Yes, it helps, except you also have some guns with rounded stocks which meld into the bipod yokes pretty snuggly, and shooters who rest the yoke on their guns airtube or air bottle also achieve an advantage of stability….. so?
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EFT, who wants it?
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Think about what you are saying. A flat lands on a flat surface every time. A round or rounded will not always land the same in a y or v bi-pod.
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A V-shaped forend/handguard would tend to land with the same angular orientation in a V-shaped yoke that had a corresponding/same V-angle.
Flat-on-flat or V-in-V would then require that precise cant angle be adjusted using the bipod legs.
I thinks it’s easier/faster to set the cant with a rounded forend in a V-shaped yoke.
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Currently and have been using a V shaped attachment on my hunter FT rigs that fit the Trigger sticks yoke for many years now.
YES it takes altering legs length Side/Side to get cant level & becomes part of the lane to lane regiment.
* Forward of stock a 90* V block with a stop edge.
YES it takes altering legs length Side/Side to get cant level & becomes part of the lane to lane regiment.
* Forward of stock a 90* V block with a stop edge.
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Only the "Non Sheep" of the world think outside the box figuring out the true edges of there containment pasture being ( Rules / laws etc ... )
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That picture represents the type of cancer AAFTA has. (equipment race)Which old guy can spend the most money and, in turn, kill the sport long-term? God forbid, tell them they all have to do the same or compete on a level playing field. I caught all kinds of grief when I started Extreme FT because I make EVERYONE shoot from a bucket/stool-type setting position. Now everyone loves it. In over 4 years, we have had no dominant caliber, person, or type of ammo, slug, pellet, or .22 rimfire. So, like I told the nay-sayers, get enough shooters to have your division. I want to create an INCLUSIVE sport/event, not an equipment race.
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I built race cars; it is not what the rule book says: “It is what it doesn’t say"Only the "Non Sheep" of the world think outside the box figuring out the true edges of there containment pasture being ( Rules / laws etc ... )
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No square bottomed bipod attachments for a square bottomed gun to sit in. Them's the rules.
The history here is that VERY early in the long range/high power FT game, a shooter showed up to a match with a flat bottomed bipod and a square forend that keyed perfectly down inside that bipod. It's been 4 or so years so memory is foggy but I'm pretty sure he ended up using it that day, and he concluded that it did indeed present an unfair advantage, and he didn't use it from that point on. We may have even voted on it, the active shooters at that formative time for the rules.
The more general back story is that, since the beginning of long range/high power field target at Phoenix Rod and Gun Club (where it all began) Ben has espoused an umbrella attitude of fairness and inclusivity. We all shoot from the same position, using simple V yoked bipods and the shooters choice of a backless seat/stool/bucket. It's fun and people enjoy it, to the point that matches are held across the country now because of, and based on, what Ben started. Ben wanted long range high power field target to be much more than a once a year side match where only a small handful of people got to experience it. It's been a convoluted road but folks are enjoying it across the country now, with matches being held throughout the year, going by a handful of different names.
A big part of that success is that the UFT rules on the position we shoot from and the equipment we use to support the gun is very prescriptive. This extremely clear rules language makes it difficult for the rule-benders to find a loophole. It upsets those that like to walk the line with legality, but it satisfies the majority of shooters who aren't trying to make up for practice by finding loopholes in the rules. The offshoot organization from Ben's matches that is also holding long range/high power matches chose to adopt this rule, disallowing square bottomed bipods as well ("hog saddles" in their rule book).
The history here is that VERY early in the long range/high power FT game, a shooter showed up to a match with a flat bottomed bipod and a square forend that keyed perfectly down inside that bipod. It's been 4 or so years so memory is foggy but I'm pretty sure he ended up using it that day, and he concluded that it did indeed present an unfair advantage, and he didn't use it from that point on. We may have even voted on it, the active shooters at that formative time for the rules.
The more general back story is that, since the beginning of long range/high power field target at Phoenix Rod and Gun Club (where it all began) Ben has espoused an umbrella attitude of fairness and inclusivity. We all shoot from the same position, using simple V yoked bipods and the shooters choice of a backless seat/stool/bucket. It's fun and people enjoy it, to the point that matches are held across the country now because of, and based on, what Ben started. Ben wanted long range high power field target to be much more than a once a year side match where only a small handful of people got to experience it. It's been a convoluted road but folks are enjoying it across the country now, with matches being held throughout the year, going by a handful of different names.
A big part of that success is that the UFT rules on the position we shoot from and the equipment we use to support the gun is very prescriptive. This extremely clear rules language makes it difficult for the rule-benders to find a loophole. It upsets those that like to walk the line with legality, but it satisfies the majority of shooters who aren't trying to make up for practice by finding loopholes in the rules. The offshoot organization from Ben's matches that is also holding long range/high power matches chose to adopt this rule, disallowing square bottomed bipods as well ("hog saddles" in their rule book).
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Yes, and now we have brought the short-range AAFTA and Long-range Xtreme types together in the same match. Also, if you want to shoot low to mid-power 50ftlb max, you can simultaneously shoot a short- and long-range combination. This makes it a 72-shot match: pellet or slug. No .22 rimfire allowed as it is over the 50ftlb max limit for the FULL MONTY. That is the Ultimate fun, which is why we call it ULTIMAT FIELD TARGET. Some variances (because of surroundings, distances, and backstops ) will supposedly start in upstate New York and Texas. It is all about having fun in a family sport and growing that sport as much as possible. So anyone can start a UFT match; let's grow this sport, not airgun kingpins’ wallets.
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Yes, been thinking about this too much actually. And experimenting with different options.
I probably should take some pictures this weekend if time permits.
The other thing I have seen people do is use a little piece of foam or tiny sandbag like a hacky sack, which allows the stock to settle in.
In the grand scheme of things, it will be pretty hard to prevent creative people from trying all sorts of things in attempt to create the perfect bipod… after all, Airgunners are creative beasts.
I guess what I’m implying here is that standardization of the interface between bipod and gun will be really hard.
That said, I totally understand the intention behind this “rule”.
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I hear lots of babbling about the “arms race” but quite frankly, you really can’t buy accuracy, as after a certain point, only training can deal with breathing cycles and overall positional stability.
My personal perspective is somewhat different, in that you can’t, and shouldn’t, try to regulate the amount of money people invest in their equipment.
It’s good for newbies to see amazing ingenuity and equipment in play! Then there is something to aspire towards or save money for. Heck they may (create) something even more clever in their hobby lobby free time.
A more simplistic comparison might involve rules limiting the quality of the “barrel” and regulator and trigger types as these most definitely increase costs and precision. I digress. I want to grow Airgun field target as a whole and have spent considerable money just to acquire targets and other support equipment - and haven’t even got the land to set up a course “yet”.
@Franklink your home made shooting sticks represent the most simplified and inexpensive shooting sticks around and you’re still a great shot, but your true advantage comes from two things #1) a great Airgun, and #2) lots of practice.
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When you hear people say comments like Field Target is a equipment race and cancer, it just reflects on their shortcomings as a FT shooter.
We all know depending on where you're at in your shooting career probably has A LOT to do with the equipment you choose to use. Most newer people in the sport probably do not have as much invested compared to a person who has been doing it for awhile and is more committed to it. Just like any sport we evolve and get different equipment. With that equipment I guarantee your scores do not go up without the commitment of learning that rifle or scope and practice that goes along with it. Id be willing to bet the people that are on top of the leader boards in any AAFTA GP have done their due diligence practicing regardless of the equipment they use.
We all know depending on where you're at in your shooting career probably has A LOT to do with the equipment you choose to use. Most newer people in the sport probably do not have as much invested compared to a person who has been doing it for awhile and is more committed to it. Just like any sport we evolve and get different equipment. With that equipment I guarantee your scores do not go up without the commitment of learning that rifle or scope and practice that goes along with it. Id be willing to bet the people that are on top of the leader boards in any AAFTA GP have done their due diligence practicing regardless of the equipment they use.
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@Centercut - i have been frequently checking the above listed EFT site and have yet to see any 2025 info published? Attendance at EFT events generally involves significant time off work and expense to travel.... thus must be planned way in advance as it's not just retired people playing the game. Who is responsible for updating the extreme schedule? or better yet... where can an interested shooter actually see planned 2025 events and their locations? Thanks in advance.
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I would but I don’t have access to update the web site for 2025. It would be MUCH better if I did but no bueno.
So the answer is AoA. Plus there is only ONE person at AoA that can do it and it is not delegated to anyone else.
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