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Field Target is an arms race.

I think guys get prickly because it's not an arms race.

It's not a cheap sport, though. It can be as cheap or as expensive as you want it to be.

The funny part of all this is that I could not afford to buy even a cheap pcp rifle...so I built my own. My homemade gun and a 300$ Mueller scope served me well my first ft season...although I did change out my scope for a used 350$ Leupold that someone got rid of in a fire sale.

Mike

This is what Im saying Mike, both in your gun and your scope examples.

You saw some deficits in the equipment (either perceived or actual) in comparison to the equipment your competitors were using and chose to find alternatives. Most don't have the skills to build their own better mousetrap, so they buy it. Hence the never ending arms race of buying more and more and getting better ($$$) and better equipment.

(You got the Leupold for a song but it is certainly a higher value scope than a Mueller. )
 
Most people's trouble is just patience. Everybody wants their stuff today. At the rate people get rid of impulsive purchases...there is no good reason to buy any piece of equipment new at full price...unless you simply can't find it used.

Go to matches or places that people shoot and you are bound to run into someone looking to part with something expensive for cheap. Most people are too lazy to post stuff in classifieds. They would rather blow something out today than wait a week for double the money.

If you're in a hurry for anything....it's gonna cost you.

Mike
 
I never like the idea of capping technology because some people can’t afford it.
Only cap technology when it’s making a difference.

I don’t have experience in Open but in Hunter having a huge fancy scope is not necessarily an advantage.

I think FT is great because the overwhelming difference between the bottom middle and top of the results table is preparation, practice, and skill. Equipment is part of the preparation but it’s not necessarily a matter of buying the most expensive options.

Also there seems to be a healthy dose of correlation being transformed into causation. Shooters who have time and resources to travel most weekends in the year including some national travel are spending many thousands each year without taking a single shot. That experience and practice matters a lot too. If you’re making that investment year after year then sure buy a fancy scope and put it in a fancy rifle. It’s can’t hurt and it might even help. But that doesn’t prove the fancy equipment is a reason for success.
 
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Disagreeing with folks is part of life.

I'll counter with how many Sighttron SIIIs are being used in Hunter class at 16x now.

For anybody that didn't follow the link, the SIII's are going for the budget friendly price of $1759.99. Likely find a deal on one somewhere for less than MSRP though. Heck might even get it all the way down to $1500 if a guy shops around and waits for a sale.
I used one of these in Hunter. I paid $800.

1) mine is older and only has markings up to 12x. So I shoot Hunter with that at 12x. A reasonable person would say it’s a disadvantage. I bought it in case I wanted to shoot Open.

2) correlation is not causation. Just because they’re using that scope doesn’t mean it’s improving their scores.
 
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I might also add ... If you do shoot lets say ... Field Target, & lets say Hunter class .... SPEND TIME OUT IN THE WOODS / FIELDS etc shooting on a seat with shooting sticks !! The more you actually use the position with the same tools & miens you use in the FT game the more comfortable and adapting you will become.
The more you shoot as such the sooner a personal established seating and support technique you'll acquire for both field and target work ( Not bench )
* Practice does not necessarily need to be practice ;) as just staying consistent to figure out how to sit stable and support a rifle or FT pistol in an ever changing environment is Priceless practice & fun too :giggle:
this is a piece of advice that is very good ! i hear many people say (including me ) there is no FT near me , But with this advice you can practice any where , if it is not a safe place or law says no guns you could use a walking stick as a simulated gun . A walking stick a bucket seat and shooting sticks and a walk in the local city park if that's all you have . and if you do not just your yard .
Thank you MH
 
this is a piece of advice that is very good ! i hear many people say (including me ) there is no FT near me , But with this advice you can practice any where , if it is not a safe place or law says no guns you could use a walking stick as a simulated gun . A walking stick a bucket seat and shooting sticks and a walk in the local city park if that's all you have . and if you do not just your yard .
Thank you MH
I have to drive about 8 hours to get to a match, if I want. Washington isn't dead, but it's not as active as I'd like.
 
I have to drive about 8 hours to get to a match, if I want. Washington isn't dead, but it's not as active as I'd like.
Well , your profile does not list even just what state your in so i guess i can't give any suggestion ,except maybe a motel room the night before ,which is what i do and drive home after the match .
 
.... correlation is not causation. Just because they’re using that scope doesn’t mean it’s improving their scores.

That one is gonna hard to prove, either direction, specifically because the arms race is the prevailing mindset. Whether the phrase offends someone or not,
guys incrementally buying "better" is the norm. And scores improving is also the norm. Chicken or the egg? Sure.
 
Toby Keith stole my line when he recorded, “I’m not as good as I once was, but I am as good once as I ever was”.
That line fits me to a tee.
80, next August, I am competition for no one, except myself.
There are FT shooters in our mist that no one, repeat, no one will beat.
There are some golfers like that too.
Until….Father Time arrives on the scene.
I look at FT the way some golfers look at that sport.
You are competing against yourself.
There just happens to be others in the area.
I think we would all agree Tiger Woods would still have had a stellar career, regardless of the club or ball manufacturer that he was using.
Exercise, fresh air, camaraderie.
This is what FT is to me.
I shoot my TX200s with no drop data except what my feeble mind can remember.
I do not have ChairGun or access to it.
I shoot 50% as always.
I do not have (without hindering other shooters) a long enough space to develop drop data.
But (and this is most important for me), I am having fun.
 
Toby Keith stole my line when he recorded, “I’m not as good as I once was, but I am as good once as I ever was”.
That line fits me to a tee.
80, next August, I am competition for no one, except myself.
There are FT shooters in our mist that no one, repeat, no one will beat.
There are some golfers like that too.
Until….Father Time arrives on the scene.
I look at FT the way some golfers look at that sport.
You are competing against yourself.
There just happens to be others in the area.
I think we would all agree Tiger Woods would still have had a stellar career, regardless of the club or ball manufacturer that he was using.
Exercise, fresh air, camaraderie.
This is what FT is to me.
I shoot my TX200s with no drop data except what my feeble mind can remember.
I do not have ChairGun or access to it.
I shoot 50% as always.
I do not have (without hindering other shooters) a long enough space to develop drop data.
But (and this is most important for me), I am having fun.
I think that's all that matters. When I don't shoot as well as I wanted, I kick and scream at myself for all of my errors, but I have more fun than I do getting frustrated.
 
Yep I said it, and not for the first time.

Some sure seem to get heated up about that statement. Others are pragmatic enough to accept reality.

When guys are running "bb guns" that cost north of $8-10k, there's not much of an argument against it being an arms race.

When I say "arms race" I'm talking about the perpetual creep that results in ever bigger side wheels, more expensive scopes and guns, more complicated bipods, and generally more gadgetry for the classes where that's allowed, etc.

The arms race is a result of a combination of factors. First of those is that in any competition that is similarly equipment-dependent, you'll see the same thing. Competitors will spend big to acquire what they feel is the most competitive equipment. Another is the demographic....field target competitors are primarily a collection of well-to-do geezers, and many of those are retired, with the time and money to be silly about how they spend that time and money. Another is psychology...if I just buy THAT gun or THAT scope then I'll be at the top in future matches. In that sense, the arms race is as much a personal battle as it is a side-quest competition with the rest of the field. Furthermore, and another part of the psychology, is that it's simply fun to try out new guns and scopes. And who's going to buy a lower quality gun or scope than what they already have? So of course that feeds into the process of continually spending more and more and the average price of a rig in any given ft competition creeping up and up and up over the years. In that sense, some of the arms race is the over-used adage of, "you get what you pay for."

All of that is fine and dandy, and it's simply the reality of the field target game.

The negative aspect of the arms race is those rare times when a newcomer is at their first match and we have to tell them the price of the borrowed rig they're fondling. It's hard for them to envision themselves being part of the collection of field target competitors since they haven't mentally worked their way up to the great financial heights incrementally like most of us have. I say that from personal experience when I was new, and from the exact same facial expression I see when I introduce someone to field target.

As for the inevitable, "it's the indian, not the arrow" straw man logic rebuttals that are sure to come.....There is very certainly a price threshold that must be crossed to get into "competitive" territory. Yeah yeah, "so and so won with an entry level _______________ back in 20XX." Those cases are rare, and speak much to the skill of that individual competitor. In the main example I see used, that guy is now shooting a $3-4K scope/gun combo, NOT the entry level rig that he did well with that year. For most of us mere mortals, quality equipment ($$$) must be invested in if a guy has any intentions of being competitive, then of course comes practice to complete the rest of the winning equation. Hence my earlier statement about how equipment-dependent field target is.

And there you have the arms race.

(And with that, let the online battle commence).
Yawn.
 
I’m a prime example of someone who bought one of the best FT/Benchrest and a very good FT scope I couldn’t hit poope and got actually depressed because I figured the gun was going to make a better shooter but I just needed to shoot and practice “a lot” more.

I did a disservice to my equipment! Luckily this equipment can be used in a different discipline which I am much better suited to produce adequate scores. I will practice and become more proficient. But could have used much less expensive and had the same result!.
 
Growing the Sport of Field Target: A Call for Unity





Field Target has always been a sport that celebrates precision, skill, and camaraderie. It’s one of the few activities where shooters of all ages and abilities can come together, enjoy friendly competition, and share a passion for marksmanship. In many ways, it’s a sport that uniquely lends itself to being a family affair, bringing together generations in a shared pursuit.





However, I’ve noticed a growing focus in some circles on equipment—specifically, the divide between “cheap” and “expensive” setups or “good” and “bad” gear. While it’s true that equipment plays a role in any sport, I believe we must remember this: it’s the shooter behind the trigger who makes the difference, not the price tag of their rifle.





Great shooters can deliver incredible results with modest equipment, while even the most expensive setups won’t guarantee success without practice, patience, and skill. The beauty of Field Target lies in its inclusivity. It’s a sport where nearly anyone can start, regardless of their budget, and grow their skills over time.





Shifting the Focus





Our shared goal should be to grow the sport and welcome new participants. Instead of focusing on what gear others are using, let’s focus on making Field Target more accessible, enjoyable, and inclusive.


• Encourage New Shooters: Offer guidance, mentorship, and support to those just starting out, regardless of their equipment.


• Celebrate Participation: Every shooter who steps up to the line contributes to the community and keeps the sport alive.


• Maintain Perspective: The most important competition is between ourselves and our personal bests, not whose rifle or scope costs more.





Field Target is one of the few remaining sports that truly welcomes families, young and old alike. If we lose sight of this, we risk alienating potential shooters who could bring new energy and diversity to our events.





A Call for Unity





I encourage everyone to focus on growing the sport rather than on comparing equipment. Let’s work together to create an environment where every shooter feels valued, regardless of their gear. After all, Field Target is about more than just hitting targets—it’s about building a community, sharing a passion, and passing it on to future generations.





Let’s aim for a future where our sport thrives because of our shared commitment to its growth, not because of the equipment we use. Together, we can ensure Field Target remains the inclusive, family-friendly sport we all love.





What do you think? Let’s have a constructive conversation about how we can make this happen.
 
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Yep I said it, and not for the first time.

Some sure seem to get heated up about that statement. Others are pragmatic enough to accept reality.

When guys are running "bb guns" that cost north of $8-10k, there's not much of an argument against it being an arms race.

When I say "arms race" I'm talking about the perpetual creep that results in ever bigger side wheels, more expensive scopes and guns, more complicated bipods, and generally more gadgetry for the classes where that's allowed, etc.

The arms race is a result of a combination of factors. First of those is that in any competition that is similarly equipment-dependent, you'll see the same thing. Competitors will spend big to acquire what they feel is the most competitive equipment. Another is the demographic....field target competitors are primarily a collection of well-to-do geezers, and many of those are retired, with the time and money to be silly about how they spend that time and money. Another is psychology...if I just buy THAT gun or THAT scope then I'll be at the top in future matches. In that sense, the arms race is as much a personal battle as it is a side-quest competition with the rest of the field. Furthermore, and another part of the psychology, is that it's simply fun to try out new guns and scopes. And who's going to buy a lower quality gun or scope than what they already have? So of course that feeds into the process of continually spending more and more and the average price of a rig in any given ft competition creeping up and up and up over the years. In that sense, some of the arms race is the over-used adage of, "you get what you pay for."

All of that is fine and dandy, and it's simply the reality of the field target game.

The negative aspect of the arms race is those rare times when a newcomer is at their first match and we have to tell them the price of the borrowed rig they're fondling. It's hard for them to envision themselves being part of the collection of field target competitors since they haven't mentally worked their way up to the great financial heights incrementally like most of us have. I say that from personal experience when I was new, and from the exact same facial expression I see when I introduce someone to field target.

As for the inevitable, "it's the indian, not the arrow" straw man logic rebuttals that are sure to come.....There is very certainly a price threshold that must be crossed to get into "competitive" territory. Yeah yeah, "so and so won with an entry level _______________ back in 20XX." Those cases are rare, and speak much to the skill of that individual competitor. In the main example I see used, that guy is now shooting a $3-4K scope/gun combo, NOT the entry level rig that he did well with that year. For most of us mere mortals, quality equipment ($$$) must be invested in if a guy has any intentions of being competitive, then of course comes practice to complete the rest of the winning equation. Hence my earlier statement about how equipment-dependent field target is.

And there you have the arms race.

(And with that, let the online battle commence).
The horse left the barn years ago; And she ain’t coming back.
I see it this way - beginners are just that. Ya start at the bottom and work your way up. In marksmanship, Like in the work force we don’t start at the top… regardless of the tools you have in your hands, the time necessary to master those tools will overshadow or equalize the money some guys have spent on more expensive equipment.
My take is we shouldn’t encourage or empathize with people who compare themselves against people who have more money invested in their toys. That’s ego and insecurity. Rather let’s encourage new shooters to practice and master their entry level gun and know the joy of beating those ol guys with $8K rigs while using a $700 Crosman with a $350 scope; which some will suggest is already too expensive and unfair.
 
Guns in the $750-1500 range can be competitive, as can scopes in the $300-600 range.

If there was enough interest I suppose a price capped class, but that concept has a whole host of issues and workarounds that guys would do. Like re-barelling a cheap gun with a good barrel. So no, I don't think a "budget" class is a great idea.

Hunter class's origins were a good idea, as can be seen by it currently being the most populated class. But the race is on in Hunter now too.

Can't say that I have a solution. Many don't even see it as a problem that needs a solution. It's just the reality of field target. Simply part of the game.

A more significant problem is #1, the lack of field target facilities and clubs within a reasonable distance to participate.
If you want to grow the sport, that’s where you should focus first.

Part 2 is getting people who already shoot airguns interested in field target facilities, see #1.
That said, while implementing part 2, people will have to decide if they’re willing to invest in FT equipment.
What they decide to buy should be up to them but those who mentor them should be quick to explain “money doesn’t buy accuracy” but time invested in practice does - see #1.

Part 3 repeat.
 
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I never like the idea of capping technology because some people can’t afford it.
I can’t afford it but that’s my problem. The top guys and girls use the best equipment. But even at 10,000 dollars for a BB gun . How much is the time worth? Spending time to learn to use it at a competitive level. Are you willing to invest a couple years of you life. Plus money for travel, pellets,target and gadgets. Then say I’ll save five hundred dollars to not illuminate the scope?

If you are good you can get buy. But if you are not willing to do the work even the best equipment won’t help.

Just my 2 cents.
Your 2 cents is worth 20K in truth!