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Started preparing for the OR competition first weekend in May. One of those events is the 100Y BR Slug. I’m going to shoot the Orange Crush EVO .22 at that one, Altaros @Altaros 40 grain Kings at 905 fps. First EBR card I shot with it today in medium swirly winds (7 mph L-R gust to 13) was a 241-9x. Last year I came in 4th with .25 Altaros 49.5 grain Smooth from my Panthera 234-5x (1st was 236). I don’t think that will cut it this year. My guess is top 3 will need to go deep at 240+ unless we have crazy winds.

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Centercut said:
Started preparing for the OR competition first weekend in May. One of those events is the 100Y BR Slug. I’m going to shoot the Orange Crush EVO .22 at that one, Altaros @Altaros 40 grain Kings at 905 fps. First EBR card I shot with it today in medium swirly winds (7 mph L-R gust to 13) was a 241-9x. Last year I came in 4th with .25 Altaros 49.5 grain Smooth from my Panthera 234-5x (1st was 236). I don’t think that will cut it this year. My guess is top 3 will need to go deep at 240+ unless we have crazy winds.

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A .22 with the Altaros are the popular choice for Oregon accroding to the sign up
Nice,tight shots that got better with each target!
I definitely need more practice with slugs, but those Altaros are performers!
Looks like you have some weird attachment to the cheek piece ..no depth of field..lol
Sure was a nice day
 
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Centercut said:
Started preparing for the OR competition first weekend in May. One of those events is the 100Y BR Slug. I’m going to shoot the Orange Crush EVO .22 at that one, Altaros @Altaros 40 grain Kings at 905 fps. First EBR card I shot with it today in medium swirly winds (7 mph L-R gust to 13) was a 241-9x. Last year I came in 4th with .25 Altaros 49.5 grain Smooth from my Panthera 234-5x (1st was 236). I don’t think that will cut it this year. My guess is top 3 will need to go deep at 240+ unless we have crazy winds.

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Whats in front of your bi-pod, also have you tried to shoot them faster.
 
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Centercut said:
Nope. Thats an old wive's tale...
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No, that's math.

Edit : Page 248 of Ryan M. Cleckner Book. "Similar to gravity, the bullet/ projectile is affected more by the wind. And long it is exposed. As an example, the bullet will be affected by the wind only a fraction of a second between the shooter and the target on the 100 yard (91.44 m) mark. On the other hand, between 700 and 800-yard lines, the slower bullet will be exposed to the wind for the longer amount of time.
 
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Lol ok, I mean it's common sense math like shooting 22lt subs vs. high velocity.
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Actually, it SEEMS like common sense. But unfortunately, ballistics and common sense sometimes don't go together. The old wive's tale is that the slug goes faster so that there is less time for the wind to affect it. Unfortunately, science (physics) doesn't work that way ballistically. What affects wind resistance is in most part BC, and BC is dependent on the rate of speed decrease, not the actual speed (for subsonic slugs/pellets). Look at the actual science and you might be surprised... LOL
 
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@CrashKT this might explain?

How Wind Causes Pellets to Drift

One thing which affects all shooters, but in particular the air gun shooter, is the effect of a cross wind giving downwind drift. Here I will try to explain in a simple way how downwind drift is produced and how it varies with range and speed so that readers may understand better how their...
www.airgunnation.com www.airgunnation.com
 
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Centercut said:
Actually, it SEEMS like common sense. But unfortunately, ballistics and common sense sometimes don't go together. The old wive's tale is that the slug goes faster so that there is less time for the wind to affect it. Unfortunately, science (physics) doesn't work that way ballistically. What affects wind resistance is in most part BC, and BC is dependent on the rate of speed decrease, not the actual speed (for subsonic slugs/pellets). Look at the actual science and you might be surprised... LOL
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Ok, so let go by your logic. If we both shot a 40gr slug at 100 yards. Yours is 1000fps and mine is 500fps. With everything else being the absolute same. You're telling me, that both of our projectiles would end up at the same exact POI?

Like, there are so may real world example of wind drift on a slower moving object being true.
 
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@CrashKT this might explain?

How Wind Causes Pellets to Drift

One thing which affects all shooters, but in particular the air gun shooter, is the effect of a cross wind giving downwind drift. Here I will try to explain in a simple way how downwind drift is produced and how it varies with range and speed so that readers may understand better how their...
www.airgunnation.com www.airgunnation.com
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He says it right her on the 3rd reply
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Exactly. I’m glad you see the science.

Look at a typical new generation .22 pellet AEA 21.9 grain with BC GA 0.058. 150 yards. 10 mph cross wind.
Speed 880. Drift 9.7 MOA
Speed 1030. Drift 10.3 MOA.

What? Damn physics. 😜 Maybe @Ballisticboy will weigh in again but as I am, he’s probably tired of explaining this over and over again. Believe what you want, as of course the Earth is flat and we never made it up the moon in 1969.
 
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Centercut said:
Exactly. I’m glad you see the science.

Look at a typical new generation .22 pellet AEA 21.9 grain with BC GA 0.058. 150 yards. 10 mph cross wind.
Speed 880. Drift 9.7 MOA
Speed 1030. Drift 10.3 MOA.

What? Damn physics. 😜
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Yes, when you exceed the limitations. But he even said it. 50Fps isn't overreaching. Like you're trying to skew my suggestion into out of proportion, then ignore that he is saying faster does help but can't exceed a certain limit.
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Yes, when you exceed the limitations. But he even said it. 50Fps isn't overreaching. Like you're trying to skew my suggestion into out of proportion, then ignore that he is saying faster does help but can't exceed a certain limit.View attachment 545926
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You’re entitled to ignore the science and focus on whatever taken out of context paragraph you want. Free country, at least for the time being.
 
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LOL at the wind err discussion, you guys need to try .177 at 780fps and less in gusting wind, further to my accuracy problems I bought a cheap LW un-choked barrel to try, and the result is still pretty rubbish about the same as the original Skout barrels, so I have now ordered a chocked LW barrel costing a fair bit more in a last ditch attempt to make this gun accurate, if it doesn't work I will have an expensive paperweight!
 
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