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EFT, who wants it?

By foreseeing the potential depths and detours of this thread from the get-go, and (consequently) deciding to avoid it in order to finally get around to sorting my sock drawer, I've saved enough time in the ensuing months to now be nearing perfection of my perpetual-motion machine, cure for cancers (except Equipment-Race Syndrome), World Peacifier (runs on whirled peas), and unlimited-power eternal battery (powered by BS).

Oops... almost forgot. Also my multi-caliber, Red Ryder based, AAFTA/EFT/UFT Pistol/Carbine Convertible.

Oh sh🤬🤬!!!

STILL
haven't sorted my sock drawer. 🥲

Well, DANG! Maybe I should draw up a design for that Priority Organizizer idea instead. Where did I put my pencil...

So I couldn't possibly lose it?

CAUTION! Grate mind(s) at work here.

Happy Shooting, Y'all! (y)
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Unfortunately all of my xft rifles have flat bottoms because of the chassis. I built a flat bottom pad specifically for those rifles. I don't believe it gives me any more of an advantage than wedging a Bottle Into the u-shaped holder on a standard bipod. So if I shoot xft I would just automatically disqualify myself because I'm not changing my setup just for this event. It works for the other long range field Target events and also for AFTA Hunter class. If a perceived Advantage is the criteria then why not have a single caliber single Power Scope single pellet power requirement and that gives nobody any kind of perceived advantage?
 
Certainly! Here’s a detailed explanation of why a V-type bipod can be a disadvantage compared to a flat-bottom rifle on a flat bipod base, particularly concerning rifle canting and its effect on accuracy:





1. Rifle Canting and Stability





• V-Type Bipod: The “V” shape cradles the rifle but does not provide a flat, stable reference plane for the rifle stock to rest upon. This makes it easier for the rifle to cant (tilt to the left or right), especially if the shooter applies uneven pressure or if the bipod legs are on uneven ground. The “V” shape also lacks lateral support, increasing the chance of unintentional movement.


• Flat Base Bipod: A flat-bottom rifle on a flat bipod base offers a broader, stable surface area, which significantly reduces the tendency of the rifle to cant. The flat surface acts as a natural guide to keep the rifle aligned vertically.





2. Consistency in Point of Aim





• V-Type Bipod: When the rifle cants, the scope’s reticle no longer aligns perfectly with the vertical and horizontal planes of the target. This misalignment causes the trajectory of the pellet or bullet to veer off-course, leading to missed shots, especially at longer distances.


• Flat Base Bipod: The flat-bottom rifle and flat base encourage consistent alignment. With less chance of canting, the reticle stays true to the target’s planes, improving accuracy and consistency.





3. Contact Pressure





• V-Type Bipod: The contact area between the rifle stock and the bipod is small and concentrated. This uneven pressure distribution can cause subtle shifts in the rifle’s position upon recoil or even from slight user input. These shifts can further exaggerate canting or other inaccuracies.


• Flat Base Bipod: A flat-bottom rifle paired with a flat bipod base spreads the contact pressure evenly. This setup minimizes shifts during recoil and keeps the rifle’s alignment stable.





4. Shooter Ergonomics and Muscle Input





• V-Type Bipod: Because the rifle can more easily tilt in the “V,” the shooter must exert more muscle input to keep the rifle level. This additional effort increases fatigue and introduces variability into the shooting process, particularly during longer sessions.


• Flat Base Bipod: With the flat surfaces working together, the shooter does not need to actively counteract canting, allowing for a more relaxed and natural shooting posture. This reduces fatigue and improves consistency.





5. Effect on Long-Range Precision





• Canting errors are amplified at longer ranges. A small tilt of the rifle can result in significant lateral deviation on the target downrange. The flat-bottom setup minimizes this risk, making it especially critical for precision shooting disciplines.





Conclusion





A V-type bipod introduces variables that can compromise accuracy, including increased susceptibility to canting and uneven pressure distribution. A flat-bottom rifle on a flat bipod base, however, creates a stable, consistent platform, ensuring the rifle remains level, the reticle stays aligned with the target, and accuracy is maximized. For any discipline emphasizing precision, the flat-base system provides a clear advantage.
 
Certainly! Here’s a detailed explanation of why a V-type bipod can be a disadvantage compared to a flat-bottom rifle on a flat bipod base, particularly concerning rifle canting and its effect on accuracy:





1. Rifle Canting and Stability





• V-Type Bipod: The “V” shape cradles the rifle but does not provide a flat, stable reference plane for the rifle stock to rest upon. This makes it easier for the rifle to cant (tilt to the left or right), especially if the shooter applies uneven pressure or if the bipod legs are on uneven ground. The “V” shape also lacks lateral support, increasing the chance of unintentional movement.


• Flat Base Bipod: A flat-bottom rifle on a flat bipod base offers a broader, stable surface area, which significantly reduces the tendency of the rifle to cant. The flat surface acts as a natural guide to keep the rifle aligned vertically.





2. Consistency in Point of Aim





• V-Type Bipod: When the rifle cants, the scope’s reticle no longer aligns perfectly with the vertical and horizontal planes of the target. This misalignment causes the trajectory of the pellet or bullet to veer off-course, leading to missed shots, especially at longer distances.


• Flat Base Bipod: The flat-bottom rifle and flat base encourage consistent alignment. With less chance of canting, the reticle stays true to the target’s planes, improving accuracy and consistency.





3. Contact Pressure





• V-Type Bipod: The contact area between the rifle stock and the bipod is small and concentrated. This uneven pressure distribution can cause subtle shifts in the rifle’s position upon recoil or even from slight user input. These shifts can further exaggerate canting or other inaccuracies.


• Flat Base Bipod: A flat-bottom rifle paired with a flat bipod base spreads the contact pressure evenly. This setup minimizes shifts during recoil and keeps the rifle’s alignment stable.





4. Shooter Ergonomics and Muscle Input





• V-Type Bipod: Because the rifle can more easily tilt in the “V,” the shooter must exert more muscle input to keep the rifle level. This additional effort increases fatigue and introduces variability into the shooting process, particularly during longer sessions.


• Flat Base Bipod: With the flat surfaces working together, the shooter does not need to actively counteract canting, allowing for a more relaxed and natural shooting posture. This reduces fatigue and improves consistency.





5. Effect on Long-Range Precision





• Canting errors are amplified at longer ranges. A small tilt of the rifle can result in significant lateral deviation on the target downrange. The flat-bottom setup minimizes this risk, making it especially critical for precision shooting disciplines.





Conclusion





A V-type bipod introduces variables that can compromise accuracy, including increased susceptibility to canting and uneven pressure distribution. A flat-bottom rifle on a flat bipod base, however, creates a stable, consistent platform, ensuring the rifle remains level, the reticle stays aligned with the target, and accuracy is maximized. For any discipline emphasizing precision, the flat-base system provides a clear advantage.
It would seem anyone could have a bipod of their choice as long as it falls free as anyone could for little to nothing in cost create an interface which fits their gun perfectly 1 1/2” max flat surface is / was the rule?
Cant can always result from uneven terrain in which case the flat bottom is actually a disadvantage
 
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It would seem anyone could have a bipod of their choice as long as it falls free as anyone could for little to nothing in cost create an interface which fits their gun perfectly 1 1/2” max flat surface is / was the rule?
Cant can always result from uneven terrain in which case the flat bottom is actually a disadvantage
see the above post . As explained by AI it is clearly an advantage. Shooter Ergonomics and Muscle Input
 
not saying that at all. just yanking your chain! considering the rule was apparently put in place after one person's input regarding the rule, maybe it should be revisited.

also, not real impressed that you needed AI to came up with your reasoning. you should have already had your reasons four years ago, before AI.

I will agree that it is your event and you can make the rules, and i will follow them. just not sure they are valid now that we see a lot more chassis type guns with rails and not the standard stocks with a curved foreend (sp?). i can drop my chassis into a curved bipod head and it will probably not cant. is that legal? as technology increases, rule changes follow. that's all.
 
you implicate my integrity all while never saying a word about others that allow illegal things. (Exmple) a new gun that is not yet avaible to the public but a sponsored shooter still got to use it and place in the money. What did that manufacturer get for early shipping one of the first guns. They like many others got their gun copied and eventually hijacked. I also have always involved my participating shooters to suggest and vote on changes. What other match directors/sponsoring thieves do that. Yet you put my integrity in question. Ya ok Happy New Year and I will pray for you.
 
I never did or would question your integrity. Sometimes I just like starting a discussion to see where it goes. my point being that the advantage is minimal at most. every sport out there is going to have somebody with an advantage. whether it is physical or mechanical, really does not matter.

a new gun is available? what better way to introduce it than to bring it to a competition. should I complain about youngsters that can see better than me? or people that can afford a better gun? no. all of those are advantages that are not going to be equalized by rules. it can be tried, but that's the way competitions go.

I'm looking forward to making it down this month and consider this just a lively discussion!😁
 
see the above post . As explained by AI it is clearly an advantage. Shooter Ergonomics and Muscle Input
“AI” doesn’t sit behind a scope on uneven terrain, on a wobbly bucket, or live in an old body, or have to deal with glasses. Yes in a perfect non variable world, ok, but the reality is a trigger stick bipod is a much greater advantage for leveling cant than a non adjustable bipod with a flat rest. IMO.