EDgun Leshiy 2 accuracy - no excuses

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And about payment :) I don't need to pay anybody because, as I told earlier, the truth always reaveals! I prefer just to make guns and make them to be interested for people. That is the only way to move forward. One can pay a lot to anybody, to push something in your mind, but sooner or later you will realize that you were ****ed and you will start hate him and that will be the beginning of the end for him. Just be honest to people, evern if the todays' situation just force you to cheat, stay calm and go your own way and you will get everyting. That is my philosophy...

hi ed, i think there is a misunderstanding. i don't think anyone is stating you are paying for the videos to be made. it is being said that one of your distributors is paying for the videos to be made.

if this is not the case, then the channel owner should contact youtube. most of the videos have this notice on them, suggesting that a dealer of the edgun products is paying for videos to be made. if these are being made without any payment, youtube needs to take that banner off to not mislead others:

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did you even watch that video? I did an ad for Tactacam in the first 30 seconds and thanked them for sponsoring the video. checking that box is a voluntary thing on YouTube... shame on me for being honest!
 
Hi Guys,

Let me clear some things up... Brian does not pay me, nor does Ed. I have paid for every EDgun I own with the exception of the Leshiy 2. Actually, Brian gave my daughters the pink Leshiy classic too. Why? well what you don't know is what I do for a living. Brian was thrown off his old website platform, and I got his website up and running on a platform I was part of building. I did all this work in a weekend, and then continued to help guide him and his small business. I've helped 1000's of small businesses.

Now, lets bring in "EDgun Leshiy". I learn by doing, not by some book. I approached Ed and Brian and offered to build "EDgun Leshiy". My motivation was partially what Ed described above, and also I needed a project to build something real out on this platform to test features and functionality. That website gets 2K visitors a week, is organically on the number 1 page in Google for the keywords I want, and has a free membership area called Club Leshiy with over 10K people in it. It's all fed using a YouTube Channel with 60K+ subs, and more importantly 2-3 million watch minutes a month. I wanted to build a community around this gun I loved, and one I felt had a coordinated attack against it. I won't even get into all that, as I won. I made people look beyond what Ted did, and realize what this gun really is and did... it changed the airgun world forever... and the Leshiy 2 did it again.

I did all that with Zero $ from Ed or Brian. I benefit plenty from outside sources at this point, but I never did this for the $$.

I've been very open about what I have paid for and what I have not. Even with that I think it's inappropriate for me to call a video a "review" as I'm clearly promoting him/them, but don't try and come in here and question my integrity. The truth is you're all just as fed up as I was with this paid youtuber nonsense... I just had the tools to put an end to it.

There is nothing wrong with paying someone to showoff your product, but you have to be upfront and honest. Why are you seeing "paid promotion" in some of my recent videos? Well, watch them, and I think it's pretty clear. I literally stop the video and do a 1-2min showcase of a product and thank them for sponsoring the video. The last one was Tactacam. The ones previous were Olight, EagleVision, ATN Corp, US Optics, etc etc. YouTube requires you to check a box claiming you received $ (or in my case product) in exchange for promotion. I choose to only do this with stuff I like and use. You don't see me doing hard sells... I just entertain you guys and let the footage help you make up your own mind on the products I use. 

You guys have no idea how much time and money goes into these channels making content for you to consume for free. Being a YouTuber for a living would be the most stressful job ever. I hope for and congratulate their success. I even feature many of them on the channel to help them grow. The issue I take is trashing a product when you're on the payroll of a competitor... and not being up front about it. This is happening a ton in the firearm space, and you're seeing it bubble up. This influencer thing is really gross. It's why you're getting this response from me here... accusing me of quietly getting paid by Brian and Ed is not something I will tolerate. I'll tell you when someone gives me a product or pays me... always have, always will.

The weird thing I've learned in all of this... you guys have a hard-on for EDgun. It’s like you want them to fail sometimes. Why? Why not hold all these other companies and actual paid shooters accountable like you do EDgun?? It’s bizarre.

So… with all that as context, let’s talk about this last video which has some panties in a bunch. I warned you all that the Leshiy 2 was a no tinker kinda gun. It was perfect out of the box. The trouble you’re seeing is people tinkering. I know we all love to tinker, but I cannot state this enough… DO NOT MESS with this gun. Brian and Ed knew this would happen though… the thirst to tinker was just too strong. So they gave you the power jets and the ultimate never ending math equation. Stay within the swim lane they suggest on total hole size, and you’ll be fine… but if you feel you’re smarter than Ed, and want to do something else… don’t get mad and claim the gun can’t shoot anymore.

My yard is 30 yards, not my capability. The video itself is not a review… it’s literally scope cam footage showing what the gun is capable of in the hands of someone who knows how to shoot. It’s a bone stock 250mm .30 shooting 50gr JSB’s at 720fps. Basically a pistol hitting can after can at 150 yards with a 6x scope. Brian could pick a barrel out of pule of them, and you guys would still bitch. Was this a f u to Gregor… you bet it was. That video was garbage, just like Ted’s (just minus 400K subs). He 100% messed that gun up, and didn’t say what he did. The chronograph numbers prove it. The video literally has 2K views in a week. We're doing exactly what he wanted... giving him attention. Trashing a gun for views doesn't give you credibility guys.



Here’s what I can promise… you guys are going to lose an incredible asset to this forum in Ed and Brian. Keep it up, and you’ll see.
 
And about payment :) I don't need to pay anybody because, as I told earlier, the truth always reaveals! I prefer just to make guns and make them to be interested for people. That is the only way to move forward. One can pay a lot to anybody, to push something in your mind, but sooner or later you will realize that you were ****ed and you will start hate him and that will be the beginning of the end for him. Just be honest to people, evern if the todays' situation just force you to cheat, stay calm and go your own way and you will get everyting. That is my philosophy...

hi ed, i think there is a misunderstanding. i don't think anyone is stating you are paying for the videos to be made. it is being said that one of your distributors is paying for the videos to be made.

if this is not the case, then the channel owner should contact youtube. most of the videos have this notice on them, suggesting that a dealer of the edgun products is paying for videos to be made. if these are being made without any payment, youtube needs to take that banner off to not mislead others:

Screen Shot 2020-11-24 at 2.24.53 PM.1606253134.png

did you even watch that video? I did an ad for Tactacam in the first 30 seconds and thanked them for sponsoring the video. checking that box is a voluntary thing on YouTube... shame on me for being honest!

hello, i was not trying to be accusatory, and thought maybe someone had asked youtube to put the item on there thinking the same thing i had. i was actually attempting to make sure that was removed if it should not be there.

cheer up, not everybody is out to attack you / edgun here. hope you have a great day.
 
And about payment :) I don't need to pay anybody because, as I told earlier, the truth always reaveals! I prefer just to make guns and make them to be interested for people. That is the only way to move forward. One can pay a lot to anybody, to push something in your mind, but sooner or later you will realize that you were ****ed and you will start hate him and that will be the beginning of the end for him. Just be honest to people, evern if the todays' situation just force you to cheat, stay calm and go your own way and you will get everyting. That is my philosophy...

hi ed, i think there is a misunderstanding. i don't think anyone is stating you are paying for the videos to be made. it is being said that one of your distributors is paying for the videos to be made.

if this is not the case, then the channel owner should contact youtube. most of the videos have this notice on them, suggesting that a dealer of the edgun products is paying for videos to be made. if these are being made without any payment, youtube needs to take that banner off to not mislead others:

Screen Shot 2020-11-24 at 2.24.53 PM.1606253134.png

did you even watch that video? I did an ad for Tactacam in the first 30 seconds and thanked them for sponsoring the video. checking that box is a voluntary thing on YouTube... shame on me for being honest!

hello, i was not trying to be accusatory, and thought maybe someone had asked youtube to put the item on there thinking the same thing i had. i was actually attempting to make sure that was removed if it should not be there.

cheer up, not everybody is out to attack you / edgun here. hope you have a great day.

no stress... sorry, I took your response as being accusatory. apologies if it was not.
 
We just want what we paid for. A gun with a good accuracy, not a shotgun or a lead thrower. What would be the purpose of this forum if we had to treat Ed like a god and EDgun Leshiy with EDgun West like angels? Tflats, noone looks into your pocket but it is veeery hard to believe that you do not get a cent from Brian. It literally does not happen nowadays. Business is business and everyone with a tiny bit of gray matter knows that. Anyway, it is your conscience.

Another very interesting trend is that more and more people in the states choose EDgun Spain to buy the guns from there. That dealer has a YT channel called Wolfiek Group as far as I know and he does not have EDgun Leshiy reaches but it seems he gets momentum.
 
We just want what we paid for. A gun with a good accuracy, not a shotgun or a lead thrower. What would be the purpose of this forum if we had to treat Ed like a god and EDgun Leshiy with EDgun West like angels? Tflats, noone looks into your pocket but it is veeery hard to believe that you do not get a cent from Brian. It literally does not happen nowadays. Business is business and everyone with a tiny bit of gray matter knows that. Anyway, it is your conscience.

Another very interesting trend is that more and more people in the states choose EDgun Spain to buy the guns from there. That dealer has a YT channel called Wolfiek Group as far as I know and he does not have EDgun Leshiy reaches but it seems he gets momentum.

Brian hit the lottery I guess. he hasn't paid me a penny. Not a single dollar.

Interesting you brought up Franbo... now this is all making sense hahaha. You created an account on the 19th, right after this all started, and your only posts are about questioning me and Ed. 

The guy who paid Gregor for that video (Franbo) sends his buddies to AGN. lol. Ok, here we go. Your friend Fran stole my logo and created a website with my domain with a .shop at the end. Why?? for all the reasons I explained. I know what I'm doing. I do this for a living. He didn't want any part of me when I first started doing this... then he saw what I did, and wanted it for himself. 20'ish VERY disappointed people bought from him in the US thinking it was me. You should see the photos of how they are arriving. Guess how happy they are when they find out they are dealing with a guy in Spain for support.

Anything thing else you need cleared up? Tell your friend Fran I said hello.




 
Molasar is a troll account. Recently made account in the past few days. No credibility on this forum or anywhere else. Doesn’t own a Leshiy 2. Only posts about a questionable video related to Edguns. Heck, we have no proof he even owns any airguns period. Yet he’s here lecturing us about the gun and how terrible it is. 
If you notice a pattern, almost all (if not 100%) of the people with any problems with these guns have purchased the gun from dealers other than Edgun West. 
You have to understand that these guns are shipped in pieces and have to be put together and tested for functionality by the dealer before being shipped out to customers. 
Manufacturing issues are usually caught during this process. If anything does slip through and is a true manufacturing defect, I’ve never had an issue with Edgun West or Ed rectifying the problem. 
That being said, the vast majority of people that purchased these L2’s are not members of this forum nor are they airgun enthusiasts. That’s why you’re begging for videos of accuracy tests and no one hears you. They don’t waste their time on these forums. They’re out there shooting these guns as is out of the box and having a blast. Not taking them apart and F-ing with them then coming here and crying that the gun isn’t working and no one can help them. 
I wouldn’t be shocked if Ed and Brian stop posting here as it’s not worth the time or effort to deal with most of you crybabies. 
If you don’t like the gun, can’t afford it, then don’t buy it. It’s just not for you. Move on to something else and be happy. 
 
I just want to shoot my Leshiy 2 and share what I learn along the way. These threads which trend into he said she said or who can puff their chest out the most really suck the fun out of it. 

I already posted accuracy shots taken without even really trying. I think the OP of this the thread has been answered - yes the gun is accurate and has repeatable precision, but it's shooting from a mag so it may never be a true MOA gun.

Just enjoy the dang thing and worry about how many pellets and air you are going through. I'm taking a 9L tank from 4500 psi down to 3500 psi almost daily and having a blast. 
 
Успех - не окончателен, поражение - не смертельно, мужество продолжать - вот, что имеет значение.



Don't worry we have seen these trolls before, their presence is proof of success!

Now that they have had their 15 minutes of fame, let's.get back to work. I am seeing some interesting development from.some on the new jets. .
 
Etal, (meaning everyone)

I’ve seen it time and time again in my 6 or 7 years in this new PCP world. THE FUXINEER....they just can’t resist taking something apart to try and “improve it”, they cry when they break it. The really disturbing thing is to watch them advertise their bastardized, modified originals in the Classified section to pawn it off to some newbie getting into this sport. Very dishonest in my opinion. The two PCP I purchased were from a very reputable dealer (a Vulcan and Taipan Vet). Did I just get lucky....no I just trusted the advise of the dealer and the Guns were accurate enough out of the box, but got better as I shot them. All I do is maintain them. I also don’t go to a car dealer, buy a car and dismantle the engine when I get home....my cars run fine!

I’m familiar with the history of this forum, Ted and the like. Watched as this hobby grew and the early adopters got paid to promote....I’m fine with that as long as there is disclosure. Unlike Tflatts the majority of promoters do not disclose their benefactors and I agree that is gross. Also there are Brand snipers out there who are paid to discourage, disparage, and call in question a particular manufactures’ competitors....very underhanded. Ed is right the truth is the power and is consistent over time!

I’ve never owned an Edgun but am ready for my L2, once Ed and Brian are ready to deliver it to me....just want them to love on it first...and I can wait!



Beach-gunner

Dennis
 
We just want what we paid for. A gun with a good accuracy, not a shotgun or a lead thrower. What would be the purpose of this forum if we had to treat Ed like a god and EDgun Leshiy with EDgun West like angels? Tflats, noone looks into your pocket but it is veeery hard to believe that you do not get a cent from Brian. It literally does not happen nowadays. Business is business and everyone with a tiny bit of gray matter knows that. Anyway, it is your conscience.

Another very interesting trend is that more and more people in the states choose EDgun Spain to buy the guns from there. That dealer has a YT channel called Wolfiek Group as far as I know and he does not have EDgun Leshiy reaches but it seems he gets momentum.

Brian hit the lottery I guess. he hasn't paid me a penny. Not a single dollar.

Interesting you brought up Franbo... now this is all making sense hahaha. You created an account on the 19th, right after this all started, and your only posts are about questioning me and Ed. 

The guy who paid Gregor for that video (Franbo) sends his buddies to AGN. lol. Ok, here we go. Your friend Fran stole my logo and created a website with my domain with a .shop at the end. Why?? for all the reasons I explained. I know what I'm doing. I do this for a living. He didn't want any part of me when I first started doing this... then he saw what I did, and wanted it for himself. 20'ish VERY disappointed people bought from him in the US thinking it was me. You should see the photos of how they are arriving. Guess how happy they are when they find out they are dealing with a guy in Spain for support.

Anything thing else you need cleared up? Tell your friend Fran I said hello.




Sorry that I chime in but how come you did not protect a .shop domain if you do it for a living? You must be a homeless.

Stricts facts: how does Ed make sure that the bore is concentric in relation to the outer barrel surface? Was the barrel turned on a lathe?

ok look... a new account created today by the same franbo troll lukaz. So everyone knows... this is the original poster "stormy". He's a friend of Franbo, and has been banned by every EDgun website and community out there. Michael just has to keep banning his account here as he's using VPN to create new accounts each time. 

I’ll answer this clowns question though... and Stormy/Lukaz/Molasar/ tell Fran I said the world now knows... he’s a grifter!

for anyone else reading this... that’s a fair point on .shop. When I first started, I had a funnel where people could come, get interested, and then be directed to the right dealer based on geo. Only a few dealers responded to me initially. The channel started to take off, and SEO was solidified. Fran then took it upon himself to quietly do what he did. I didn’t expect a dealer inside of EDgun to do this... so lesson learned.

As you can imagine, I was rip poop pissed. Ed forced him to remove my logo and be more transparent about where he’s located, but the damage was done. I think at least 20 people in the US ordered from him thinking it was me. I get people all the time yelling at me for order status, or sending me photos of how the gun arrived... all b/c they think they bought from me.


Fran and his brother are not dumb, they know exactly what they were doing... just grifters with a little bit of www knowledge. I can tell you Shopify has them on their radar. He’s doing illegal gambling (t-shirt scam)... it’s just a matter of time before the problem fixes itself.

all these complaints about guns, that sh!t “review, etc are all isolated to one guy. In the end, it’s your money, and I’ve done my part of telling the story and exposing what he did. He brought all of this upon himself. You can choose to do business with him and that’s your choice... but what you can’t do is come in here and bitch, or throw shade at me or Brian for making a video with just scope cam showing what the gun can do when it’s manufactured and tested by professionals... and in the hands of a semi competent shooter.
 
Not sure what the fuss is about. My .25 / 350mm is accurate enough for hunting, but I wouldn't expect pellet diameter size groups at 50 or beyond. I shot these last weekend at 100y in crappy / windy / cold weather (34gr JSB MKIIs at 847fps with my little NX8 1-8 optic):

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(Forgot to bring my Splatterburst targets, so I had to improvise!)
 
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