N/A Effect of sorting with TX200

I have been using AA Field Heavy 10.3 grain in 4.52mm for about 9 months now. They have generally functioned well for me. But, they seem to do better sorted by weight. I typically buy 4 tins of 500 at a time. I sort to 1/10th of a grain.

However, the last batch or two I received have been less consistent it seems. While weights have been pretty typical, the variation seems to be with head size. They seem more variable and fit looser. I suspected some of this is contributing to performance inconsistency.

Today I set up at my usual 50-yards using a 1 inch bull with 1/2 inch "X" ring for testing. All pellets were from AA Field Heavy 10.3 grain in 4.52mm lots. I weight sort to 1/10th grain. I used a batch sorted to 10.3 grain and another sorted to 10.5 grain. The 10.3 was from a recent lot, the 10.5 from an older lot.

I shot six 5-shot groups each with the 10.3 batch and then the 10.5 batch. The 10.3 were much looser fitting and had variation in fit. The 10.5 were relatively tight fitting and appeared more consistent.

The batch the 10.3 were, according to my pellet sizer, not 4.52mm for the most part but closer to 4.50 or 4.51 in general. I did not check the older 10.5 batch as they were tight fitting already.

The results suggest that weight sorting to 1/10th grain makes a difference with my rig. This was noted by seeing the 10.3 batch consistently shoot higher than the 10.5 batch.

The results also suggested there was greater variation in group size with the 10.3 batch than the 10.5 batch. There were several extreme flyers with the 10.3 batch. The 10.5 batch typically saw smaller groups with less variation for the 10.5 batch.

I am not sure if there has been some changes with production or if it is just the luck of the draw.

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In July purchased 8 additional tins of AA pellets from PA. Though newly purchased, all are old stock dated years 2020 or 2021. Have so far sorted for size 3 tins of DFH, nominally 4.52mm 10.3gr and one tin of DF, nominally 4.52mm 8.4gr.

Dates formatted day.month.year.

AA DFH 24.8.2020 4.52mm
1.3% 4.54mm; 4% 4.53mm; 76.8% 4.52mm; 17.7% 4.51mm

AA DFH 24.8.2020 4.52mm
4.6% 4.54mm; 18.6% 4.53mm; 66.2% 4.52mm; 10.6% 4.51mm.

AA DFH 25.5.2021 4.52mm
3% 4.54mm; 18.4% 4.53%; 58.6% 4.52mm; 20% 4.51mm.

AA DF 20.9.2021 4.52mm
8.2% larger than 4.55mm; 82.8% 4.55 mm; 9% 4.54mm

Upper limit of Pelletgage is 4.55mm. 8% of Diablo Field pellets exceeded that size. None were close to stated nominal size.

Sizing in the two 2021 lots is terrible.
 
Last month I decided to not shoot FT anymore but when I did I smoothed out the pellet skirts the night before the shoot.
Doc Beeman always preached the skirt was the most important part of the pellet.
I used a 1/4” RCA jack adaptor.
It made the pellets seat the same every time in the TX:

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demand go's up quality suffers, If the pellets are not available then people look to a different pellet . A machine is designed to run at a certain speed . increase that speed by just a little and quality is down . run the same machine 24/7 same thing happens . That's not saying about the human factor .
 
demand go's up quality suffers, If the pellets are not available then people look to a different pellet . A machine is designed to run at a certain speed . increase that speed by just a little and quality is down . run the same machine 24/7 same thing happens . That's not saying about the human factor .
They use optical inspection devices so they are adjusted to allow lesser quality to pass. The dies that makevthe pellets also wears with time and rather than spending 100K to build a new one, they just keep running as long as the pellet is still selling. Same ole been going on for years...
 
What type of velocity are you getting and is the gun stock?

I have not run it on the chronograph in the last week. Last I checked it shoots the 8.4 (~900fps) and 10.3 (~800 fps). The SD for both is about 4fps. It is a stock rifle save the addition of a 3mm spacer in front of the top hat.
 
Myself and my shooting buddy are both long time pb br shooters. I shoot a TX, he shoots a 97. We have been using different methods to refine our groups at 20 meters. We have both rejected measuring head size.We shoot lots of 5 shot groups that measure in the zeros....less than .1 c to c. We have eliminated random flyers where we felt it was a correctly executed shot by doing a combination of 2 things. Sorting by weight and lubing. With sorting by weight the bigger difference maker of the 2. I determine the weight range of a lot then sort by the center of the range over a .08 gr spread with minuses on one side and pluses on the other. Each grouping is as accurate as the others. This is after 1000s of shots. Magic fps regardless of pellet for us is 800 fps. After changing springs, gaining 100 fps and losing a bit of accuracy I picked a 2 grain heavier pellet of the same brand which put me right back to 800 fps and excellent accuracy. The pellet gauges accuracy wise do not excite me, might work for others, if so great.Hope this helps some one. This shooting is all indoors at 22 or 25 yards. We test a lot at 25 but our matches are at 22.
 
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I often lube as well, and agree that this does make up for headsize in many ways. It does reduce flyers for me as well. The pellets used here were unlubed. Lube may function by creating the centering effect head size plays. I could see that happening. I generally use bees wax. I have not found that weight sorting beyond 0.1 grain (1/10th) grain changes things. I just sort to the nearest tenth.

 
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Another size i been trying is pellet length top of head to base of skirt . Anyway my r9 seems .50 (+/-.01 error) so then i check head to tail . Not conclusive but seems pellets sorted in same head and length looked to do a tad better the just head size only mixed ..

I dont weight , but maybe that could squeeze out another mm in a grouping ?..😉

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Another size i been trying is pellet length top of head to base of skirt . Anyway my r9 seems .50 (+/-.01 error) so then i check head to tail . Not conclusive but seems pellets sorted in same head and length looked to do a tad better the just head size only mixed ..

I dont weight , but maybe that could squeeze out another mm in a grouping ?..😉

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Weight sorting has been the thing I found shifts the POI the most so far. About 0.01 grain is about 1/2" to 3/4" at 50 yards for me.

Here is an example of the 0.1 gran difference I see.

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Not bad this thread and wind made me grab tin of cphp and culled a handful of .50 head and matched length one group same short and one same long and one just same head size mixed length .. each same long or short shot better then the same head bit mixed length. ( So far preliminary few tries)

I dont have a scale for adding same weight. But that could help improve that more. This popup thunderstorm and hot sweat buckets kinda dampens shooting . Even early morning coffee sipping shooting is miserable humid hot ..lol.

Anyway i figured wile checking heafs why not flip the pellet and check length while your there .. just addes to that consistency factor . Lol