First PCP, under $700

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Hello,

Im looking for something pretty specific PCP. Sorry if these requirements are way too specific for my budget. I’ve been looking for a PCP carbine to shoot in my city backyard 90% of the time, and 10% out in the mountain. I don’t know if this is possible. If not ALL the requirements are met, i do not want to purchase it, and will stick with just multi-pumps.

The order of importance:
-MUST be EASILY powered down to 500fps on .177 (7.4gr) lead pellets, and EASILY powered up to 800fps with the same pellet. If it can be powered down/up but needs disassembly or extra tools, i do not want that gun. If it can be only powered down to 600fps, i do not want it either.

-must be .177. I am shooting through a chicken wire mesh to shoot rats sometimes. Only pellet that doesnt mess up the wire was 177 pointed pellets.

-must be repeatable or semiauto CARBINE or PISTOL that is light weight. Needs to fit in a 22 gallon backpack. I was thinking Airforce Talon P at first.. but doesnt fit in the backpack, and does not have a magazine for repeating shots.

-Accurate to dime size in 30 -40 yards. (With high fps)

-Under $700 excluding air compressor, scopes, bipod, supressor or any other extras.

-more shots the better.

Again, i think im looking for too much within my budget, but i really have no use if not ALL requirements are met. Thank you in advance!
 
thammer said:
Kral NP-03. Under 6 lbs. Stock is removable in under 60 seconds. Side lever with adjustable transfer port will adjust 400-800+ fps and very accurate to 40 yards. $400 is under budget. Smaller air capacity but also refills quickly. 14 shot magazine and comes with 2.
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Thank you for this reply. After looking at this, people seem to say the only complain is not having a regulator. What does not having a regulator do?
 
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Puppadore said:
Thank you for this reply. After looking at this, people seem to say the only complain is not having a regulator. What does not having a regulator do?
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I second the Np03. Had one and regret letting that one go! Small, light, accurate and doesn't break the bank! As far as the regulator, not all guns need regs. I had actually installed one in my NP03 but removed it after a bit as I like the way it shot without better. As long as you get to know your gun and find out where it's most consistent you don't need a regulator. Also one less thing to go wrong! Good luck!
 
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Regulators help to control air flow throughout a fill. Guns without them rely on the valve being balanced for consistency. I don't see the lack of a regulator being a negative thing so long as the gun can shoot consistently.

I recently bought an unregulated Kral similar to the NP03. I have considered a NP03 and still may end up with one. I just posted about the Kral I bought here:

Kral Puncher S

I recently got back into air rifles after about 15 years. I wanted to shoot but circumstances made it difficult. One of the new PCPs I got is the Kral Puncher S .22. It has a 230 cc tank and 18" barrel. I bought this model mostly for backyard work but also to use in more open areas. When I...
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Kral Arms Puncher NP-01 Synthetic

Kral Arms is Turkish manufacturer of shotguns and airguns. These guns are produced with the highest level of technology combined with traditional handcraft. The brand new Puncher NP-01 from Kral Arms can be used as an air pistol as well as an air rifle. This NP-01 is equipped with a detachable...
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The artemis p15 fits that bill my friend had one in .22 and it was as good as my compact cricket at 1/3 of the price.. huma makes regulators for the p15 just in case you want to upgrade.. really light gun..aviable now in 177 at krale for 400n something and you will still available to buy a good scope..
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🔸 Your requirement of backyard quiet is easy to meet, put a silencer on (I posted a Silencer Specs Table for over 50 models today).

🔸 Your 22gal backpack is hard to quantify — guns don't get measured in volume but in OAL.... 🤣 How long is the max. length?

🔸 A repeater? Most PCPs come with magazines — PP700 is one of the few exceptions — but it fits most of your other requirements rather well.


🔸 Power adjustable in .177cal from 4.1FPE to 10.5FPE — without gun disassembly — without tools (500 to 800fps of 7.4gr).
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🔸 $700 max. budget!
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➔ In your OP you say "sorry" — and you did well saying that. Otherwise, I might have felt you're pulling our leg with that list of requirements.... 🤣


▪ You see, external power adjustment options are not yet "standard" in PCPs (in 5 years I would expect that almost every gun comes with it).

▪ And if the power can be adjusted externally it almost always requires at least a small tool like a hex key.

▪ Also, when making those adjustments you usually need to check the muzzle velocity to make sure you set it to the value that you have zeroed the gun for (500 or 800fps). For that you need another tool — a chrono ($100 for big and bulky, $200 for small and sexy).


▪ There are a few guns that use little wheels to make the adjustments, but you're asking for top tier guns.... (four digit sums before taxes).

▪ Also, the amount of adjusting you want to do is a very wide range (4FPE to 11FPE). Which usually means you need to not just to adjust the hammer spring tension (HST), but also the regulator. Only a tiny percentage of guns allow external adjustment of both (I'd estimate 5%).


🔶 At $700 it seems like you're hunting for a unicorn gun.... 😉




🔷 I have been hunting for unicorn gun myself — so believe me, I know the frustration.
As you get to know PCPs better and their features, strengths, and weaknesses, you might find that you can make some compromises you can live with — and still get a gun that performs well for most of what you need.

To find my unicorn gun (I actually did), I mulled over my requirements, analized why I wanted each, and if they were actually viable or really necessary, then I saved up a little bit longer — and bought the unicorn!


Best wishes for a successful unicorn hunt! 😊👍🏼

Matthias
 
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