First attempt at sorting by weight

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iAMzehTOASTY1 said:
Oh I'm with ya there😅 spent most of my life pb'N.
Only less than a third of my life has been with "air" slingers🥴 however I've bow hunted, muzzleloader hunt3d....pretty much everything else extensively. Working on "air" lead slingers for now and realizing(like other have/will) that THIS sport is a BIG/complex challenge when compared to pbS
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Trigger time is trigger time. It's funny how some air gunners think that unless you have been shooting PCP's for years, you have not the ability to shoot a PCP and IF you ever have a problem with a new PCP, your shooting ability is usually the first thing questioned, can't possibly be the PCP. The ability to shoot accurately doesn't go away when you change disciplines, IF you have the ability. Just a different animal.😁
 
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Richieg said:
Trigger time is trigger time. It's funny how some air gunners think that unless you have been shooting PCP's for years, you have not the ability to shoot a PCP and IF you ever have a problem with a new PCP, your shooting ability is usually the first thing questioned, can't possibly be the PCP. The ability to shoot accurately doesn't go away when you change disciplines, IF you have the ability. Just a different animal.😁
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Exactly right. I took a two year hiatus from shooting powder after Covid took ammo and reloading supply prices through the roof. Over those two years I spent countless hours throwing countless pellets down range. I learned more about ballistics and various shooting techniques over that time than I had in the many more years of firearm experience I had. I can probably thank the finicky nature of springers for that.

About a year ago I started shooting my long range rifles again. Wouldn't you know it, my groups were smaller than they had ever been. The reasons for that? I was holding the gun much more consistently and pulling the trigger and following through better than ever. I was reading wind better. Nearly every aspect of airgun trigger time transfers to firearms.

My firearm friends always roll their eyes when I say they should get a pellet gun to practice with at home. That's fine. It'll be our little secret I guess 😄
 
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Richieg said:
Trigger time is trigger time. It's funny how some air gunners think that unless you have been shooting PCP's for years, you have not the ability to shoot a PCP and IF you ever have a problem with a new PCP, your shooting ability is usually the first thing questioned, can't possibly be the PCP. The ability to shoot accurately doesn't go away when you change disciplines, IF you have the ability. Just a different animal.😁
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Yesssss!!!!
I try to use a different setup every time I sling lead. No matter pb or air. Makes me work on remembering setups more. I shooould start writing down MY data or each setup...but then knowing me I'd lose the paper.🤣
 
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Chukar60 said:
OMG had no idea people got this detailed about their pellets. I get the sorting thing but assumed a .25 gr variance was about as tight as made practical sense. However, getting down to .10 grain then sizing them?
I don’t shoot paper except to tune and sight in. My guns shoot nice tight groups. This would undoubtedly shrink the groups a bit but I don’t have the patience. As long as I am minute of ground squirrel head at 50 yards I am happy. You folks seem to be going for minute of squirrel eye.
I do admire your diligence, perseverance and dedication though.
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Yeah Chuck,
If your just plinking or shooting out to 50 yards, sorting by head size and weight doesn't make that much difference in my RAW Poly barrel.
When you go out to 100 yards, differing weight matters significantly more, as I've seen (muzzle) ES differing 30 fps with a 1 grain pellet difference.

It all depends on what your goals are and what your shooting.

See this article from Bob Sterne
hardairmagazine.com

How Important Is Extreme Spread To Accuracy? - Hard Air Magazine

Extreme Spread is the difference between the fastest and slowest shots in a string. But how important is Extreme Spread to accuracy?
hardairmagazine.com hardairmagazine.com
 
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iAMzehTOASTY1 said:
Yesssss!!!!
I try to use a different setup every time I sling lead. No matter pb or air. Makes me work on remembering setups more. I shooould start writing down MY data or each setup...but then knowing me I'd lose the paper.🤣
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It's called bench manners. Never talked about, nothing to sell. Pretty much the same with flags. I read posts where guys are shooting in double digit wind with no flags are explaining their ugly groups and think they are learning something. I guess ignorance is bliss. It's ok to try different things but ultimately the guys at the top develops a process that works and discipline themselves to stick to it and to eliminate all the variables they can. I am a believer there can be more than one way to do in a cat but to ignore what the CONSISTENT place winners is doing is not wise.
 
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Now, sorting pellets. I shot several pellets in 10 shot group's at 20 meters yesterday. Both of the two pellets I favor had 9 shots in a hole maybe 2/3s the size of a dime with one out of
The group by close a half inch. Was it me, maybe. So this coming week I will sort out pellets by weight and see if it cuts out the flyers. Most of our local,matches end it ties or only 1 point seperating the top finishers. Currently all shooting indoors, no conditions to deal with. Yep, springers are demanding but I know when I did not shoot a good shot......I think, lol.
 
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My scale only weighs to the tenth of a grain, but it's worked for me. Chances are, all those pellets will shoot well if you only shoot within one weight group at a time. I would stay away from the extremed ends of the specturm, though. Once you change, then your POI might change. Also, you must visually inspect for damaged skirts.

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JEFFPPC said:
Now, sorting pellets. I shot several pellets in 10 shot group's at 20 meters yesterday. Both of the two pellets I favor had 9 shots in a hole maybe 2/3s the size of a dime with one out of
The group by close a half inch. Was it me, maybe. So this coming week I will sort out pellets by weight and see if it cuts out the flyers. Most of our local,matches end it ties or only 1 point seperating the top finishers. Currently all shooting indoors, no conditions to deal with. Yep, springers are demanding but I know when I did not shoot a good shot......I think, lol.
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Sorting works. Here's my results with myTM1000 in .177 caliber. You can see how the variations can result in a one point loss in a match.

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jps2486 said:
Sorting works. Here's my results with myTM1000 in .177 caliber. You can see how the variations can result in a one point loss in a match.

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Good report. I've been weight sorting for a couple years. Yes it can make a difference, especially under ideal conditions where the fliers are entirely on the pellet.
 
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jps2486 said:
My scale only weighs to the tenth of a grain, but it's worked for me. Chances are, all those pellets will shoot well if you only shoot within one weight group at a time. I would stay away from the extremed ends of the specturm, though. Once you change, then your POI might change. Also, you must visually inspect for damaged skirts.

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That's been my experience as well. As long as I stay within same weight group, the pellets are consistent. As I progress to the heaviest groups, the poi raises. As I shoot from the lightest groups, the poi lowers.
 
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JEFFPPC said:
It's called bench manners. Never talked about, nothing to sell. Pretty much the same with flags. I read posts where guys are shooting in double digit wind with no flags are explaining their ugly groups and think they are learning something. I guess ignorance is bliss. It's ok to try different things but ultimately the guys at the top develops a process that works and discipline themselves to stick to it and to eliminate all the variables they can. I am a believer there can be more than one way to do in a cat but to ignore what the CONSISTENT place winners is doing is not wise.
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I'm confused. I know it was windy, what the wind was.
I'm not trying to win Amy contest. My groups are how they are.
What are you trying to tell me?🤔
 
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JEFFPPC said:
If you want to see the potential of the pellet shooting it in the wind is not going to give you an accurate picture.The idea of using flags is so you know when there is a change in intensity and/or direction.
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My bad😅 i agree: I thought this was a different thread🫠 wasn't awake enough when posting🤣
 
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Yesterday I weight sorted 10 pellets down to .02. Then I took 10 at random. Air Arm's 10.3 Diablo Field Heavy. Shot the 10 shot group at 20 meters(22ft) off front rest and rear bag. Yep, random shot a bit smaller. So in the photo is the random pellets on the far left, then the weighed pellets then for comparison 8.44 AA, and on the far right 10 of the 8.44 prior to the current spring. The 8.44 was the best until I replace the spring and increase the fps by 100. Ever since I get verticle with them. Before the 8.44 were best with the 10.3 shooting slightly bigger. With the added 100 fps the 10.4 now do the best. I never sorted pellets before, might not again unless I can see a difference outdoors this summer. I think (dangerous) with a Springer there is so much on the shooter that sorting might be busy work. Now, a top end PPS, no. Measure ments are edge to edge less .177, or center to center.
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Sqwirlfugger57 said:
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Ok so I'm really not sure exactly how to process this. My gut is telling me to seperate the 15.98gr (possibly 15.94gr?) through 16.12gr into a seperate tin for testing. These pellets as a whole have done very well for me aside from the occasional flier. Looking at the group here I think its safe to say where those occasional fliers came from...

Just looking for some insight from guys who have done this before I start grouping them. It's a bit too windy to do that today anyway so hopefully next week.
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Way too precise on weight. Tightest I’ve ever done was say 15.8-15.89. But you can do 15.1-15.29 for 2/10g spread. That’s plenty good overall.
 
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