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Field Target is an arms race.

Yep I said it, and not for the first time.

Some sure seem to get heated up about that statement. Others are pragmatic enough to accept reality.

When guys are running "bb guns" that cost north of $8-10k, there's not much of an argument against it being an arms race.

When I say "arms race" I'm talking about the perpetual creep that results in ever bigger side wheels, more expensive scopes and guns, more complicated bipods, and generally more gadgetry for the classes where that's allowed, etc.

The arms race is a result of a combination of factors. First of those is that in any competition that is similarly equipment-dependent, you'll see the same thing. Competitors will spend big to acquire what they feel is the most competitive equipment. Another is the demographic....field target competitors are primarily a collection of well-to-do geezers, and many of those are retired, with the time and money to be silly about how they spend that time and money. Another is psychology...if I just buy THAT gun or THAT scope then I'll be at the top in future matches. In that sense, the arms race is as much a personal battle as it is a side-quest competition with the rest of the field. Furthermore, and another part of the psychology, is that it's simply fun to try out new guns and scopes. And who's going to buy a lower quality gun or scope than what they already have? So of course that feeds into the process of continually spending more and more and the average price of a rig in any given ft competition creeping up and up and up over the years. In that sense, some of the arms race is the over-used adage of, "you get what you pay for."

All of that is fine and dandy, and it's simply the reality of the field target game.

The negative aspect of the arms race is those rare times when a newcomer is at their first match and we have to tell them the price of the borrowed rig they're fondling. It's hard for them to envision themselves being part of the collection of field target competitors since they haven't mentally worked their way up to the great financial heights incrementally like most of us have. I say that from personal experience when I was new, and from the exact same facial expression I see when I introduce someone to field target.

As for the inevitable, "it's the indian, not the arrow" straw man logic rebuttals that are sure to come.....There is very certainly a price threshold that must be crossed to get into "competitive" territory. Yeah yeah, "so and so won with an entry level _______________ back in 20XX." Those cases are rare, and speak much to the skill of that individual competitor. In the main example I see used, that guy is now shooting a $3-4K scope/gun combo, NOT the entry level rig that he did well with that year. For most of us mere mortals, quality equipment ($$$) must be invested in if a guy has any intentions of being competitive, then of course comes practice to complete the rest of the winning equation. Hence my earlier statement about how equipment-dependent field target is.

And there you have the arms race.

(And with that, let the online battle commence).
 
What's your solution? I'm open to ideas as I'm still new, even though I've already spent huge to try to keep up.

Guns in the $750-1500 range can be competitive, as can scopes in the $300-600 range.

If there was enough interest I suppose a price capped class, but that concept has a whole host of issues and workarounds that guys would do. Like re-barelling a cheap gun with a good barrel. So no, I don't think a "budget" class is a great idea.

Hunter class's origins were a good idea, as can be seen by it currently being the most populated class. But the race is on in Hunter now too.

Can't say that I have a solution. Many don't even see it as a problem that needs a solution. It's just the reality of field target. Simply part of the game.
 
Shooting sports are *always* an arms race - kinda. It turns out that a rookie with all the best gear will still end up at the bottom of the page. If you have the funds, by all means, go for the gold. On the other hand, there are great shooters out there, that will kick your butt 10/10 times. In my experience the "arms race" only matters when you're in the top few percent. Then, and only then, will superior equipment truly play a factor. Hot dog gear buys a few percent difference. If you're getting hammered by someone with top notch gear, and they're beating you by 50% - it's not the gear. If you're in the top 10% in a fiercely contested match, and you lose by a few percent - maybe. But that top dog isn't beating most people because of gear - he's got top gear to beat the other top competitors. If you're middle of the page, it's not your gear that's holding you back - work harder.

GsT (You can buy better gear, but you can't buy skill)
 
While generally the better shooters are more times than not also shooting top shelf rigs, It IMO is a case of better shooters already have the matured skill set of shooting the game or similar games for years being able to match quality gear to there experience level.
We see it often those looking to buy into the notion that better gear can make up for inferior skill.
* It just so happens many are older & have the finances to do so
... A coincidence in actuality IMO
Many of us no doubt have great inexpensive rigs and use them frequently. Where as i could be said that many have such rigs but use a nicer rig that fits them better, balances better etc etc in lieu of what other rigs they may own.

Point being, it is NOT an equipment race IMO, many have shot with such inexpensive rigs, shot with others using inexpensive rigs and had top finishes in spite that.
* It is the SHOOTER, his paying attention to what pellet & speed shoots best, Having GREAT D.O.P.E. with some wind skills and the experience to do all the subtle little things better than others on the same course on that same day.

Those who WISH They POSSESSED the skill and the gear are all too quick to whimper Foul / Arms Race or similar it's not fair shooting against said equipped/skilled others. :eek:

Biggest issue I see .... Many just wish to play a game, do there best at said game unwilling to put much effort to learn more or ask questions to better there game. This is why generally in a lot of FT clubs only a small fraction of those who play at the Fun Club level will go to away matches, GP, State or National events. Majority is Happy to just play with the gear & skill they got being happy as they are hanging with there buddies at local for fun venues only.
 
Everyone plays a game with a pellet gun. FT just isn't mine for the reasons stated in the OP. I can't afford to be competitive so the desire to shoot at that level is not strong.

A lot more people would participate if there were more "fun shoots" rather than "matches" and "competition". It's just not for everyone. Guys get serious and they get good. Most people just don't shoot at those levels. And watching a shooting match is about as exciting as watching bacon fry.

I don't think the "rules" need to be changed. For guys "competing" there must be rules for their "class" and shooters are always going to rub the rules to get an advantage. Thats just "competition".

I prefer playing a completely different game more suited to the hardware I can afford. But i sure enjoy seeing all the fancy equipment guys are using and discussing the aspects of precision. They go to some extraordinary lengths to eliminate variables the rest of us take for granted. It is a learning experience even if I'm not interested in participating.
 
Shooting sports are *always* an arms race - kinda. It turns out that a rookie with all the best gear will still end up at the bottom of the page. If you have the funds, by all means, go for the gold. On the other hand, there are great shooters out there, that will kick your butt 10/10 times. In my experience the "arms race" only matters when you're in the top few percent. Then, and only then, will superior equipment truly play a factor. Hot dog gear buys a few percent difference. If you're getting hammered by someone with top notch gear, and they're beating you by 50% - it's not the gear. If you're in the top 10% in a fiercely contested match, and you lose by a few percent - maybe. But that top dog isn't beating most people because of gear - he's got top gear to beat the other top competitors. If you're middle of the page, it's not your gear that's holding you back - work harder.

GsT (You can buy better gear, but you can't buy skill)
I was at a match not long ago where my neighbor on the next bench quickly noticed I had a 3000$ scope and his only cost 600. We both had the same chronograph for about the same length of time and he had 36 sessions on his compared to my 900 plus. He's pretty sure I beat him because of my scope, though. 😀
 
I was at a match not long ago where my neighbor on the next bench quickly noticed I had a 3000$ scope and his only cost 600. We both had the same chronograph for about the same length of time and he had 36 sessions on his compared to my 900 plus. He's pretty sure I beat him because of my scope, though. 😀
Ive seen caddyshack. I know you've got one of those Jack Hartunian models, damn Richers.
 
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I was at a match not long ago where my neighbor on the next bench quickly noticed I had a 3000$ scope and his only cost 600. We both had the same chronograph for about the same length of time and he had 36 sessions on his compared to my 900 plus. He's pretty sure I beat him because of my scope, though. 😀
Mike in being .. I'll assume a tad more transparent ... Lol
A 3K optic sitting atop a 4K air rifle.

Yea I'll agree that cheap scope was it :giggle:
 
I never like the idea of capping technology because some people can’t afford it.
I can’t afford it but that’s my problem. The top guys and girls use the best equipment. But even at 10,000 dollars for a BB gun . How much is the time worth? Spending time to learn to use it at a competitive level. Are you willing to invest a couple years of you life. Plus money for travel, pellets,target and gadgets. Then say I’ll save five hundred dollars to not illuminate the scope?

If you are good you can get buy. But if you are not willing to do the work even the best equipment won’t help.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Mike in being .. I'll assume a tad more transparent ... Lol
A 3K optic sitting atop a 4K air rifle.

Yea I'll agree that cheap scope was it :giggle:


Says Mr. 3 groove custom hammer forged barrel to Mr. $3000 scope and $4000 rifle...

You guys are a hoot! Your shooting at levels most people can't even comprehend.

To compete with that requires many years of experience and many thousands of dollars. You could work a lifetime whittling down that last 1/2" of error in field conditions with a pellet rifle.

I for one will just shoot shotgun shells and soup cans in the sand pit and be amazed at all the precision you guys have mustered.

I'm still crosseyed from looking down that three groove barrel. I think it tangled up an optic nerve or something.
 
Yep I said it, and not for the first time.

Some sure seem to get heated up about that statement. Others are pragmatic enough to accept reality.

When guys are running "bb guns" that cost north of $8-10k, there's not much of an argument against it being an arms race.

When I say "arms race" I'm talking about the perpetual creep that results in ever bigger side wheels, more expensive scopes and guns, more complicated bipods, and generally more gadgetry for the classes where that's allowed, etc.

The arms race is a result of a combination of factors. First of those is that in any competition that is similarly equipment-dependent, you'll see the same thing. Competitors will spend big to acquire what they feel is the most competitive equipment. Another is the demographic....field target competitors are primarily a collection of well-to-do geezers, and many of those are retired, with the time and money to be silly about how they spend that time and money. Another is psychology...if I just buy THAT gun or THAT scope then I'll be at the top in future matches. In that sense, the arms race is as much a personal battle as it is a side-quest competition with the rest of the field. Furthermore, and another part of the psychology, is that it's simply fun to try out new guns and scopes. And who's going to buy a lower quality gun or scope than what they already have? So of course that feeds into the process of continually spending more and more and the average price of a rig in any given ft competition creeping up and up and up over the years. In that sense, some of the arms race is the over-used adage of, "you get what you pay for."

All of that is fine and dandy, and it's simply the reality of the field target game.

The negative aspect of the arms race is those rare times when a newcomer is at their first match and we have to tell them the price of the borrowed rig they're fondling. It's hard for them to envision themselves being part of the collection of field target competitors since they haven't mentally worked their way up to the great financial heights incrementally like most of us have. I say that from personal experience when I was new, and from the exact same facial expression I see when I introduce someone to field target.

As for the inevitable, "it's the indian, not the arrow" straw man logic rebuttals that are sure to come.....There is very certainly a price threshold that must be crossed to get into "competitive" territory. Yeah yeah, "so and so won with an entry level _______________ back in 20XX." Those cases are rare, and speak much to the skill of that individual competitor. In the main example I see used, that guy is now shooting a $3-4K scope/gun combo, NOT the entry level rig that he did well with that year. For most of us mere mortals, quality equipment ($$$) must be invested in if a guy has any intentions of being competitive, then of course comes practice to complete the rest of the winning equation. Hence my earlier statement about how equipment-dependent field target is.

And there you have the arms race.

(And with that, let the online battle commence).
I disagree with you @Franklink. I agree that you have a perception that it is an arms race, as do some other shooters new to FT, but the 20fpe Hunter class and the use of bipods and 16x max magnification scopes really preclude the need to have high dollar equipment IF you have the other shooting skills necessary to excel at FT. As @Motorhead said stated above, high-dollar equipment will not make you a winner, and low-dollar equipment that you proposed can make you a winner along with good shooting skills.
 
While generally the better shooters are more times than not also shooting top shelf rigs, It IMO is a case of better shooters already have the matured skill set of shooting the game or similar games for years being able to match quality gear to there experience level.
We see it often those looking to buy into the notion that better gear can make up for inferior skill.
* It just so happens many are older & have the finances to do so
... A coincidence in actuality IMO
Many of us no doubt have great inexpensive rigs and use them frequently. Where as i could be said that many have such rigs but use a nicer rig that fits them better, balances better etc etc in lieu of what other rigs they may own.

Point being, it is NOT an equipment race IMO, many have shot with such inexpensive rigs, shot with others using inexpensive rigs and had top finishes in spite that.
* It is the SHOOTER, his paying attention to what pellet & speed shoots best, Having GREAT D.O.P.E. with some wind skills and the experience to do all the subtle little things better than others on the same course on that same day.

Those who WISH They POSSESSED the skill and the gear are all too quick to whimper Foul / Arms Race or similar it's not fair shooting against said equipped/skilled others. :eek:

Biggest issue I see .... Many just wish to play a game, do there best at said game unwilling to put much effort to learn more or ask questions to better there game. This is why generally in a lot of FT clubs only a small fraction of those who play at the Fun Club level will go to away matches, GP, State or National events. Majority is Happy to just play with the gear & skill they got being happy as they are hanging with there buddies at local for fun venues only.
Amen
 
Says Mr. 3 groove custom hammer forged barrel to Mr. $3000 scope and $4000 rifle...

You guys are a hoot! Your shooting at levels most people can't even comprehend.

To compete with that requires many years of experience and many thousands of dollars. You could work a lifetime whittling down that last 1/2" of error in field conditions with a pellet rifle.

I for one will just shoot shotgun shells and soup cans in the sand pit and be amazed at all the precision you guys have mustered.

I'm still crosseyed from looking down that three groove barrel. I think it tangled up an optic nerve or something.
And he seemed down to earth and humble when I saw him. Good old dude. 👌
 
Says Mr. 3 groove custom hammer forged barrel to Mr. $3000 scope and $4000 rifle...

You guys are a hoot! Your shooting at levels most people can't even comprehend.

To compete with that requires many years of experience and many thousands of dollars. You could work a lifetime whittling down that last 1/2" of error in field conditions with a pellet rifle.

I for one will just shoot shotgun shells and soup cans in the sand pit and be amazed at all the precision you guys have mustered.

I'm still crosseyed from looking down that three groove barrel. I think it tangled up an optic nerve or something.
Absolutely ... If we can't laugh at our self, while laughing along with others ... yet still share to those why might care and many that don't ... whats the point in being social ???

And being transparent ... at my end that 3 groove barrel sits inside a 3K gun with a 4K optic on top ..... Huh, cheap gun I guess :love: :love: