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Field Target is an arms race.

I just received my first shooting harness this week. Impressive how stable and relaxed everything becomes.

It’s surprisingly comfortable and I suspect it could also be used to gently extend my range of movement to reach positions that I normally could not. I don’t know that I will make it a goal to achieve a deadman position but I can say I look forward to shooting seated more than before. And more seated shooting is very valuable.
Your trying Open class? What strap setup did you go with?
 
What strap setup did you go with?

I'm thinking about trying Open Class also, and have invented a new strap setup. Kind of a full-body strap arrangement. Some folks think it's funny looking, but it's not as funny-looking as a lot of equipment we see in field target. Sure gets a lot of attention at the disco!

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I got mine from the source @SDstephan posted before. It’s a broad padded upper back pad with suspender straps to “wear” it and a pair of straps that hook over your knees. Should not be too hot even if it’s mid summer.

Now if I wanted to be very serious I guess I’d wear a shooting coat for standing shots but I’m just dipping my toes. I’ll get my butt kicked in all of the classes.
 
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I just received my first shooting harness this week. Impressive how stable and relaxed everything becomes.

It’s surprisingly comfortable and I suspect it could also be used to gently extend my range of movement to reach positions that I normally could not. I don’t know that I will make it a goal to achieve a deadman position but I can say I look forward to shooting seated more than before. And more seated shooting is very valuable.
With “deadman”, your position is legal in all AAFTA FT divisions: Hunter, Open, WFTF, Limited Pistol, Hunter Pistol.

I’ve never used a harness in competition. It might be helpful for stability, but then you are limited to Open Division only.
 
Very simple. Look at the equipment used at any disciplines National Championship. Now, I am an Indian not the Arrow guy, but be realistice. I have shot in these matches. No one, NO ONE, is there with the basic equipment to be involved in the sport. Do you need the absolute latest and greatest to compete? No, but you need a certain level of equipment to be competitive at the upper levels of any shooting sport. Will the best equipment make the lazy mediocre shooter relevant, nope. Nor will an excellent shooter win using a Daisy Red Ryder.

I think part of the problem is that your argument assumes that Anyone has the ability to win, it's just their access to the top tier goods that is keeping them from the podium. The folks who win do so because they put in the time with their equipment and have natural talents.

When we cherry pick the Nationals as our example, we are pointing to the MOST DEDICATED and talented shooters out there. Shooters who have put in the time and achieved the results which then allowed them to justify spending the dime (including the dime to attend that competition).

At the end of the day, the best equipment in the world is only worth a few points on the scorecard. If your that dedicated (or gifted) and your scores are that close to the Nationals, perhaps its time to bite the bullet, save a few shekels, and splurge on that trophy rifle you've been eyeing all these years. ;-)

I.E. it's only an arms race for those at the very top of the sport, and hard to even argue there as all the top competitors want the top gear anyway. Is anyone at the top of the sport even participating in this broader discussion? Or is this discussion amongst people vying for runner up?

I shoot Hunter FT with a Notos and a Westhunter scope. Granted, my scores are an irrelevant 30/60 average. Even if I had one of the Thomas' I compete against, I'd still be a < 40/60 shooter. I'll learn and tune my gun and body as best I can in hopes of being a 50/60 shooter. If I'm still having fun when I get to that level, perhaps I'll switch to a more expensive FT specific rifle. Or, perhaps I'll just buckle down and get the Notos to shoot a perfect score.

Let's pose the opposite point to the OP: If everyone shot exactly the same equipment, would we see different people at the Nationals? Or would the best shooters still be the best shooters? If the answer is the latter, then what are we even discussing here?

The whole discussion reeks of everyone gets a trophy mentality.

Cheers!
 
I think part of the problem is that your argument assumes that Anyone has the ability to win, it's just their access to the top tier goods that is keeping them from the podium. The folks who win do so because they put in the time with their equipment and have natural talents.

When we cherry pick the Nationals as our example, we are pointing to the MOST DEDICATED and talented shooters out there. Shooters who have put in the time and achieved the results which then allowed them to justify spending the dime (including the dime to attend that competition).

At the end of the day, the best equipment in the world is only worth a few points on the scorecard. If your that dedicated (or gifted) and your scores are that close to the Nationals, perhaps its time to bite the bullet, save a few shekels, and splurge on that trophy rifle you've been eyeing all these years. ;-)

I.E. it's only an arms race for those at the very top of the sport, and hard to even argue there as all the top competitors want the top gear anyway. Is anyone at the top of the sport even participating in this broader discussion? Or is this discussion amongst people vying for runner up?

I shoot Hunter FT with a Notos and a Westhunter scope. Granted, my scores are an irrelevant 30/60 average. Even if I had one of the Thomas' I compete against, I'd still be a < 40/60 shooter. I'll learn and tune my gun and body as best I can in hopes of being a 50/60 shooter. If I'm still having fun when I get to that level, perhaps I'll switch to a more expensive FT specific rifle. Or, perhaps I'll just buckle down and get the Notos to shoot a perfect score.

Let's pose the opposite point to the OP: If everyone shot exactly the same equipment, would we see different people at the Nationals? Or would the best shooters still be the best shooters? If the answer is the latter, then what are we even discussing here?

The whole discussion reeks of everyone gets a trophy mentality.

Cheers!
Actually the point is adequate equipment and lots of work = sucess. 98percent are unwilling to do the work. If you have inadequate equipment and work like the dickens you still in all probability come up short. Give the best shooters the worst equipment it's doubtful they will win. Give a poor lazy shooter the best equipment he will seldom win. Give a smart, hard working shooter adequate euipment he will be one of the guys always around and sometimes or maybe even often at the top. It's about the Indians not the arrow but the masses think they might buy points with equipment so equipmrnt continually evolves. If you don't evolve to some degree you will end up frustrated and eating dust.Some, usually those with a big ego get the trophy mentality, I agree. I feel sorry for them because when they NO longer win they have no fun and tend to disappear. What shooters don't recognize you need not beat any other shooters. They don't count. The match is between you and the target. Simple, beat the target and you will be s winner regardless of what the rest of the field does.
 
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Saying shooting sports are an arms race = admiting you suck at shooting.

There, I said it. Prove me wrong.

😜

This is me at an FT match last weekend. Basically just a monthly match. And sometimes I suck at shooting. But sometime I don't. 😁
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The whole discussion reeks of everyone gets a trophy mentality.

Cheers!

Only the overall high score got this particular trophy.

I'll make it easy on checking up the depth of the competitors at this monthly match: https://www.airgunnation.com/thread...der-cup-match-report-from-phoenix-az.1326158/

And just to be clear, yes, I used my expensive gun. And I did that cuz I wanted to win.

Nationals and GP standings are at least as much (maybe more) of a measure of dedication levels than they are a measure of shooting skill. Ie, East Coast = a bunch of talented West coat guys don't go. West Coast = a bunch of talented East Coast/PR guys don't go.
 
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Let’s say we’re less practiced or suffer from bullseye deficiency syndrome.
MEANWHILE
I’ve come to understand the “arms race“ as this thread is discussing, is fueled by:
Aging eyes trying to see better
Aging bodies try to work better
and
EGO trying to perform better and look better.
in the grand scheme of things, a place to practice and the time to practice, age and money all have a role in the game of field target excellence
You forgot the most important one: I'm old, I can now afford it, I want nice toys :)
 
This is me at an FT match last weekend. Basically just a monthly match. And sometimes I suck at shooting. But sometime I don't. 😁
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Only the overall high score got this particular trophy.

I'll make it easy on checking up the depth of the competitors at this monthly match: https://www.airgunnation.com/thread...der-cup-match-report-from-phoenix-az.1326158/

And just to be clear, yes, I used my expensive gun. And I did that cuz I wanted to win.

Nationals and GP standings are at least as much (maybe more) of a measure of dedication levels than they are a measure of shooting skill. Ie, East Coast = a bunch of talented West coat guys don't go. West Coast = a bunch of talented East Coast/PR guys don't go.
Ok. You got me dead to rights there.

:)


Cheers!
 
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