Effect of Wind on Pellet

Jump to latest Follow Reply
That the charts are “charts”? That’s a given, whether they help a shooter? Is a proven “fact”… That winds are “ever variable“ also a fact. So the chart is simply a useful tool for shooters to use at their discretion. I know said chart has made me a better shooter. Do I still miss in varying winds? Yes, plenty and often, but I also get many satisfying hits, holding off for wind…🙏
 
  • Like
Reactions: coastal drifter, cavedweller and SilentSquirrel
Upvote 0
ChefSparrowRagazzi said:
That chart is the biggest scam in shooting history. It would be fine if wind was constant. Or if wind only moved in the direction of the pointers on the chart. That's not what wind does. It's turbulence. And it's not a constant variable. Light a small fire in 3 places along a 50 yard path. Then watch the smoke. You will find that this chart means 0- nada- zilch.
Click to expand...
Guaranteed!
You would hate sailing!
 
Upvote 0
Think of the chart as a guide
It shows you the effect wind from specific directions will have on a pellet.

Then it's your job to know what the wind is doing at the moment you pull the trigger.
It cannot get any more straight forward than that

just my tup pence
Edward
 
  • Like
Reactions: cavedweller, drpietrzak, JohnTaylor and 3 others
Upvote 0
SilentSquirrel said:
Think of the chart as a guide
It shows you the effect wind from specific directions will have on a pellet.

Then it's your job to know what the wind is doing at the moment you pull the trigger.
It cannot get any more straight forward than that

just my tup pence
Edward
Click to expand...
So ok. You guys win! The chart is the Holy Grail, when it comes to TURBULENCE. Even after someone just admitted that he misses. while using the chart.
But it made him a better shooter.
You can't make this stuff up. But someone did. And its gone on for too long.
 
Upvote 0
ChefSparrowRagazzi said:
So ok. You guys win! The chart is the Holy Grail, when it comes to TURBULENCE. Even after someone just admitted that he misses. while using the chart.
But it made him a better shooter.
You can't make this stuff up. But someone did. And its gone on for too long.
Click to expand...
No one said the chart was the “Holy Grail” … You did! Its just a guide is all… you are being deliberately obtuse…🙄
 
  • Like
Reactions: Dan B, BABz58, Star7 and 3 others
Upvote 0
ChefSparrowRagazzi said:
That chart is the biggest scam in shooting history. It would be fine if wind was constant. Or if wind only moved in the direction of the pointers on the chart. That's not what wind does. It's turbulence. And it's not a constant variable. Light a small fire in 3 places along a 50 yard path. Then watch the smoke. You will find that this chart means 0- nada- zilch.
Click to expand...


Jason,

I hear you, I feel you!!

֍ Wind messed up so many of my otherwise perfectly small groups! 😖

֍ Wind saved the lives of so many of my quarry! 🤦🏻‍♂️

֍ Wind plays with my projectiles, and my feelings! 🥴

֍ Wind is our worst enemy! 😡


I get it. You are frustrated at how difficult it is to compensate for wind. — Me too: I am frustrated! 😵


➠ And it helps to vent those frustrations....

I already feel much better. 😊


Happy and successful shooting, Jason! 💪🏼

Matthias



PS:
The fact remains that wind affects pellets differently then slugs (airgun and firearm) — provided the direction of the barrel twist is the same.
The charts posted above show in which way the wind affects the different projectiles.
They are pure science.
All we have to do is apply it.

However, if wind drastically switches directions every few seconds, there isn't much science you can apply for compensation — it becomes more and more a chasing after dumb luck. (Ask the casino gamblers how well that's going for them.... 😉)
 
Upvote 0
L.Leon said:
No one said the chart was the “Holy Grail” … You did! Its just a guide is all… you are being deliberately obtuse…🙄
Click to expand...
No. I'm deliberately refuting a claim that, " The information in those charts is used by every single successful precision BR shooter on the planet....for every shot.
We have also been known to use , " sighters" often. More often than that chart. And, more successfully than that chart.
JungleShooter said:
Jason,

I hear you, I feel you!!

֍ Wind messed up so many of my otherwise perfectly small groups! 😖

֍ Wind saved the lives of so many of my quarry! 🤦🏻‍♂️

֍ Wind plays with my projectiles, and my feelings! 🥴

֍ Wind is our worst enemy! 😡


I get it. You are frustrated at how difficult it is to compensate for wind. — Me too: I am frustrated! 😵


➠ And it helps to vent those frustrations....

I already feel much better. 😊


Happy and successful shooting, Jason! 💪🏼

Matthias



PS:
The fact remains that wind affects pellets differently then slugs (airgun and firearm) — provided the direction of the barrel twist is the same.
The charts posted above show in which way the wind affects the different projectiles.
They are pure science.
All we have to do is apply it.

However, if wind drastically switches directions every few seconds, there isn't much science you can apply for compensation — it becomes more and more a chasing after dumb luck. (Ask the casino gamblers how well that's going for them.... 😉)
Click to expand...
Exactly, THIS.
 
Upvote 0
  • Like
Reactions: Star7, alejo, SilentSquirrel and 1 other person
Upvote 0
nervoustrig said:
No, your original claim was:

Which is a laughably erroneous assertion.
Click to expand...
I would challenge you to pick up your gun, go sit at a bench and apply the magic chart, " on every shot" during a timed event, on a turbulent day. Sighters are not allowed. Only the magic chart is allowed. Do that, then have a rangemaster tally up your scores, sign off on your scores and then post them here. I would laughably , erroneously, venture to assert that they won't be all that good. When or if that happens, I will be happy to revisit this thread.
Until then, Merry Christmas to all of you..........and your families.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
ChefSparrowRagazzi said:
I would challenge you to pick up your gun, go sit at a bench and apply the magic chart, " on every shot" during a timed event, on a turbulent day. Sighters are not allowed. Only the magic chart is allowed. Do that, then have a rangemaster tally up your scores, sign off on your scores and then post them here. I would laughably , erroneously, venture to assert that they won't be all that good. When or if that happens, I will be happy to revisit this thread.
Click to expand...


Wow, you're still frustrated and mad at the wind....
Sorry, I admit WIND IS frustrating! 😡


So, science gets the blame....


Please, do understand that no-one on this thread is saying that compensating for wind:
▪ is easy(!)
▪ only requires a little formula or nifty diagram to make sub-moa shots
▪ doesn't require much, much experience of actual watching the wind and shooting in it


● The more predictable the wind is — the more the diagram helps.
But:
● The less predictable the wind becomes — the less the diagram will help — because it's become more and more just luck (dumb or otherwise)....


Merry Christmas, 👍🏼

Matthias
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: alejo
Upvote 0
ChefSparrowRagazzi said:
I would challenge you to pick up your gun, go sit at a bench and apply the magic chart, " on every shot" during a timed event, on a turbulent day. Sighters are not allowed. Only the magic chart is allowed. Do that, then have a rangemaster tally up your scores, sign off on your scores and then post them here. I would laughably , erroneously, venture to assert that they won't be all that good. When or if that happens, I will be happy to revisit this thread.
Until then, Merry Christmas to all of you..........and your families.
Click to expand...
I thought this was about a chart? Now, its a personal challenge? Or words like “on every shot”, “magic chart”? You are really reaching now… Wow! And a Merry Combatative Christmas to you too…🫣
 
Upvote 0
I have the privilege to shoot along side an NRA 6400 Prone national champion and world record holder.

He has the jump chart for small bore in his memory and he shades his shots based on: wind direction and speed ~3 ft from the muzzle, down range wind indicator ribbons, and mirage at the target.

Wind speed and direction at the muzzle establishes the initial trajectory of the round, range wind will modify that trajectory.

Steve is who he is because he sends thousands of rounds down range every year under different wind conditions and reinforces what he knows with every shot.

And what he knows and practices is the practical application of theory.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Dan B and alejo
Upvote 0
This is just a general audience response...I'm not responding to the post above.

The value of the chart is in the vertical component of the crosswinds...which is called aerodynamic jump. Holding left for a left to right wind is intuitive enough. Holding low and left in a left to right wind with a pellet gun and a rh twist barrel is not intuitive. Holding high in a right to left using the same gun is not intuitive.

If you pay attention to the targets at a ft match toward the end of the day when they are all shot up...you'll notice that the concentration of misses on the longer targets will be high if the wind has been coming from the left. This is because aerodynamic jump is a real thing that most experienced shooters account for...and less experienced don't.

The best solution is to use the absolute least amount of twist that you can get away with..and learn what your individual setup does.

In a field target setting it's very common for the sight in range to be facing a different direction than the course. If you travel by plane...you cannot trust your scope zero by the time you get there. The most important thing that you can do is check your dope by shooting your zero, your 10y, and your 55y and make sure your elevation (and windage) is perfect for those distances. It's unlikely that you are going to have calm conditions in which to do that...so aerodynamic jump becomes an important thing to factor in if you want to make sure you won't be off vertically when the wind changes direction.

There's more too it than that...but it's just a little insight as to why experienced shooters knock down more long targets than less experienced shooters.

As the wind increases in strength....the jump becomes a bigger factor.

A 1:14 twist barrel has more jump than a 1:18.

Mike
 
  • Like
Reactions: BABz58, nervoustrig, r1lover and 6 others
Upvote 0
I was going to leave this thread. And well, I got to thinking about it.
Seeing as how I rattled the hornets nest.
I wanted to apologize to you guys for my forum demeanor. Sometimes I type and wish I could go back and revise my thoughts , but by that time the horse has already left the barn.
Some valid points have been made here. Aerodynamic jump for instance. Which cannot be fully accounted for, at all. It will/could/might get you closer. Sometimes a lot closer. But not every time. The effects of wind are the effects of turbulence , which can change every 1 yard , or less, down the range. It changes a lot as the right hand twisted projectile travels 50-100 yards down range.
Anyways, I didn't mean to come off as combative.
You guys , be well.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: coastal drifter, beerthief, Berserkeley Mike and 5 others
Upvote 0
ChefSparrowRagazzi said:
I wanted to apologize to you guys for my forum demeanor.
Sometimes I type and wish I could go back and revise my thoughts , but by that time the horse has already left the barn.
Anyways, I didn't mean to come off as combative.
You guys , be well.
Click to expand...


Jason,

thanks for writing that.
As far as I am concerned, you're forgiven. 👍🏼
(We all have our days when our words and/or tone come out less than ideal.)

Hang in there! 😊

Matthias
 
  • Like
Reactions: beerthief, alejo and ToddGeddes63
Upvote 0
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom
Back
Home
Forums
Resources
Menu