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Wow, you just rocked my world! I was set on a swfa fixed 10x for my incoming Uragan, but NOW I am forced to rethink. I love new technology like this. Im a bit concerned about such a short (0.7”) eye relief??

Does the overall system result in less eye fatigue for extended viewing?

pretty excited about this optic, hoping its something thats tough and will last a long time.
 
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I previously had an MTC SWAT 12x50 with the super-close eye relief and it did not work well for me. I had it on a Wildcat and felt like I could never get the scope high enough. I am relatively tall (6'2") and had to kink my neck and lift my shoulder to get the right view. The view was nice, but I could not get over the ergonomics.

I now have an Immersive Optics 5x30 with a bit more generous eye relief of 1.7in. This is actually a pretty big difference from the SWAT, which I think was around 0.5in. The extra eye relief is a big improvement for me; it is much more comfortable now. Although 1.7in is still pretty tight compared to a conventional scope, it is easy to work with.

I'm not sure if it is related, but I also found the parallax setting to be much more forgiving on the 5x30 compared to the 12x50. The 12x50 seemed to have a paper-thin parallax focus, meaning it would go out of focus if the setting was even slightly off. The 5x30 seems to behave more like a traditional scope.

I have been very happy with the 5x30. It seems like it is a compromise between a traditional scope and the super-close eye relief scopes. You still get a nice FOV out of a relatively lightweight scope but it relaxes some of difficulties with the super-close versions.
 
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I previously had an MTC SWAT 12x50 with the super-close eye relief and it did not work well for me. I had it on a Wildcat and felt like I could never get the scope high enough. I am relatively tall (6'2") and had to kink my neck and lift my shoulder to get the right view. The view was nice, but I could not get over the ergonomics.

I now have an Immersive Optics 5x30 with a bit more generous eye relief of 1.7in. This is actually a pretty big difference from the SWAT, which I think was around 0.5in. The extra eye relief is a big improvement for me; it is much more comfortable now. Although 1.7in is still pretty tight compared to a conventional scope, it is easy to work with.

I'm not sure if it is related, but I also found the parallax setting to be much more forgiving on the 5x30 compared to the 12x50. The 12x50 seemed to have a paper-thin parallax focus, meaning it would go out of focus if the setting was even slightly off. The 5x30 seems to behave more like a traditional scope.

I have been very happy with the 5x30. It seems like it is a compromise between a traditional scope and the super-close eye relief scopes. You still get a nice FOV out of a relatively lightweight scope but it relaxes some of difficulties with the super-close versions.
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NickT- im a little confused, are you making a connection between your height (vertical) and the eye relief (horizontal)? Or 2 separate issues between the SWAT not having enough height, and also two little eye relief, which are both corrected by the immersive optic 5x30?

as far as the parallax settings, is that just the nature of the SWAT? Can someone with both 5x30 as well as the 10x or 15x immersive optics verify the parallax adjustments are similar?

I want to shoot out past 100m and I dont think the 5x will do it for me.


 
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Yes, I was making some connection between my height and the eye relief.

The way I am imagining it, the shorter the eye relief, the less vertical distance your eye can be off-axis from the centerline of the scope. I am not sure if this is actually true, but it seemed to fit my experience.

As a hypothetical example, imagine there is a scope design that allows the shooter to be up to 10 degrees off axis and still get a decent view. If one scope has an eye relief of 0.5in and another scope has an eye relief of 1.7in, then the first scope would only allow the shooter to have 0.09in of vertical offset while the second scope would allow 0.3in. This idea basically suggests that triple the eye relief should allow for triple the vertical misalignment.

Obviously, there are likely more factors at play because the eye-relief is not the only difference between these two scopes. But, I would not be surprised if there is a connection behind to what I am trying to explain here.

I guess I am basically just saying, the 5x30 seemed a lot more forgiving than the 12x50. I really had to contort myself to get a good view out of the 12x50, even though its dimensions are pretty similar to the 5x30. I was just presenting a theory as to why that might be.



Regarding the parallax difference, I am not sure if it was ultimately due to the difference in eye relief, or perhaps the difference in magnification, or some other difference. Since the 5x30 is lowest magnification model and the 12x50 (or 14x50) is the highest magnification, there are a lot of other factors that could be at play. But I did notice this difference. MTC actually sells the parallax sensitivity of their scopes as a feature because you can use it to accurate judge your distance. I just found it to be bothersome.



I hope this all makes sense...
 
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@bigHUN- whats your impression of the super close eye relief?
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Ah sorry I was drifted away for some time. Back to this question...

Do you use bino, monocular? Spotting scope? About the same comfort. For people never used bino the feel may be strange at the beginning.

So me to exxplain, I am resting/anchoring the rubber ring on my eyebrow bone and that helps to fix a distance from pupil to the lens. We can do that because we shooting airguns, right? Powder burners my hurt.
 
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No, you'll get the widows scar! No powder with out a couple inches of relief. Steve Allen (Airgunology) shows a guide similar to your eye doctors tool. To set forehead distance to where you want it. I don't need one but others might. Sets you up with proper relief without "fidgiting". Might check it out!

I'm not very good @ unsupported shooting but the Immersive helps me to acquire my target quickly, take aim and fire before I get the barrel wanders
 
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@bigHUN- whats your impression of the super close eye relief?
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Ah sorry I was drifted away for some time. Back to this question...

Do you use bino, monocular? Spotting scope? About the same comfort. For people never used bino the feel may be strange at the beginning.

So me to exxplain, I am resting/anchoring the rubber ring on my eyebrow bone and that helps to fix a distance from pupil to the lens. We can do that because we shooting airguns, right? Powder burners my hurt.
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So have you shot it transitioning from sitting to prone? Thats my big question. If its set for your eye in a sitting position, when you go prone your eye will be further away, forcing you to get closer than what would be normal (craining your neck?)
 
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