I’ve got the FFF flags and they are very well made and react quickly to wind changes. Highly recommended. BTW, the guy making them is a top tier BR shooter and multi time champion.
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EBR Target Challenge
- Thread starter Centercut
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Sandy, yes, you’re correct. I used to score 225 to 228 with the Bobcat. Someone made me an offer I couldn’t refuse. So it’s sold.
Shot 4 tins of pellets in the last 24 hours. This afternoon, I decided to shoot a card single shot. No fliers and 227. Then one card with each of my three magazines. Two cards good (225 to 228 in 8 to 10 mph wind swirling 10:30 to 1:30). Third mag shot 212 in same conditions. So it looks like one of my mags doesn’t line up correctly and slightly shaves some but not all pellets. I also shot two good cards with the two CARM magazines I have. Live and learn.
I take back every cuss word, swear word and all the mumblings under my breath about both Bleu and RD Monsters. My mistake. Now all I have to do is run the table at all the 100 yard events next year.
Thanks to Robert B, Bobby and Sandy C and Mike N for your offers of help. I truly appreciate it. Still haven’t shot a 230 lately but today in the conditions over 225 is very good..
Glad to hear your not giving up on Bleu I have been shooting quite a bit over the last couple of weeks and only shot one target over 230. Most of mine are in the 224 to 228 range. I shot 6 cards tonite and nothing to jump up and down about. What I did learn is how critical tensioning the rifle is. I was shooting off bipod and rear bag which is the way I shot my 240. I noticed several times my shot leaving my POA and that is where the crosshairs were when the pellet hit the paper. After reading Mike N’s post it made me realize how much that little flurry on the end of the flag was moving my pellet around. I chalked tonite’s shooting session as informational. At some point it’s all going to come together when it needs to. Hang in there
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Well, I broke out the 25 Crown for a run at the Challenge . Quite an eye opener ! Now I see why earlier EBRs had trouble breaking 200. The 25 Crown w Kings shoots 1 hole at 50 but my best attempt was a 201 at 100. Went back to the RW and shot a 233 and 231. Fwiw, I tried my 25 and 30 barrels on the RW a couple of weeks ago and I'll just say.... sticking with the 22 and MRd's.
The Crown is such a pleasant rifle to shoot, though ......
It's weird how I've shot lots of paintballs at 60 to 100 with it but put it on paper..... difficult....
Bob
The Crown is such a pleasant rifle to shoot, though ......
It's weird how I've shot lots of paintballs at 60 to 100 with it but put it on paper..... difficult....
Bob
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@tommyb obviously every rifle likes something different, some more touching and tension than others. I try to only have my cheek barely touching the cheek piece. Enough that I can see down the scope. I have not been able to associate a great deal of pellet movement from that but less is better I think. I used to grip my rear bag more or less so the crosshairs stay at the POA, hopefully the center in good wind conditions. But then I noticed I had multiple things to start focusing on. Cheek piece, squeezing the bag, pulling the rifle back tight to my shoulder. Mine likes more hold than less. Pulling the trigger. So yesterday, I noticed I was holding center, gripping the rear bag, tensioning (how tight I pull it into my shoulder) and when I would pull the trigger my shot would be high and right say 8 ring. It’s hard to explain but if I paid close enough attention I could see that the crosshairs were at the place the pellet hit even though after I pulled the trigger they returned to the center POA. Which means to me that at some point I tensioned the rear bag maybe squeezed simultaneously when pulling the trigger. So I stopped gripping my rear bag altogether and settled the rifle in the rear bag where I wanted my POA, barely touched my cheek, and pulled it tight to my shoulder and could shoot 10’s back to back consistently. Then of course reading the fluttering flags was difficult. Pellets were being pushed down and that was difficult to discriminate by the flag. Sometimes a lot. When my pellet would drop down like that my crosshairs were always still in the center and I could watch the pellet drop and hit low. I know that was not caused but my hold. For me I guess if I can eliminate flyers from hold, which is just practice I think, then waiting for the same consistent condition to shoot in should bare a great score. I’m with Mike N. on his belief that I don’t think a perfect score is really possible, but you never know.
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That clears it up Sandy. Lots of good tips and suggestions here to digest. Thanks for taking the time to elaborate!
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I agree with Sandy. Yesterday when I discovered the one magazine issue, I also found the exact issue Sandy describes with pellet hit and POA. I removed my cheek piece to remove one variable. I now hold Blue thumb on top, tip of finger on trigger. Thumb gently pushing downs, and my left hand squeezing the rear bag firmly with the butt medium pressure tucked into my shoulder. This was giving me the most consistency. When I let up on the right thumb pressure or the bag squeeze or the butt to shoulder, my pellets would go low to the 7 ring. This was how I used to hold my old .30 competition rifle and I somehow got away from that with Bleu...
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We shot a bunch of cards today in the morning and had time for one right before dark. Hafta say... almost perfect conditions... and I think some of my 9s were just limitations in ammo. We learned a lot, regardless.
My best card.....
Fun Day !
Bob
My best card.....
Fun Day !
Bob
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We did have a great day of shooting today. My very first card of the day was my best. 232, I had 2 shots that I could tell the rifle jumped on me and I had 8’s. After that I experimented with rear bags and hold. This was very informative paying attention to different pressures and hold seeing how it pushed the pellet around. The smallest thumb pressure would push the pellet to the right. The photo you posted @centercut was exactly what my hold was on the rear bag that gave me the best results. The rifle sits in the rear bag and I use my hand to stabilize the rifle from jumping and producing a high shot. I stopped squeezing the bag. That only made things worse. The wind on the other hand was difficult today. I realized at the end of the day when we shot our last card I used different pellets, and did not shoot well. Still have a lot to learn but had a great time competing against my hubby. He got me today but tomorrow is a new day.
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Just some out of the box blue sky questions ... Do the RW barrels use a RH or LH twist? If they are LH I wonder if the "high right" (1:00) cross hair movement you are seeing in your scope is from the pellet inducing a left hand torque on the barrel? By holding the rifle firmer into your shoulder you are lessening or damping the barrel torquing the rifle?
Do the bipods you are using allow a natural articulating / twisting movement at the mount? If so, I wonder if you could tighten that joint and if it would help reduce the torquing?
I notice that powder burner BR custom rifle stocks have a flat area on the bottom of their forestocks. Could that feature reduce some of that natural torquing effects? I notice the Thomas air rifles use a similar flat fore end and wonder if their reasoning could follow the same thought process?
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Good questions.
As far as I know , all LW airgun barrels are right hand twist. RW's do seem to respond to a firmer hold but it's definitely a fine line of how to do it with perfect consistency. The bipod is an Accutac and the articulation is pretty firm. Mike N does indeed have a flat forend on the Thomas, as do most rifles intended for benchrest. The RW is not intended to be a dedicated benchrest rifle and is designed with some style intent ..... hence the curves, sometimes in difficult places to adapt to the different games.
Sooo.... we are trying to solve the problem of intent vs reality. All good thoughts .....
Bob
As far as I know , all LW airgun barrels are right hand twist. RW's do seem to respond to a firmer hold but it's definitely a fine line of how to do it with perfect consistency. The bipod is an Accutac and the articulation is pretty firm. Mike N does indeed have a flat forend on the Thomas, as do most rifles intended for benchrest. The RW is not intended to be a dedicated benchrest rifle and is designed with some style intent ..... hence the curves, sometimes in difficult places to adapt to the different games.
Sooo.... we are trying to solve the problem of intent vs reality. All good thoughts .....
Bob
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This thread is so awesome! Being in such a rural area with very few serious air gunners around, I have nobody to throw ideas like these, around with. It’s cool to hear that we all deal with similar issues, problems and challenges that we have do deal with. It can get discouraging to think these issues are only happening to me. Good shooters, bad shooters and everyone in between have to assess these things, tests remedies and find what works best for accuracy. I guess my point is that it’s kind of refreshing to hear that we all deal with the same dilemmas.
I tried to order up some wind flags the other day but I was too late, the holiday weekend had begun. I’ll order them up on Tuesday. So, in the interim, I made some cheap, very simple flags out of fly tying materials of different weights and sizes. Not great, but something is better than nothing until the quality flags can be ordered and delivered.
My Impact is the gun I shot the 238 9x with the other day. I was leery to do it because the gun was dialed in and shooting very well but my carbon fiber tube finally arrived after 2.5 weeks, so I used it to tension the barrel and hopefully reduce any remaining vibration. I had tried this in the past with not much luck so this time I got thick carbon tubing that it much more rigid. I’ll test it tonight or tomorrow morning. For now, I can tell you that it is definitely a lot stiffer than it was, a lot! Whether or not that equates to improved accuracy, we’ll see.
Have a great rest of your weekend guys!
Stoti
I tried to order up some wind flags the other day but I was too late, the holiday weekend had begun. I’ll order them up on Tuesday. So, in the interim, I made some cheap, very simple flags out of fly tying materials of different weights and sizes. Not great, but something is better than nothing until the quality flags can be ordered and delivered.
My Impact is the gun I shot the 238 9x with the other day. I was leery to do it because the gun was dialed in and shooting very well but my carbon fiber tube finally arrived after 2.5 weeks, so I used it to tension the barrel and hopefully reduce any remaining vibration. I had tried this in the past with not much luck so this time I got thick carbon tubing that it much more rigid. I’ll test it tonight or tomorrow morning. For now, I can tell you that it is definitely a lot stiffer than it was, a lot! Whether or not that equates to improved accuracy, we’ll see.
Have a great rest of your weekend guys!
Stoti
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Guys, quick question: What is the width of the outside of the outer ring? I think my printer is giving me some scaling problems and printing a little small.
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EBR ring sizes
X ring ……… 0.200 inches
10 ring……… 0.475
9 ring………. 1.250
8 ring………. 2.000
7 ring……… 2.800
6 ring……… 3.580
5 ring……… 4.36
4 ring……….5.125
X ring ……… 0.200 inches
10 ring……… 0.475
9 ring………. 1.250
8 ring………. 2.000
7 ring……… 2.800
6 ring……… 3.580
5 ring……… 4.36
4 ring……….5.125
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Tony - just wanted to add a side note in case you were not aware.
For this EBR Target challenge, any missed shot outside the “7” ring counts as a Six for scoring purposes. Mike (CC) gave all the “Seniors” an unofficial “Senior pass” for this virtual 100 yard challenge.
I believe the recent EBR Lockdown virtual challenge will be using the “official” larger EBR targets which presumably have the 6, 5 and 4 rings.
For this EBR Target challenge, any missed shot outside the “7” ring counts as a Six for scoring purposes. Mike (CC) gave all the “Seniors” an unofficial “Senior pass” for this virtual 100 yard challenge.
I believe the recent EBR Lockdown virtual challenge will be using the “official” larger EBR targets which presumably have the 6, 5 and 4 rings.
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This thread is so awesome! Being in such a rural area with very few serious air gunners around, I have nobody to throw ideas like these, around with. It’s cool to hear that we all deal with similar issues, problems and challenges that we have do deal with. It can get discouraging to think these issues are only happening to me. Good shooters, bad shooters and everyone in between have to assess these things, tests remedies and find what works best for accuracy. I guess my point is that it’s kind of refreshing to hear that we all deal with the same dilemmas.
I tried to order up some wind flags the other day but I was too late, the holiday weekend had begun. I’ll order them up on Tuesday. So, in the interim, I made some cheap, very simple flags out of fly tying materials of different weights and sizes. Not great, but something is better than nothing until the quality flags can be ordered and delivered.
My Impact is the gun I shot the 238 9x with the other day. I was leery to do it because the gun was dialed in and shooting very well but my carbon fiber tube finally arrived after 2.5 weeks, so I used it to tension the barrel and hopefully reduce any remaining vibration. I had tried this in the past with not much luck so this time I got thick carbon tubing that it much more rigid. I’ll test it tonight or tomorrow morning. For now, I can tell you that it is definitely a lot stiffer than it was, a lot! Whether or not that equates to improved accuracy, we’ll see.
Have a great rest of your weekend guys!
Stoti
Hi Stoti
Has the thicker carbon tube made a difference to your accuracy with the Impact? Nice looking rifle, by the way.
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Here is my 100 yds try. I had a bunch of cards which I use for practice, they have the same size as the EBR.
RTI prophet 22 cal shooting Jsb RD Monster old and new design. New at 985-990 fps and Old at 995-1000 fps.
210 with new and 218 with old design.
I hope I scored it well.
Wind was 3 to 5 mph from 8 to 2 shift due to orographic issues at the place.
I think this could be the best I can do with this AG.
I will try tomorrow at a different range to see how the score goes.
RTI prophet 22 cal shooting Jsb RD Monster old and new design. New at 985-990 fps and Old at 995-1000 fps.
210 with new and 218 with old design.
I hope I scored it well.
Wind was 3 to 5 mph from 8 to 2 shift due to orographic issues at the place.
I think this could be the best I can do with this AG.
I will try tomorrow at a different range to see how the score goes.
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