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Results Extreme American Field Target 11/28/20 Results (PHX, AZ)

Okay, match report is complete now. Sorry about the premature submission of incomplete version.

The third monthly Extreme American Field Target match took place yesterday, and this little gem of a pic is a pretty good encapsulation of how all the competitors seemed to feel about it:

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Phoenix Rod and Gun Club was nice enough to share their facility with us, located at 915 W Olney Ave, Phoenix, AZ 85041

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An aerial view of PHX Rod and Gun with the Extreme FT sight in area marked in red, the pre and post match meeting area marked in blue, and the course area marked in green (course area extends south towards south mountain for about 200 yards ish?).

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For anyone considering coming in the future, Ben (the Match Director) tells me he is planning to set this sign up on match days. So, if you're coming for the first time, keep an eye out for the sign and you'll be in the right place.

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That's him and Robert Buchanan, owner of Airguns of Arizona. This sign was commissioned? by Robert and gifted to this venture. 

(Before I forget, here's credit to the artist.) 

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In addition to the sign, Robert has very graciously sponsored these matches in various ways. In fact, he put up some prize money again for yesterday's match, $100 to the winner of each class (pellet and slug). That prize money really ups the ante and increases the competitive spirit. Robert's contributions are noticed and greatly appreciated. Quite characteristic of Mr. Buchanan in all of my dealings and knowledge of him: the guy just loves airguns and wants others to enjoy them as well. 

Quick recap of what we're doing out here. 

  • Targets placed from 25-100 yards
  • Caliber up to .30 allowed
  • FPE up to 100 allowed
  • No shooting harnesses or strap allowed
  • All distances are known (provided by match director to each shooting squad)
  • Competitors are shooting from a stool or bucket and using shooting sticks (provided or bring your own, just need to be v shaped yoke and can't clamp the gun in)
  • Kill zone sizes from 0.75 to 3.25 inches (distances measured horizontally as some are not round like traditional sub 20fpe field target kzs)
  • BEEFY targets (these aren't your regular field targets, as I think some of these guns would kill a regular field target in short order)

Here's an example of an odd-shaped kz taken from the October match video (screen grab) that AOA put out (notice all the hits around the kz-wind was coming from the right for most of these shots eh?) 

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Here are a couple more examples (again, credit to AOA's vid as these are screen grabs from there).

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Here is a less magnified image showing typical placement.

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These targets are placed out in the wild. Some of them require shooting over a wash, others are uphill, some are downhill. The wind is an unforgiving B in this area-switches back and forth, dies completely unexpectedly, thermals going up and coming down the slope where targets are placed, etc. Really, an incredibly challenging endeavor. It looks easy, but it sure ain't anything resembling easy. 

Here's the struggle to get the biggest of these beefcakes pulled back up. Yeah, that's a ROPE, no sub 20fpe reset string here. 

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We had 16 shooters yesterday. I think 3 came from as far away as San Diego (yeah it's that fun). I have a 3hr drive each way and I didn't/don't regret it for a minute. I thoroughly enjoyed the event, the camaraderie, seeing old friends, and making new ones. And then just the personal challenge of doing better than last time, as well as the entire competitive spirit surrounding the event. 

Here's the target breakdown of yesterday's match.

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It was very interesting to compile all that data from info Ben provided. We're texting as I work on this and here's a couple little excerpts from that conversation. 

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As an aside, I will be taking the incredible work done by Brad Troyer in his creation of the "Troyer Factor" chart for regular sub 20fpe ft and hopefully extending it for larger KZs and distances. It will be really cool to be able to be able to calculate the average difficulty factor of a course or a specific target for Extreme FT the way we do for sub 20fpe FT. As these matches continue it'll be cool to be able to go back and compare. Rather than saying this month seemed harder than last month, a modified Troyer chart that encompasses these distances and kill zones will supply actual numerical values to target and course difficulties. The odd kz shapes complicates it some, but I'm thinking a horizontal width oof the kz should be a decent proxy for overall kz size. Should be fun and informative going forward. (Any of you Excel gurus feel free to help me out with this one. The Troyer chart has some obviously repeating formulas. If we can figure those out, it should be as easy as creating a kz and distance appropriate chart. The numbers may not correlate to the sub 20fpe version, but should fulfill the same role, intent, and purpose that Brad was hoping to do when he created the original Troyer factor). 

Yesterday's conditions:

Man it was a beautiful day! I started out with a light jacket but got rid of that quickly and a short sleeved shirt was just fine. I'm guessing it was 75 or so degrees? Winds were predominantly out of the northeast, which would put it coming in from around 10:00-11:00 for most of the targets. Kent and I were watching the winds swirl around during the pre-match meeting and were CONCERNED. The wind was doing wild things around those backstop/dirt berms. By the time the match started it had reduced in intensity quite a bit, which was quite the relief from what it looked like we were going to deal with. Winds would nearly stop completely at times during the match. There were also times when it would pick up a bit from around 2:00 and push the pellet the other direction. It was a challenge, but I don't feel like the majority of my misses were wind induced, maybe 5 of them, the other 9 were simply poor trigger control (yanking shots, etc). 

The results:

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(Holes in the equipment list were blanks left unanswered on the sign-in sheet)

Congrats to Bobby C. and Ben S. for their first place finishes. Great shooting!

.22s, .25s, and .30s. I was pushing the .22 25.4s at only 850fps for around 41fpe. So, it doesn't require a cannon to compete, but a good BC pellet or slug is really necessary. 100 yards for a non big-bore sub 100fpe airgun is tough, lots of accounting for the wind is necessary. I will say that I tried to do this with a 18.1gr .22 JSB two months ago at about 35fpe and was second to last. So, BC is a huge component of Extreme Field Target. 

Ben was match high score with the 29.5gr NSA slugs. He wasn't planning on shooting slugs but when Centercut was the only slug shooter Ben spent about 10 minutes pre-match with the slugs and decided to jump to them to keep Mike from being a lone slug shooter. 

It's been fun to follow the whole slug vs pellet debate. It's been going back and forth for the high score coming from a slug or pellet. 

I also want to point out that one competitor was using a .25 Marauder, and was only 6 shots down from first place. I've said it before but will again here. The rules and general configuration of this competition makes it anybody's game. A $3000 airgun is not required to be competitive here. Yes, we are shooting very nice (expensive) airguns, but that's only cuz we're nuts about airguns and willing to spend that kind of money. The format of the competition is much less of an equipment race than regular sub 20fpe field target. You do not need a $500-1000 telescope on top of your gun for distance ranging (by focus) to come and be competitive in Extreme Field Target, like you pretty much have to have to be competitive in sub 20fpe field target.

In closing, this pic was taken by Peykan right at the end of the match. (Van in the left, me in the middle, and Peykan on the right). Big fun = big smiles.

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Come out and and enjoy it with us some time. When I first started attending regular FT matches a couple of years ago I emailed back and forth with one of the match directors prior to my first match (actually Bobby C that was first place pellet shooter yesterday). He told me, "if you enjoy shooting, you'll enjoy field target." I make that same promise to anybody interested enough in shooting to be reading this.

Fourth Saturday of every month. 

(Thanks to Van and Peykan and Ben for getting me some last-minute pics to include in this write-up. Also much thanks to Ben for all the behind the scenes work he put in to create this, and continues to put in for each month's event. Lots of fun is being had on the back of all of his hard work. Thank you Ben.)

Check out this video if you haven't seen it yet. 





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Great write up Cole! Nice job and good shooting!.

I went out afterwards with same gun same ammo, and shot the course prone. Scored 34 and only missed 3 non off hand shots (hit 33 of 36). Had 3 misses on lane 7 (off hand lane). All but 3 targets can be shot prone… I only shot lanes 1 (both targets) and 10 (far target) bucket and sticks.

This tells me three things.

First, work to get steadier bucket and sticks. With slugs Saturday, the wind wasn’t strong enough that I had to hold off the target on any of them. Wind left to right, hold left edge inside. Wind right to left, hold right edge inside.

Second, I totally suck off hand. Lots of practice needed here obviously...

Third, the Daystate Red Wolf HP (Bleu) with .217 JSB KOs at 990 FPS is an absolute laser. Dial in the yardage, crosshairs on target and pull the trigger. And efficient too, even at 55 FPE. At start of match it was at 253 bar. When I was done the pressure read 208. 40 shots, although I do have a 580cc bottle.
 
Great write up Cole! Nice job and good shooting!.

I went out afterwards with same gun same ammo, and shot the course prone. Scored 34 and only missed 3 non off hand shots (hit 33 of 36). Had 3 misses on lane 7 (off hand lane). All but 3 targets can be shot prone… I only shot lanes 1 (both targets) and 10 (far target) bucket and sticks.

This tells me three things.

First, work to get steadier bucket and sticks. With slugs Saturday, the wind wasn’t strong enough that I had to hold off the target on any of them. Wind left to right, hold left edge inside. Wind right to left, hold right edge inside.

Second, I totally suck off hand. Lots of practice needed here obviously...

Third, the Daystate Red Wolf HP (Bleu) with .217 JSB KOs at 990 FPS is an absolute laser. Dial in the yardage, crosshairs on target and pull the trigger. And efficient too, even at 55 FPE. At start of match it was at 253 bar. When I was done the pressure read 208. 40 shots, although I do have a 580cc bottle.

Thanks Mike.

While sitting there at the post-match meeting you told me you were going to shoot through again and really wanted a perfect score. You got much closer than I told you that I thought was possible. I'm impressed. 

As long as these courses continue to be set to roughly the same difficulty level, and we continue to shoot from sticks and a bucket, I don't know that we're going to be seeing any perfect scores, or even 39/40 type scores like we see in sub 20fpe, <55 yards "regular" ft. If someone does score that well I think it's more likely to happen with a slug up closer to the 100fpe limit and on a very favorable wind conditions day than with a pellet down in the 40-50fpe realm. 

For example, it doesn't sound like you were needing to hold off much for the wind. I was sometimes holding out 2 or so inches upwind (usually to the left) in order to drop targets. As I previously stated, even if I had not had bad trigger breaks/squeezing at the wrong time in the natural sway of the scope picture, I still would have missed 5 or 6 that were wind misreads. Instances where the wind switched directions, died, or simply increased/decreased intensity would have knocked me back quite a ways from the elusive perfect or even only 1 down score. 

While this event is similar to regular field target, the increased power does not level out the difficulty factor on a 1:1 ratio accounting for the distance and wind effect on our airgun projectiles. In other words, the increased distance (over regular FT) increases the difficulty level at a disproportionate rate to the increase in fpe allowed here vs regular field target. 

I believe this is one of the best match reports I've ever seen. Green ball heading your way. Great post to come back and visit and learn from!

Haha, Mike I suck at off hand as well. Was super hard for me to get a 50/60 score when I'd goose the standing lane and maybe get two on the kneeling lane in 20 fpe class

Fuss

Thanks Fuss, kind words. You oughta come out and join us sometime. Cheap flights into PHX Sky Harbor Airport and we're pretty dang close to the airport. Winter time in PHX is quite enjoyable weather. 




 
Thanks Mike.

While sitting there at the post-match meeting you told me you were going to shoot through again and really wanted a perfect score. You got much closer than I told you that I thought was possible. I'm impressed.

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Good points all Cole. In addition to Prone being sturdier (for me) than bucket and sticks, the wind had died down some when I went out for the second round. I shot the round with Tony P and we were in front of Bobby and Sandy, who also shot a practice round.

The advantage of slugs was apparent (even though I shot like crap) during the match. Whereas with pellets the wind would require hold off outside of the target, with slugs I didn't have to do that. Because the longer range targets were 2 to 3 inches, and my wind drift for the range was never more than 2 inches, I could just hold the edge and shoot. The BC with those slugs is 0.084, so for a slug not a very high BC, yet still the obvious advantage. Were I shooting my .25 cal. Slug gun that I hunt with, shooting NSA 43.5 at 900 FPS, I could have just held middle of each target and not worried at all about the wind, since the BC is in the 0.110 range.

You discussed trigger control, and I feel you. This was the first time I shot the Red Wolf HP bucket and sticks. The gun is set up for benchrest, with a VERY light trigger. No excuses, and no whining, but I shot at least five probably six times while taking up first stage slack. So there's 5 or 6 misses right there, in addition to the 3 on the off hand lane. Kent (my shooting partner for the day) and I talked about that, and also about how to better shoot bucket and sticks and placement of the sticks on the gun and how to maximize steadiness. Thanks Kent!!! I'll adjust that trigger to be a bit stiffer if possible prior to the January match...

Funny story, as we were packing up to leave (my car was next to Bobby's truck), I pointed at Tony (who had a hard time, we didn't figure out his bubble level has slipped until the last lane) and said jokingly "can you believe this guy shot an Impact today?" And Bobby, tongue in cheek, said "well, he should know better, never bring an Impact to a Wolf fight"... ;)




 
From seeing how much easier it was to shoot a 0.049 BC projectile (this month) versus the 0.034 BC back in October, I gotta agree with all of that. 

I commented on it a bit in the match report, but BC has SUCH a profound effect here, much more so than regular FT.

With the 10.34 grainers for regular FT Ive never felt disadvantaged. Wind drift just seems so much more predictable at sub 55 yards than it does when stretching it out to 100. BUT, showing up to an Extreme match with a low BC projectile (relative to what everyone else is shooting)......well, something like Bobby's knife to a gun fight analogy.
 
Yes that is a great match report Cole!

Congrats to Bobby and Ben!

Sannndddyyy???

Thanks Steve.

Sandy told me she got off a revolution (or two?) on her scope turret and that's always really hard to come back from. Otherwise I'm sure she'd have been right there at the top giving us a run for our money like she always does.

I was trying to talk her (through Bobby in text) into getting a FFP mil/mil scope just yesterday! She doesn't like all those hash marks in the reticle, that's scary stuff 😉 to a Duplex girl.😁 

I remember doing the same thing occasionally - "getting a full rev off", in regular FT matches with my old B&L 8-32 and 6-24, that I used for more than a decade, because my 10Y dope was exactly one revolution more than my 30Y zero. Honestly that was a major reason why I converted over to my Athlon Argos 6-24x50 FFP scope with 5 mil turrets. 3.2 mils is 10Y now, so I haven't made that mistake since.

And well I got used to mil/mil FFP scopes for the tactical matches that I got into. Key words "got used to".

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