have not added a second unit.
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Ideally if we can get a laser that draws a horizontal line and one that draws a vertical line, if aligned to the bore it will draw up perfect cross
 
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Hal4son said:
I would not give up the laser parallel to bore. It has been effective on very close moving targets. There is a guy on here that shoots toads with two parallel to bore lasers. That is likely an improvement but I have not added a second unit.
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If you can remember the toad guy's contact info, ask if he would open contact me on this site. I would like to talk with him. I agree with you that I would not give up my sight. Generally speaking, most shooters don't realize the advantages you have when you can shoot accurately without looking down the barrel. I seldom use any of my rifles now and prefer my flat shooting pistols. I shoot hornets with my CO2 pistol while holding from my hip at 1-5 yards on the side of my brick house. An article I read said that a pound of grasshoppers has more nutrition than a pound of beef. I still wouldn't eat them, I don't know how I would clean them, but it would be fun to shoot a bunch. Remember, head shots only on grasshoppers.
 
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jt-outta-cali said:
Ideally if we can get a laser that draws a horizontal line and one that draws a vertical line, if aligned to the bore it will draw up perfect cross
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I have tried the laser line modules and I have gotten away from that concept due to the laser not being strong enough to see at the distances I shoot. I prefer to not have the laser cover up the impact point. My system never covers the impact point.
 
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jt-outta-cali said:
My scope and laser are about the same distance from my barrel, maybe half an inch difference, in real world makes no difference!
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I have refined my sight for precision targeting at close range and the sight has the ability to shoot flies from 1 yard to beyond 10 yards. I don't have those skill because I can't see flies that far. My equipment is better than I am. I have learned a lot from the good shooters from sites like this. Good talking to you guys.
 
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MRaccurate said:
If you can remember the toad guy's contact info, ask if he would open contact me on this site. I would like to talk with him. I agree with you that I would not give up my sight. Generally speaking, most shooters don't realize the advantages you have when you can shoot accurately without looking down the barrel. I seldom use any of my rifles now and prefer my flat shooting pistols. I shoot hornets with my CO2 pistol while holding from my hip at 1-5 yards on the side of my brick house. An article I read said that a pound of grasshoppers has more nutrition than a pound of beef. I still wouldn't eat them, I don't know how I would clean them, but it would be fun to shoot a bunch. Remember, head shots only on grasshoppers.
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@RScott Is the "toad guy" :)

@MRaccurate He's the first post down on my laser thread. https://www.airgunnation.com/threads/parallel-to-bore-laser-as-holdover-aid.1272008/

In further thinking about the two laser idea. Maybe it would be beneficial to have two lasers that converge at a particular distance. Once beyond that convergence range they would diverge at the same rate. In either case (closer or further than convergence) bracketing the target would be effective.
 
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