EDgun Edgun Leshiy 2

[EncoreUneFois]

Your logic is baffling to me. Engineers solve problems. They don't handwave them away or default to user error. Your reasoning basically equates to: "This bridge has been successfully operational for 10 years, so if it ends up collapsing, then it was clearly the fault of that one heavy truck putting too much weight on it.".

Is it really that hard to even consider the possibility of a structural/design error, or are you just THAT blinded by loyalty to the EdGun brand?

I've only been able to find 2 verified cases of a PCP exploding, and these were indeed proven to be caused by user error. One instance where a guy tried to convert a CO2 rifle to HPA, which ended up almost killing him. And one where someone filled their gun with pure oxygen.

As it stands, the L2 explosion is the only case where a clear explanation behind the catastrophic failure is absent. User error was speculated, but these were largely ruled out by Ed's research team. No traces of dubious substances were found, and it was proven that the rupture started at a point of corrosion on the inside of the reservoir. Which rules out the initial theories that the gun may have been assembled incorrectly.

Im am by no means saying that YOU should throw your L2 in the trash, or even that there was no user error. It's possible. However, the current lack of an explanation simply does not make me feel comfortable using this product. And I would much appreciate it if you would temper your persistently dismissive tone towards people who are critical and/or doubtful.

You honestly sound like one of those Apple fanboys. "Oh no, the overheating or exploding battery cannot possibly be Apple's fault. They probably just used their iPhone wrong".

A 300 bar carbon Leshiy tank is (back of an envelope calculation) containing the same potential energy as around a quarter of a pound of dynamite. Not a funny thing to have go boom when you have it snuggled up to your cheek.

On the other hand I’m fairly sure that folks jump in to two ton lumps of steel on four inflated doughnuts every day and shoot around at seventy miles an hour.

That is orders of magnitude greater in terms of energy dump if you hit a wall.

Not going to sweat the odds based on reported failures.

Two known tank failures against 43,000 car crash deaths in the US per year. Admittedly a disproportionate sample size, but I would still feel confident that the percentage (HPA gun deaths by number of users Vs car crash deaths by number of drivers) makes it rather more safe to use your Leshiy than to jump into the car and head to the Piggly Wiggly for chips and salsa.

 

[techna]

Your logic is baffling to me. Engineers solve problems. They don't handwave them away or default to user error. Your reasoning basically equates to: "This bridge has been successfully operational for 10 years, so if it ends up collapsing, then it was clearly the fault of that one heavy truck putting too much weight on it.".

Is it really that hard to even consider the possibility of a structural/design error, or are you just THAT blinded by loyalty to the EdGun brand?

I've only been able to find 2 verified cases of a PCP exploding, and these were indeed proven to be caused by user error. One instance where a guy tried to convert a CO2 rifle to HPA, which ended up almost killing him. And one where someone filled their gun with pure oxygen.

As it stands, the L2 explosion is the only case where a clear explanation behind the catastrophic failure is absent. User error was speculated, but these were largely ruled out by Ed's research team. No traces of dubious substances were found, and it was proven that the rupture started at a point of corrosion on the inside of the reservoir. Which rules out the initial theories that the gun may have been assembled incorrectly.

Im am by no means saying that YOU should throw your L2 in the trash, or even that there was no user error. It's possible. However, the current lack of an explanation simply does not make me feel comfortable using this product. And I would much appreciate it if you would temper your persistently dismissive tone towards people who are critical and/or doubtful.

You honestly sound like one of those Apple fanboys. "Oh no, the overheating or exploding battery cannot possibly be Apple's fault. They probably just used their iPhone wrong".

I’m curious though. If it looks like the failure occurred at a point of corrosion, isn’t this likely to be user error? Moisture in the fill combining with some other introduced chemical along the fill chain. If so, how is this an Edgun specific issue? Please understand that I’m just asking the question and may not have a clear understanding of the whole situation since I haven’t done much beyond skimming the thread.
One thing that the incident has made me consider is how blasé I’ve become when handling high pressure fills. I’ve either filled high pressure air tanks from near zero to 4500psi as fast as I could, or stood next to others doing the same, literally thousands of times. Never once did I consider the condition of the air, what may have been introduced into the air, or the condition of tanks being filled. Kinda gives me the creeps remembering it just now…

 

[DonEnzone]

Moisture is not good for airguns, that is a fact. But it should (emphesis on should) not lead to a catastrophic failure. At most it'll ruin the internals and make the gun not function properly.

I am definitely not saying that there is zero responsibility on the side of the user. Clearly there is. It's your job to make sure your carbon fiber tanks are tested as they age. We can't pin everything on the manufacturer. But when something goes horribly wrong, I do think it's worth looking into if and how this can be prevented in the future. That way, safety measures can improve.

The fact that some roll their eyes at the mere idea that the gun could have a flaw, is just very strange to me...

Again, not saying there IS a flaw. But it's not off the table. Not until we know why this happened, which is highly unlikely at this point. Ed has alreasy closed the book on this one.

 

[stoutblock]

I believe the new GK1 tank is carbon fiber wrapped Titanium? I think all manufactures should consider this solution for corrosion sensitive high pressure components on airguns. Titanium is extremely strong, light, has good fatigue characteristics and simply does not corrode. A few more failures like the L2 of question, and somebody gets hurt or worse, would easily end the life of a product if not a company. As more PCP airguns get into circulation and ultimately age, let’s hope this is not something that becomes more common in the industry. Edgun claims an isolated event and I certainly hope that is the case. Time will tell, it always does…

 

[delooper]

Your logic is baffling to me. Engineers solve problems. They don't handwave them away or default to user error. Your reasoning basically equates to: "This bridge has been successfully operational for 10 years, so if it ends up collapsing, then it was clearly the fault of that one heavy truck putting too much weight on it.".

Is it really that hard to even consider the possibility of a structural/design error, or are you just THAT blinded by loyalty to the EdGun brand?

I don't really see it either way. I've looked at my reservoir and it looks fine. Also, if it does explode at some point, the explosion is most likely to be more of a slow leak. Either way, I'm fine with the outcome.

 

[delooper]

A 300 bar carbon Leshiy tank is (back of an envelope calculation) containing the same potential energy as around a quarter of a pound of dynamite. Not a funny thing to have go boom when you have it snuggled up to your cheek.

Sure, but during a typical failure, the most likely outcome is the energy is leaked-out very slowly. It would be quite difficult to find a way for a tank to fail where all the energy comes out in a thousandth of a second.

 

[bigHUN]

Your logic is baffling to me. Engineers solve problems. They don't handwave them away or default to user error.

Why you worry about the story, you have sold your L2 and you are free now to look for the next bright morning.
And don't worry for my engineering background I started my carrier in Siemens & Maho VMB high precision manufacturing in 1982 and I learned on technologies back then you will have hard to find today within a single Co... and since about 2005 I am a self employed engineering consultant. In most of the cases I just look at the Part and don't even need to run FEA.
In my eyes the Edgun and the Leshiy2 is an incredible clever engineered product.
Edit:
Btw, during my carrier I have received tons of training how to recognize and eliminate human affairs on products handled over hockey nights.

 

[Treks]

Looks like EDgun Spain is offering Wolfiek Proprietary Experimental Barrels for the L2. Anyone have info on these?

 

[delooper]

Looks like EDgun Spain is offering Wolfiek Proprietary Experimental Barrels for the L2. Anyone have info on these?

The webpage seems to say they were designed to have polygonal rifling. That and you can choose between choked and unchoked, I suppose if you want to use it for slugs or diabolos respectively. Barrels are made by Lothar-Walther.

 

[Treks]

The webpage seems to say they were designed to have polygonal rifling. That and you can choose between choked and unchoked, I suppose if you want to use it for slugs or diabolos respectively. Barrels are made by Lothar-Walther.

Yeah, interesting that they are offering some sort of 30 day “trial”. My words, not theirs.

 

[Bernie7]

I’ve searched the forum for this and read some pros and cons but I’m hoping to tap into the extensive first hand experience of this community. I currently have a Leshiy .30 250mm and it’s awesome. But it doesn’t really fit the role I have in mind. I’d like to get another barrel kit for the following purpose-

• Target shooting, either paper punching or aluminum cans. It will not be used for hunting.
• Has to be in 250mm because I want it to fit in my backpack while walking through the woods.
• Would ideally like for it to be as quiet as possible. There will be a behemoth on the end of it so that should hopefully handle some of the sound.
• Maximum shot count

Based on what I’ve read, everything is telling me .177 would be ideal but I have some questions.

1. Do the .177 pellets and slugs seem to have as symmetrical and consistent manufacturing as .22 and up?
2. Do people feel that the smaller pellets and slugs are more likely to suffer deformation during handling/loading (are they more delicate)?
3. Are the smaller holes punched into paper targets visible with the naked eye at 20 yards and under?
4. How does it ‘feel’? I know this is subjective but I’ve never actually fired a .177 PCP. Only springers.
5. Would love recommendations on .177 ammo that people feel work well in the Leshiy 2.

Thank you in advance. I know this is kind of a newb question but it’s a lot of money to drop for the barrel kit with mags and even then I don’t have the years (sometimes decades) of shooting experience as many of the members here.


Hope everyone has a nice Thanksgiving!

 

[bigHUN]

I’ve searched the forum for this and read some pros and cons ...

A lot of questions in one post, to answer you all need to re-read couple times .... ya know, memory as a gold fish.
A short answer is yes, the .177 or eventually I can hold your hands with .22

 

[Scouty]

I’ve searched the forum for this and read some pros and cons but I’m hoping to tap into the extensive first hand experience of this community. I currently have a Leshiy .30 250mm and it’s awesome. But it doesn’t really fit the role I have in mind. I’d like to get another barrel kit for the following purpose-

• Target shooting, either paper punching or aluminum cans. It will not be used for hunting.
• Has to be in 250mm because I want it to fit in my backpack while walking through the woods.
• Would ideally like for it to be as quiet as possible. There will be a behemoth on the end of it so that should hopefully handle some of the sound.
• Maximum shot count

Based on what I’ve read, everything is telling me .177 would be ideal but I have some questions.

1. Do the .177 pellets and slugs seem to have as symmetrical and consistent manufacturing as .22 and up?
2. Do people feel that the smaller pellets and slugs are more likely to suffer deformation during handling/loading (are they more delicate)?
3. Are the smaller holes punched into paper targets visible with the naked eye at 20 yards and under?
4. How does it ‘feel’? I know this is subjective but I’ve never actually fired a .177 PCP. Only springers.
5. Would love recommendations on .177 ammo that people feel work well in the Leshiy 2.

Thank you in advance. I know this is kind of a newb question but it’s a lot of money to drop for the barrel kit with mags and even then I don’t have the years (sometimes decades) of shooting experience as many of the members here.


Hope everyone has a nice Thanksgiving!

I also don't have a bunch of experience but am also toying with what to order for my L2.

As far as quiet and possible, the L2 with a 350mm barrel and the Behemoth Reflex chamber is about the same length as the 250mm barrel and the factory shroud, which is only slightly longer than the stock when folded, assuming you have the REPR regulator and plenum with the normal length upper air tube.

If you run the Behemoth direct on your barrel with the tri-lug then it will be shorter in 250mm but then the stock will take up most of the length. Personally I don't think I would mind the short distance the the handguard would extend past the folded stock with the Reflex system given the advantages of a longer barrel.

Also, as long as you're ordering parts, you might want to consider the dogbone and collar. I feel like these were discussed recently. I'll see if I can find it.

I do not have a strong opinion on caliber. I am skeptical .177 will be much quieter. And I like the heavier smack on cans with the larger calibers.

 

[Bernie7]

And I like the heavier smack on cans with the larger calibers.

excellent advice all around, but this last part is the type of thing that didn’t even cross my mind. Thank you Scouty!

 

[Scouty]

excellent advice all around, but this last part is the type of thing that didn’t even cross my mind. Thank you Scouty!

When I first read your post my first thought was you already have the perfect L2 for smacking cans, noise & ammo cost non-withstanding.

 

[DaveSa]

I’ve searched the forum for this and read some pros and cons but I’m hoping to tap into the extensive first hand experience of this community. I currently have a Leshiy .30 250mm and it’s awesome. But it doesn’t really fit the role I have in mind. I’d like to get another barrel kit for the following purpose-

• Target shooting, either paper punching or aluminum cans. It will not be used for hunting.
• Has to be in 250mm because I want it to fit in my backpack while walking through the woods.
• Would ideally like for it to be as quiet as possible. There will be a behemoth on the end of it so that should hopefully handle some of the sound.
• Maximum shot count

Based on what I’ve read, everything is telling me .177 would be ideal but I have some questions.

1. Do the .177 pellets and slugs seem to have as symmetrical and consistent manufacturing as .22 and up?
2. Do people feel that the smaller pellets and slugs are more likely to suffer deformation during handling/loading (are they more delicate)?
3. Are the smaller holes punched into paper targets visible with the naked eye at 20 yards and under?
4. How does it ‘feel’? I know this is subjective but I’ve never actually fired a .177 PCP. Only springers.
5. Would love recommendations on .177 ammo that people feel work well in the Leshiy 2.

Thank you in advance. I know this is kind of a newb question but it’s a lot of money to drop for the barrel kit with mags and even then I don’t have the years (sometimes decades) of shooting experience as many of the members here.


Hope everyone has a nice Thanksgiving!

Couple things I think I remember from reading this thread - the .177 and .22 both use the same jets - the .25 and .30 use bigger (different ) jets - so a barrel change from .30 to .177 also would mean a disassembly and a change of the jets.

Why would you need to see the holes "with the naked eye"? why not use the scope you have on the gun? I use my Leshiy with the small March 1-10x - it is light and you could use it to see the holes better - or of course use Splatterburst targets so you can see the impacts better - lots of inexpensive versions on Amazon in 50 or 100 packs.

I originally bought the .177 barrel for mine as well, but have never put it on - I have enjoyed the .22 so much. I do have a bunch of .177 ammo for another gun and is a lot of the H&N and I rarely find issues with the pellets - I see more issues with my larger tins of .22 JSB than anything else, as far as skirts with dents and such.

 

[Bernie7]

Couple things I think I remember from reading this thread - the .177 and .22 both use the same jets - the .25 and .30 use bigger (different ) jets - so a barrel change from .30 to .177 also would mean a disassembly and a change of the jets.

Why would you need to see the holes "with the naked eye"? why not use the scope you have on the gun? I use my Leshiy with the small March 1-10x - it is light and you could use it to see the holes better - or of course use Splatterburst targets so you can see the impacts better - lots of inexpensive versions on Amazon in 50 or 100 packs.

I originally bought the .177 barrel for mine as well, but have never put it on - I have enjoyed the .22 so much. I do have a bunch of .177 ammo for another gun and is a lot of the H&N and I rarely find issues with the pellets - I see more issues with my larger tins of .22 JSB than anything else, as far as skirts with dents and such.

Thank you for your input Dave! I just ordered replacement jets from Wolfiek Group Edgun shop earlier today for their Black Friday sale but I appreciate you alerting me to that though! The seeing the holes in paper at distance is so I can shoot with friends and see the hits but with further thought I’m thinking 20 yards is quite far for the naked eye so that’s probably an unrealistic number. But I think I’d still have the same general question. Does it seem like paper punching is substantially easier to see with .22 over .177 or basically negligible. Also good to know about your experience with .22 vs .177 pellets!

 

[DaveSa]

well most of the time when I am target shooting it is at 50 yards - which the .22 makes very fun - I also have a 600mm FX Impact with a high mag scope - and it will do better than the leshiy - but the idea of the semi auto, and the ability to fold make the Leshiy super fun - like you I wanted something with a small footprint when not in use - I could put it in a backpack as you state. I made a Pelican 1495 briefcase for mine for storage or transport. Once the gun is taken apart into the 3 main parts - tank, grip, moderator - it fits the 1495 great. I can even add a bipod and a tin of pellets just fine. Also I have the 300cc bottle on mine, but they have a slightly larger bottle available now too that would increase your shot count even more.

On quiet - i have the Huma MOD50 ( Hornet) version and it is quiet - although next to the gun it seems a bit louder because you are right next to the magazine indexing. If you have a friend shoot it and you walk off 10-15 feet - that would be a better test of how loud it actually is.

 

[Bernie7]

Yeah I just posted in the Black Friday thread the Edgun shop has the 470cc bottle for $227. I just bought mine like 2 weeks ago at full price

Also I’m trying to find more info on the dog bone and collar piece. Dave - any chance you have a thorough understanding of those two pieces? It appears I need them for a lower power tune. I found them here:
https://www.edgun.shop/products/leshiy-2-spare-parts-new-forward-plug-lsa242200 part numbers 32 and 33.

 

[delooper]

I was about to buy some "Black Friday Sale" items at Edgun Spain. . . but then I saw the shipping charges! $151 for a small box, doubling the price of my order. Yikes! I think I'll wait.