Fill tank recommendations

Hi All,
I am new to this forum and new to airgunning. This is my first post, so please be gentle lol. I just purchased a new FX Panthera 700 with plans of using in 22 PRS and airgun competitions. I'm looking for recommendations of an external fill tank that I can fill and use in between stages. If possible I would like to stay under $400. Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Erik
Here we go!

There is an old standard of destructive pressure testing in carbon fiber HPA air tanks (hydro-testing) I suggest you avoid in order to have a safe and long service life.

Hydro testing is not harmful to steel and all aluminum tanks as they are dynamic in structure, CF is static and hydro damages fibers.

To stay under $400 with a new tank, it will be relatively small and may not carry the DOT markings you will need for commercial refilling.

Also, it may be difficult to find an ultrasound test locally for your tank for recertification.

Here starts the ongoing argument: Out of service Carbon Fiber tanks with a good service record and in good physical shape may be a better selection for you if you fill them yourself.

Caveat Emptur applies

Good luck
 
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Here we go!

There is an old standard of destructive pressure testing in carbon fiber HPA air tanks (hydro-testing) I suggest you avoid in order to have a safe and long service life.

Hydro testing is not harmful to steel and all aluminum tanks as they are dynamic in structure, CF is static and hydro damages fibers.

To stay under $400 with a new tank, it will be relatively small and may not carry the DOT markings you will need for commercial refilling.

Also, it may be difficult to find an ultrasound test locally for your tank for recertification.

Here starts the ongoing argument: Out of service Carbon Fiber tanks with a good service record and in good physical shape may be a better selection for you if you fill them yourself.

Caveat Emptur applies

Good luck
Hey Firewalker,

I wont be filling tanks myself. At least not this year. I really dont want to buy used and obviously prefer a new tank that is DOT certified. If I stick with airgunning, then i will obviously make the investment to be able fill myself, and not worry too much if my tanks are DOT or not. Thank you!
 
You said you’re buying a compressor . Why the need for a DOT tank?
For 1/2 the money get a carbon fiber wrapped Tuxing or acecare.
My 3rd is on its way.
Hey Blackdog,

Im not sure one of the small Amazon compressors can fill a 6.8L or 9L bottle without cooking it. If that is an option, then I may do that, but would rather buy a larger compressor unit. I just cant do that right now, and will need a DOT bottle in the meantime in order for it to be filled by a scuba shop.
 
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If you're pretty sure you'll be getting a compressor later on why not look for an SCBA tank(s) that has a couple or 3 years left on the 15 year "life span" & that's still within hydrotest certification. Cheaper than brand new & a shop would be able to fill. Once you have a compressor you'd be filling it yourself. New DOT cf tanks are quite pricey.
 
I'll second what @Gerry52 said, as this is exactly what I did. I bought a used 45 minute tank off e-bay that had a full five years of life left on it and had a fresh hydro certification too - this gave me five years of use filling at a dive shop, and in that fifth and final year of it's life I bought a compressor and began filling it myself.

Eventually I added more tanks, and they all get filled at home. Like @Firewalker, I won't be doing any hydro testing on them since that test is about the worst thing we can do to our tanks - provided we know they are being filled with dry air. Be sure to use an appropriate desiccant dryer as you fill your tanks when you eventually get a compressor.
 
Hey Blackdog,

Im not sure one of the small Amazon compressors can fill a 6.8L or 9L bottle without cooking it. If that is an option, then I may do that, but would rather buy a larger compressor unit. I just cant do that right now, and will need a DOT bottle in the meantime in order for it to be filled by a scuba shop.
Eric , if you’re going to get one of those $200 to $250 small orange usually and will spend $100 to $200 more you can get a compressor that can do it all and no need to upgrade 3 months later

the big black one is a Tuxing txedm042 which I paid $360 .
the Gx cs4i which I added the big gold filters to is more at $580 straight from Gx. You can get cheaper on aliexpress.
i use them interchangeably. If time isn’t an issue the Gx can chug along and fill a 9 liter tank in one shot.
if you want a fast fill it’s the twin cylinder Tuxing. All parts are available for both.
The small orange ndcyjg on top of the black was not worth the expense being only $160 cheaper than Tuxing and can only fill individual gun.
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Eric , if you’re going to get one of those $200 to $250 small orange usually and will spend $100 to $200 more you can get a compressor that can do it all and no need to upgrade 3 months later

the big black one is a Tuxing txedm042 which I paid $360 .
the Gx cs4i which I added the big gold filters to is more at $580 straight from Gx. You can get cheaper on aliexpress.
i use them interchangeably. If time isn’t an issue the Gx can chug along and fill a 9 liter tank in one shot.
if you want a fast fill it’s the twin cylinder Tuxing. All parts are available for both.
The small orange ndcyjg on top of the black was not worth the expense being only $160 cheaper than Tuxing and can only fill individual gun.
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Blackdog, thank you for the compressor recommendation. My thought was to not buy a small one, and go right to the larger unit later this year or early next year. Good to know that the Tuxing is a viable unit. TY
 
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I don't think the Aliexpress tanks are DOT approved & a shop won't fill. Look on Ebay for a good SCOTT SCBA (the most dependable & robust imho) with some time left on it. Hydrotesting is NOT the worst thing you can do to it. It's still the standard method of testing firefighters tanks & their LIVES depend on them lasting & working in harsher conditions than airgunners put them through! That's my PROFESSIONAL opinion.
Something like this but with a little more time left. One in link has an October, 2011 mfg date.

 
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I don't think the Aliexpress tanks are DOT approved & a shop won't fill. Look on Ebay for a good SCOTT SCBA (the most dependable & robust imho) with some time left on it. Hydrotesting is NOT the worst thing you can do to it. It's still the standard method of testing firefighters tanks & their LIVES depend on them lasting & working in harsher conditions than airgunners put them through! That's my PROFESSIONAL opinion.
Something like this but with a little more time left. One in link has an October, 2011 mfg date.


According to 1.4 million carbon fiber scba tanks that have been replaced due to destructive hydro testing, you are the outlier.

Hydro testing is the reason for the short 15 year life.

30 year tanks cannot be hydro tested or they are ineligible for the 30 year service life.

No real debate here kids, it's completely documented and I've posted links twice already.
 
In reading @Gerry52's comment above, I'd like to clarify something I said in an earlier post, where I said a hydro test is about the worst thing we airgunners can do to our tanks . . . .

Hydro testing has its place. When wrapped SCBA tanks were new and had no history, DOT mandated the 15 year life with a 5 year recert via visual inspection and hydro testing. Given the tough usage the firefighters put tanks through, it was not unreasonable. Now, with all the experience we have, one could argue that the hydro may not be as necessary (or that the life should be longer), but that is not my point here. My point is this: If I were buying a tank of unknown history or with any question at all on its history of fills being free of water, I would want it to have a current hydro certification. After that, who knows - but I would want to know that it is a "good" tank, and the hydro would prove that.

Now, for a new tank used properly by an airgunner (as opposed to fire fighting duty) , I think things are a bit different. For example, I have a 9L tank that I purchased about a year ago that has only seen fully dry air, was filled once from empty to max, and then refilled from maybe 3800 psi back up a couple dozen times (if that). It sits, fully protected in boots and with wrap (and recently also in a case), bungied vertically in a corner near my compressor and has not moved much from there, so it has never been exposed to UV light and has only experienced a temperature swing of very few degrees. The partial top-off fills have been slow from my Shoebox compressor with fully dried air, and that tank has led a great life so far. In summary, it is "living a life" so far below the expectations of the design parameters for it (compared to typical firehouse use) that by comparison to what it was designed for, it is barely being used.

In the case of that specific tank, I won't be hydro testing it (it is a CE tank anyways, but that is a separate discussion). I will empty it and fully visually inspect it inside roughly every five years, but that is the extent of what I'll be doing as I keep on using it for a long time.

Hydro testing has its place, but I personally do not think it is warranted in all airgunning cases. That said, caveat emptor - and do things properly to manage the risks of high pressure air storage and use.
 
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IF you are, in fact, going to get a compressor, a tank from ebay will save you some money. If money isn't an issue then do what you will. You might want to get some feedback from others about the tanks, delivery time, customer service, etc. from others here on the forum who've ordered the same thing from the same place. After 30 years in the Fire Equipment industry I'd still rather have a used Scott SCBA than a new Aliexpress tank but that's just MY opinion. YMMV.
 
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I don't think the Aliexpress tanks are DOT approved & a shop won't fill. Look on Ebay for a good SCOTT SCBA (the most dependable & robust imho) with some time left on it. Hydrotesting is NOT the worst thing you can do to it. It's still the standard method of testing firefighters tanks & their LIVES depend on them lasting & working in harsher conditions than airgunners put them through! That's my PROFESSIONAL opinion.
Something like this but with a little more time left. One in link has an October, 2011 mfg date.

I good with non DOT. For half the price new. I just don’t live afraid of things
 
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Eric , Thats a nice tank . Mine should be here Monday. I do have the 3 liter and 9 liter. Somebody mentioned eBay .
i bought my 3 liter on there. I have since switched to aliexpress as I have learned to trust them and cheaper. Got the same compressor and have to say I really didnt need the Gx . The Gx is good for filling a large tank from dead empty though.
takes time but very little heat and low noise.
have the 042 Tuxing going to a 5 gallon bucket. I bought a New water pump on amzon for $24 that has 3 times the flow.
Still have to get through the 1/4 inch ( I think) inlets in the heads but timed both pumps and the new has almost twice as much flow. Gonna make it self contained in future. It’s fast.
 
Eric , Thats a nice tank . Mine should be here Monday. I do have the 3 liter and 9 liter. Somebody mentioned eBay .
i bought my 3 liter on there. I have since switched to aliexpress as I have learned to trust them and cheaper. Got the same compressor and have to say I really didnt need the Gx . The Gx is good for filling a large tank from dead empty though.
takes time but very little heat and low noise.
have the 042 Tuxing going to a 5 gallon bucket. I bought a New water pump on amzon for $24 that has 3 times the flow.
Still have to get through the 1/4 inch ( I think) inlets in the heads but timed both pumps and the new has almost twice as much flow. Gonna make it self contained in future. It’s fast.
Will I be straining that Tuxing compressor filling that tank or will it be OK without mods?
 
Will I be straining that Tuxing compressor filling that tank or will it be OK without mods?
Unfortunately I can’t answer. I filled my 9 with the Gx before I got the Tuxing. As soon as my 6.8 arrives I’ll try it.
Seems like we covet the air already filled. Haaa. Even if the temperature got high you could give it a cool down which many on here do anyway. Once you fill to 4500 psi your only topping off from around 3500 ish.
as soon as I get it I’ll post.
 
Unfortunately I can’t answer. I filled my 9 with the Gx before I got the Tuxing. As soon as my 6.8 arrives I’ll try it.
Seems like we covet the air already filled. Haaa. Even if the temperature got high you could give it a cool down which many on here do anyway. Once you fill to 4500 psi your only topping off from around 3500 ish.
as soon as I get it I’ll post.
Sounds good. I think I'm going to order up that compressor and tank. The new rifle gets delivered tomorrow!