N/A First Gun: FX Dynamic vs Umarex Zelos

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fishgod said:
28" to the end of the barrel or to the end of the bottle? And bottle size?

Did you have to shorten the actual barrel, or just have to cut the shroud? And did it get much louder by doing this?

I would potentially be interested in doing something similar if I find myself wishing for a shorter overall gun later on
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They are the compact design by me, the barrel is shortened to 500mm and the shroud is shortened to leave minimal space in the shroud.

There is work being done to match up moderators with OAL of the bottles gun with different bottles.

Shown is a .36l carbon fiber bottle.
 
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Firewalker said:
They are the compact design by me, the barrel is shortened to 500mm and the shroud is shortened to leave minimal space in the shroud.

There is work being done to match up moderators with OAL of the bottles gun with different bottles.

Shown is a .36l carbon fiber bottle.
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Do you know roughly how much of the shroud one could remove without shortening the barrel? I've read about people installing baffles so I assume there must be a couple inches at least
 
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fishgod said:
Do you know roughly how much of the shroud one could remove without shortening the barrel? I've read about people installing baffles so I assume there must be a couple inches at least
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I did install those baffles, I’d say from memory they’re about 3/4 an inch and u put in 4 .
So 3 maybe 31/2 inches.
By the way I didn’t hear much if any differences
 
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Peashooter said:
1400 CC
I would not like to wield that, but i could probably get behind it at a bench if i put the front of it on a sandbag CUZ i doubt you can finagle a bipod on it.
I simply can not get myself to count a dual bottle setup, if i was to need mobility i would still tether but to a 3 L bottle on my back.

FIY Denmark do not have so think bush that tether entanglement would be a issue.

I totally acknowledge other people do what the hell they like, i would NOT have that any other way.

PS i do see the trigger guard bipod in the picture, but like dual bottles i would not go there.
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It also has an extended rail , so a bipod can be mounted anywhere along its length, ( which is not installed on it at the moment) Sandbags: That's how I like to shoot it and it does extremely well. With either slugs or pellets. In its current configuration, I would not want to take it squirrel hunting. But that can all be un-done. Remove the silencer ( which is a shade less than 9 inches) and it becomes much shorter and less cumbersome. Remove the big Optic and fit it with a straight 6x -1 inch tube. Then it becomes much more agile and lighter. The thing is built like a tank and is hair splitting accurate. Well capable of more than 150 shots. on a fill. BUT, I do see your point. There are better options for the OP's wish list. I wouldn't categorize the gun as lightweight but it could be done pretty easily. At least for me.
If shot count is your thing, this is your gun.
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ChefSparrowRagazzi said:
It also has an extended rail , so a bipod can be mounted anywhere along its length, ( which is not installed on it at the moment) Sandbags: That's how I like to shoot it and it does extremely well. With either slugs or pellets. In its current configuration, I would not want to take it squirrel hunting. But that can all be un-done. Remove the silencer ( which is a shade less than 9 inches) and it becomes much shorter and less cumbersome. Remove the big Optic and fit it with a straight 6x -1 inch tube. Then it becomes much more agile and lighter. The thing is built like a tank and is hair splitting accurate. Well capable of more than 150 shots. on a fill. BUT, I do see your point. There are better options for the OP's wish list. I wouldn't categorize the gun as lightweight but it could be done pretty easily. At least for me.
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Uragans look amazing and I'd love one, but yet again it is another gun/brand that's unavailable in Canada
 
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blackdog899 said:
I did install those baffles, I’d say from memory they’re about 3/4 an inch and u put in 4 .
So 3 maybe 31/2 inches.
By the way I didn’t hear much if any differences
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I've tried two different cups and a baffle stack, 2dB difference. Useless space as far as it goes.
 
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If upper 20s to low 30s fpe is OK I am confident tou can get at least very close to 150 shots from a 400+cc bottle on a M60 or Zellos. The longer barrel of the Zellos would help. My P35-22 is at the reg setting it came with and pushing 21 gr H&N pellets about 820 fps. It doesn't like 18 grain but pushes them significantly faster. It stores less than 250cc of air which gives me about 60 shots. A little less fpe and it would do 75. I think 100+ is safe to assume and 150 is possible if you really want it. That gun is also a couple years old and has not even needed an O-ring.

It also killed a small 8 lb raccoon with a brain shot. 32fpe is plenty for small game.
 
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JimD said:
If upper 20s to low 30s fpe is OK I am confident tou can get at least very close to 150 shots from a 400+cc bottle on a M60 or Zellos. The longer barrel of the Zellos would help. My P35-22 is at the reg setting it came with and pushing 21 gr H&N pellets about 820 fps. It doesn't like 18 grain but pushes them significantly faster. It stores less than 250cc of air which gives me about 60 shots. A little less fpe and it would do 75. I think 100+ is safe to assume and 150 is possible if you really want it. That gun is also a couple years old and has not even needed an O-ring.

It also killed a small 8 lb raccoon with a brain shot. 32fpe is plenty for small game.
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That is awesome to hear. I'll probably be looking for something around 30fpe give or take a couple depending on what pellet it shoots best. The more shots I can get at that power, the better.
 
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I just wanted to thank everyone for their input. It has been extremely helpful

I have decided to go with the Zelos/M60B platform. It seems more than enough for my needs, and the shorter form factor will be nice to have. I do have a few follow up questions however:

1. Zelos or M60B
Wes has the Zelos in stock where the M60B is a preorder. Is there anything that makes the M60B worth waiting
Foster fitting (zelos) vs a probe(m60b)?
26" barrel vs 24" barrel
Different regulator supposedly?


2. Planning on 2 580cc tanks that I will hot swap. Any forseeable issues here? Each tank should give me a bit over 100 shots around the default regulator setting I think?

3. I see they sell bottle to shroud attachments. Is this necessary for strength? Would accuracy suffer with one? Should I be worried about these longer bottles breaking off if bump the gun into something gently?

4. Any other considerations I should take or things to look for?
 
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If you have a bottle on either gun you will fill through a foster fitting. That is assuming you do not buy one of the very early m60s that had to have their bottle removed to fill it. I think the difference is just the barrel length but there are others (like firewalker) who know a lot more than I do about M60s. The longer barrel will give you more velocity but lengthen the gun. To have a bottle on a Zellos you have to convert it but you can buy the parts from Wes at Airgun, Archery Fun. He could also give you good input on differences. Right now I think M60s are not in stock but Zellos are. You could even think of using the Zellos cylinder as your extra air supply. It isn't big but at a reasonable (like 30 fpe) tune it would probably give you at least 50 shots.

It sounds like you tune for accuracy and trajectory rather than maximum power. That is what I do. When I find an accurate pellet and the gun is shooting them 800-900 fps (or a little more) I quit messing with it.
 
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JimD said:
If you have a bottle on either gun you will fill through a foster fitting. That is assuming you do not buy one of the very early m60s that had to have their bottle removed to fill it. I think the difference is just the barrel length but there are others (like firewalker) who know a lot more than I do about M60s. The longer barrel will give you more velocity but lengthen the gun. To have a bottle on a Zellos you have to convert it but you can buy the parts from Wes at Airgun, Archery Fun. He could also give you good input on differences. Right now I think M60s are not in stock but Zellos are. You could even think of using the Zellos cylinder as your extra air supply. It isn't big but at a reasonable (like 30 fpe) tune it would probably give you at least 50 shots.

It sounds like you tune for accuracy and trajectory rather than maximum power. That is what I do. When I find an accurate pellet and the gun is shooting them 800-900 fps (or a little more) I quit messing with it.
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Yup, I'll reach out to Wes before buying it and see his thoughts, as well as how long the preorders on the bottle conversions are estimated to take. I believe they just sold out of the conversion kits. The stock tube is alright and I may use it still, but I'll never say no to more shots

The shroud is the same length on both so the guns are actually identical length, but the longer barrel inside does sound nice.

Yes, I'll take accuracy over absolute power. Find a good pellet and speed and then stick with it, same as you.
 
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Norcal said:
So, fishgod - did you get your Zelos .22? If so, how's it shooting for you?
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Sorry for taking a while to get a proper update. I wanted to get any issues sorted before posting

I'm in Canada so I bought the Zelos .22 through Wes at Airgun Archery Fun, as well as a bottle adapter. Stand up guy, no problems there. The gun itself was flawless, however the bottle adapter was leaking at 2 out of 3 orings. The adapter to bottle connection oring was too small and unable to make a seal. (2.4mm thickness instead of the 3.1mm which I replaced it with). Also the fill valve oring had a large gash in it so I replaced it with a new identical one. Managed to get both at a local hydraulic store who didn't even bother to charge me for them since they were such small items.

After a thorough barrel cleaning, the gun is shooting excellent. As I want a fairly high shot count, I turned the pressure down to about 1600psi which had the JSB 18.13 (the most accurate pellet out of the ones I tried) shooting extremely accurately at 895-900fps.

Tuning it was a bit trickier as it seems the stock hammer spring was too stiff to have any usable adjustment at this lower pressure. Increasing spring turns was not giving any adjustment, in fact, it was slightly decreasing fps as the spring increased. I read about this on a different thread about the zelos and copied the shorter replacement spring suggested. This gave me adjustability from 500fps to well past the peak curve. I managed to tune it properly and the consistency of the fps increased, as well as the efficiency.

Shot count is excellent for me. After tuning, I get around 80 shots at full pressure, and the 700cc bottle I swap to afterwards gives me at least 200 more shots. So I am able to have close to 300 shots total at 900fps.

Accuracy is also excellent in my opinion. At 30 yards, a grouping of 5 shots makes one larger hole, about twice the size as the diameter of the pellets. I'd be pretty confident in being able to hit a literal pea or corn kernel 9/10 times at that distance. At 50 yards, they are less than 1/2 inch center to center. At 75 yards I get about 1 inch center to center. Anything beyond that distance and the wind played too much of a factor to give a fair rating.

Final thoughts: I'm extremely pleased with the gun once I got everything sorted out. The shot count is much better than I had hoped, so I may play around with increasing the pressure a little bit more. Accuracy has been great even in a light breeze, although I haven't had a dead calm day to try 100+ yard shots for fun. The trigger after adjustment is also very nice and light with in my opinion, a short and crisp second stage.

Happy to discuss anything else about it more, thanks again everyone for all the input!
 
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fishgod said:
Sorry for taking a while to get a proper update. I wanted to get any issues sorted before posting

I'm in Canada so I bought the Zelos .22 through Wes at Airgun Archery Fun, as well as a bottle adapter. Stand up guy, no problems there. The gun itself was flawless, however the bottle adapter was leaking at 2 out of 3 orings. The adapter to bottle connection oring was too small and unable to make a seal. (2.4mm thickness instead of the 3.1mm which I replaced it with). Also the fill valve oring had a large gash in it so I replaced it with a new identical one. Managed to get both at a local hydraulic store who didn't even bother to charge me for them since they were such small items.

After a thorough barrel cleaning, the gun is shooting excellent. As I want a fairly high shot count, I turned the pressure down to about 1600psi which had the JSB 18.13 (the most accurate pellet out of the ones I tried) shooting extremely accurately at 895-900fps.

Tuning it was a bit trickier as it seems the stock hammer spring was too stiff to have any usable adjustment at this lower pressure. Increasing spring turns was not giving any adjustment, in fact, it was slightly decreasing fps as the spring increased. I read about this on a different thread about the zelos and copied the shorter replacement spring suggested. This gave me adjustability from 500fps to well past the peak curve. I managed to tune it properly and the consistency of the fps increased, as well as the efficiency.

Shot count is excellent for me. After tuning, I get around 80 shots at full pressure, and the 700cc bottle I swap to afterwards gives me at least 200 more shots. So I am able to have close to 300 shots total at 900fps.

Accuracy is also excellent in my opinion. At 30 yards, a grouping of 5 shots makes one larger hole, about twice the size as the diameter of the pellets. I'd be pretty confident in being able to hit a literal pea or corn kernel 9/10 times at that distance. At 50 yards, they are less than 1/2 inch center to center. At 75 yards I get about 1 inch center to center. Anything beyond that distance and the wind played too much of a factor to give a fair rating.

Final thoughts: I'm extremely pleased with the gun once I got everything sorted out. The shot count is much better than I had hoped, so I may play around with increasing the pressure a little bit more. Accuracy has been great even in a light breeze, although I haven't had a dead calm day to try 100+ yard shots for fun. The trigger after adjustment is also very nice and light with in my opinion, a short and crisp second stage.

Happy to discuss anything else about it more, thanks again everyone for all the input!
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Awesome report! I received my Zelos .22 on the 12th and am finally going to get out to shoot it tomorrow. Reg was set around 2100 from the factory so I'll try that before futzing with it. I installed a Huben Cricket Bottle Regulator and a Tuxing 580cc 4500psi CF Bottle on mine. Sounds like I should be getting well over 100 shots out of mine!
 
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