Falcon and Brocock

[Breeze]

FN8 .22
FN12 .22
BRK Grand Prix .177
Atomic XR .25
Don't get a lot of shots per fill. But I sure do like shooting them.
The Atomic is supposed to be a pistol. But it sure makes a great Carbine!
Same with the FN8. A great pistol. Even better as a Carbine with the Light hunter stock. Back in the day this was called a "Rat-in-ater".
And the FN12 with the lighthunter skeleton stock back in the day was the "tom-in-ater" as in Tom turkey.

 

[L.Leon]

Have to agree on the Atomic XR, a super sweet mini carbine… Mine won’t ever be used as a pistol by me, it’s just too big in such a role.

 

[Rob_in_NC]

Classy guns... I recently sold an FN8 with an LW stock... I miss owning it, but fact is... I rarely shot it. Still, I feel lucky to have had it an enjoyed it for as long as I did.

Loved the FN19's as well. By time I got around to wanting to get one from (then) Van at AirHog, they were being phased out. Ended up with a PF25 Prairie, but it just wasnt the same in my eyes.

 

[AirNGasman]

I'm sorry; you're mistaken. Those are all better pistols than they are carbines.

My first National Champion title. My score was higher then the other 7 competitors' scores COMBINED-

My FN12 pistol averages .75 to 1" five-shot groups at 50 YARDS. Some measure small as 1/2"-

I've taken a jack-rabbit with a 50 yard plus brain-shot from standing offhand with an FN8 pistol-

My .177 Brocock Bantam Hi-Lite pistol, CONVERTED FROM CARBINE, outshoots hell out of its previous self (as a carbine). It averaged no better than 1" center-to-center groups at 50 yards as a carbine (very unimpressive), but averages 3/4" at 50 as pistol (very impressive)... regular as clockwork-

 

[AirNGasman]

Classy guns... I recently sold an FN8 with an LW stock... I miss owning it, but fact is... I rarely shot it. Still, I feel lucky to have had it an enjoyed it for as long as I did.

Loved the FN19's as well. By time I got around to wanting to get one from (then) Van at AirHog, they were being phased out. Ended up with a PF25 Prairie, but it just wasnt the same in my eyes.

I tried to buy my first FN8 from Van at the Little Rock aIrgun show THREE TIMES, but couldn't get him to quote me a price. By the time he came over to my table with a price I was ecstatic to show him the FN8 I purchased minutes before... for less than he (finally) quoted. Here's that gun-

 

[Rob_in_NC]

I tried to buy my first FN8 from Van at the Little Rock aIrgun show THREE TIMES, but couldn't get him to quote me a price. By the time he came over to my table with a price I was ecstatic to show him the FN8 I purchased minutes before... for less than he (finally) quoted. Here's that gun-

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snooze you lose! Worked out for you! I miss drooling over the Falcon inventory he had on his site. I had a hard time pinning him down on an FN19 in the non skeletonized stock, and was getting frustrated.. then found out that he was pretty much the only game in town at that time for them (that I could find, anyway) and they were phasing them out. I really wanted to love the PF-25 I ended up settling for, but I just couldnt. It was very accurate, dependable, etc... just wasnt the same as the one I'd drooled over all that time. ...so I snoozed and lost, too!

 

[L.Leon]

I'm sorry; you're mistaken. Those are all better pistols than they are carbines.

My first National Champion title. My score was higher then the other 7 competitors' scores COMBINED-
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My FN12 pistol averages .75 to 1" five-shot groups at 50 YARDS. Some measure small as 1/2"-
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I've taken a jack-rabbit with a 50 yard plus brain-shot from standing offhand with an FN8 pistol-
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My .177 Brocock Bantam Hi-Lite pistol, CONVERTED FROM CARBINE, outshoots hell out of its previous self (as a carbine). It averaged no better than 1" center-to-center groups at 50 yards as a carbine (very unimpressive), but averages 3/4" at 50 as pistol (very impressive)... regular as clockwork-
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Yes, in your talented hands… The average shooter would be “hard pressed” to be as consistent with those huge pistols. That part seems to always be left out. With them as mini carbines? Much more forgiving… So you are making a false assumption that all others shooters are as driven as you to shoot huge pistols. A select few, maybe. The majority will shoot these huge pistols as mini carbines… a win, win in my eyes.

 

[AirNGasman]

Yes, in your talented hands… The average shooter would be “hard pressed” to be as consistent with those huge pistols. That part seems to always be left out. With them as mini carbines? Much more forgiving… So you are making a false assumption that all others shooters are as driven as you to shoot huge pistols. A select few, maybe. The majority will shoot these huge pistols as mini carbines… a win, win in my eyes.

LL, I made no false assumption(s), and only left out that part that goes without saying.

My talented hands or the average shooters' are not just hard-pressed to be as consistent with almost any pistol as with almost any carbine, but CANNOT be as consistent (that's the "goes without saying" part). However, that's not the point.

Here are much better carbines than any of the carbine-ized pistols in this thread; and anyone/EVERYONE shoots carbines better than carbine-ized pistols-

But no-one shoots any pistol better than those mentioned in this thread. And virtually any carbine is easier to shoot better than virtually any carbine-ized pistol. Therefore any pistol mentioned in this thread is a better pistol than it is a carbine.

That's my point.

 

[L.Leon]

The huge pistols are not “carbinized”, they are small carbines, “a very few” insist on using as pistols, a very small niche. It’s all good, but for the majority, too big as pistols. Heck didn’t you chop up a rifle to make it a huge pistol? I still don’t understand how it would shoot better as a pistol than a rifle? Maybe a perception type of thing? I get that you like big pistols. But they’re just small carbines missing the rear stocks.

 

[baranjhn]

FN8 .22
FN12 .22
BRK Grand Prix .177
Atomic XR .25
Don't get a lot of shots per fill. But I sure do like shooting them.
The Atomic is supposed to be a pistol. But it sure makes a great Carbine!
Same with the FN8. A great pistol. Even better as a Carbine with the Light hunter stock. Back in the day this was called a "Rat-in-ater".
And the FN12 with the lighthunter skeleton stock back in the day was the "tom-in-ater" as in Tom turkey.

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Nice collection! I had a FN12 carbine in a custom maple stock and it was wonderful! I should've never let it go.

 

[Breeze]

Got to say those are original Falcons, unmolested , still holding air. No mods, no customizations!

The Fn12 defends the front defensive position against advancing hordes of feral critters. Will reach out to 65 yards.
The FN8 protects my "6" against raiding starlings. Covering 35 yards.
The Grand Prix covers the right flank, maybe about 25 yards.
And the Atomic .25? That's the heavy artillery that repels feral soda cans!

 

[John "spysir" Blount]

Really excellent pistols & rifles. Had the Beeman marked Titan/Falcon in .22

worked over by John B. Really should have kept it!
Congratulations on owning some heirloom quality airguns.

John

 

[Neu]

Love these falcons, side note what are these going for these days I see one on eBay for around $500 have no idea if that's high or not.

 

[MikeVV]

By definition -

A pistol with a shoulder stock is...a pistol with a shoulder stock.
A "carbine" is a short rifle.

You have my permission to whine...

Mike

 

[Rob_in_NC]

By definition -

A pistol with a shoulder stock is...a pistol with a shoulder stock.
A "carbine" is a short rifle.

You have my permission to whine...

Mike

But what if the carbine identifies as a pistol? Shouldnt we then just accept it and call it a pistol? I'll stop now...haha

 

[orangeokie]

FN8 .22
FN12 .22
BRK Grand Prix .177
Atomic XR .25
Don't get a lot of shots per fill. But I sure do like shooting them.
The Atomic is supposed to be a pistol. But it sure makes a great Carbine!
Same with the FN8. A great pistol. Even better as a Carbine with the Light hunter stock. Back in the day this was called a "Rat-in-ater".
And the FN12 with the lighthunter skeleton stock back in the day was the "tom-in-ater" as in Tom turkey.

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Those bull pup wood stocks look warm and comfortable!

 

[L.Leon]

By definition -

A pistol with a shoulder stock is...a pistol with a shoulder stock.
A "carbine" is a short rifle.

You have my permission to whine...

Mike

So what do you call a rifle that’s been “chopped” down to a pistol? An “emasculated” former long gun, or maybe a pifle? Tomatoes, tomato’s…

 

[Rob_in_NC]

or maybe a pifle?

 

[AirNGasman]

The huge pistols are not “carbinized”, they are small carbines, “a very few” insist on using as pistols, a very small niche. It’s all good, but for the majority, too big as pistols. Heck didn’t you chop up a rifle to make it a huge pistol? I still don’t understand how it would shoot better as a pistol than a rifle? Maybe a perception type of thing? I get that you like big pistols. But they’re just small carbines missing the rear stock.

You make some good points LL, some of which I don't disagree with.

Huge pistols like we're dueling over are definitely a small niche thing; rightfully so. I also didn't really consider them pistols in a traditional sense, certainly not "handguns", until I served on the committee delegated to assemble a set of rules for AAFTA pistol field target competition. Had I not been the most vociferous and stubborn proponent of keeping some semblence of pistol in pistol field target, this is what we'd have to shoot to be competitive-

That IS a carbine without a buttstock. And what the other extreme elements on the pistol FT committee lobbied for.


So after that rules-making battle, I do indeed consider this a PISTOL. Notice any other differences? Hint- lengths.

That particular pistol is not very huge. But huge being a relative term, we're both correct. Obviously our disagreement about what constitutes a pistol is definitely "a perception type of thing".

However my pistolized Brocock Bantam shooting better as a pistol than as a carbine is definitely not a perception type of thing (my imagination). It's definitely reality; probably because I chopped the barrel 2" shorter, removing the choke in the process. Mind you, I'm talking about shooting both renditions from a very steady sand-bagged bench-rest, not offhand. Not talking about how well anyone can shoot either from any other position; only the guns' accuracy.

Happy Shooting (whatever your chosen poison),
Ronaldo PISTOLero

 

[baranjhn]

If a pistol is placed in a rifle stock and is meant to be fired from the shoulder, it's a rifle. You can call it a carbine too, which is a generally accepted term for a rifle with a barrel that is shorter than most rifles (usually around 14" to 16" inches). However, If you need a new term to describe a pistol that is made into a shoulder fired airgun, how about a SBAR (short barreled air-rifle)? There. New definition created. Henceforce all pistols that have shoulder stocks shall be know as an SBAR (with short barrels of course).