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mr_nom_noms_ said:
True, but the state of Florida is about the size of great Britain. The usa is monstrous by comparison. Also there is a mental health epidemic here that pretty much unchecked, aside putting everyone on antidepressants.

Mass shootings never used to happen and everyone had guns back then still, every pickup in every college parking lot used to have a rifle in the back window and there were no mass shootings (paraphrasing)

There is definately an active gun grab here and that's why the media is pushing anti gun stories.
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Yeah, I remember those days, as I graduated high school in '74. Grew up with a father with gun collection who taught me to shoot and hunt.

But we weren't selling the AR 15 and high capacity magazines to 18 year olds. People used and had common sense, and anti-gun control votes weren't for sale to the NRA.



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SteveV said:
Yeah, I remember those days, as I graduated high school in '74. Grew up with a father with gun collection who taught me to shoot and hunt.

But we weren't selling the AR 15 and high capacity magazines to 18 year olds. People used and had common sense, and anti-gun control votes weren't for sale to the NRA.



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They weren't selling them to 18 year olds but they were handing them out free.
 
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darylm said:
We have a deliberate degradation of values, morals and common sense problem in America, NOT a gun problem. If you can’t see that then you’re a fool.
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What i find funny is all the to do and attack on assault guns , but uet gun makers from toy cap guns , bb guns , air guns, ect... Seem to be gungho going full out to make everything they make look and act like a assult rifle/ pistol..

Almost like a set up job ..
 
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darylm said:
We have a deliberate degradation of values, morals and common sense problem in America, NOT a gun problem. If you can’t see that then you’re a fool.
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I don’t know about a deliberate degradation, but it would be equally foolish to think this decline will improve anytime soon -> Right! o_O

I can only foresee this problem deepening ……

In a world dominated by the internet, with Generation Z‘s socialization skills largely left to texts rather than face to face interactions - growing isolation is more the norm.

This is not good for nurturing community Morals, Values and common sense:whistle:.

IMO, while I agree the great majority of citizens don’t need this legislated on them, curbing the most aggressively, lethal tools seems a more practical solution to controlling the Mal-adjusted few.
 
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SpiralGroove said:
I don’t know about a deliberate degradation, but it would be equally foolish to think this decline will improve anytime soon -> Right! o_O

I can only foresee this problem deepening ……

In a world dominated by the internet, with Generation Z‘s socialization skills largely left to texts rather than face to face interactions - growing isolation is more the norm.

This is not good for nurturing community Morals, Values and common sense:whistle:.

IMO, while I agree the great majority of citizens don’t need this legislated on them, curbing the most aggressively, lethal tools seems a more practical solution to controlling the Mal-adjusted few.
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Carl M. Couldn’t have said it any better
 
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beerthief said:
" If you take away their rights , they will revolt ! But if you just take a little nip at one right , then another nip ,over the period of 25 years their right's will be gone and they will not notice "
don't remember who said that but he is right about it .
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That's very common reasoning for not giving an inch, but I don't think our current Supreme Court would ever let that happen in my lifetime (next 20 years).
 
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SpiralGroove said:
I don’t know about a deliberate degradation, but it would be equally foolish to think this decline will improve anytime soon -> Right! o_O

I can only foresee this problem deepening ……

In a world dominated by the internet, with Generation Z‘s socialization skills largely left to texts rather than face to face interactions - growing isolation is more the norm.

This is not good for nurturing community Morals, Values and common sense:whistle:.

IMO, while I agree the great majority of citizens don’t need this legislated on them, curbing the most aggressively, lethal tools seems a more practical solution to controlling the Mal-adjusted few.
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Like hammers, knives, machetes and crow bars or cars? Punish and make venerable, the many, esp, women, because of the few. When did that work last time?
 
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I think the more successful tactic will be to make things very expensive and difficult to get firearms, airguns and especially ammo instead of an outright ban. Things like high targeted taxes, lawsuits targeting ammo and gun manufacturers, bans on certain imports like what has happened to some ammo and guns, public shame by media and anti-gun groups like that on manufactures, vendors and associations like the NRA, less places to shoot, less places to buy, less carriers to ship or with restrictive difficult procedures and of course try after try of restrictive confusing moving target federal, state and local regulations etc that are exhausting and expensive to challenge. That is why I am trying to finish my airgun and firearm collection compete with ammo now rather than later. I know that airguns are less likely to get hit with these tactics but that New Jersey law classifying all airguns including a Red Ryder as a firearm has me concerned. Right now if I am discreet, I can shoot may airguns in the city I live in but all it takes is one bad actor for me to loose that right. Hopefully nobody will do violence with an airgun so airguns can stay under the radar.
 
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the reality is the gun owner no matter what kind don't want to have their hobby destroyed but there are those who are do just that
are there more idiots in this world or in the states i would say YES
and they think i gun will solve all problems
should certain gun be banned maybe, maybe not
maybe they should be treated like machine guns and or silencers where you have to get a tax stamp to own them
Oregan has machine guns that are legally owned but i have never heard of a machine gun attack
i would think these high-powered air rifle will get in someone sights at some point but will they care
and i have always though an AR is a dumb weapon in the first place and people that use them are just as stupid

just too damn much hate, i'm 73 and have seen enough stupidity in my life and we as HUMANS are to blame lets be better Humans
 
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SpiralGroove said:
That's very common reasoning for not giving an inch, but I don't think our current Supreme Court would ever let that happen in my lifetime (next 20 years).
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The “slippery slope” is real and very slick. Give an “inch” and they take a “mile”. Tools are just that, tools! Human tools? That’s another subject, but not really.🙈
 
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SpiralGroove said:
Yeah, I consider myself as a Moderate and wish the Assault Weapons could be managed better, but in College - back in the day ('80's) I had my Winchester 30/30 and Remington 742 Woodsmaster (30-06) hung on my (off campus), bedroom wallo_O.

Jezz, I bet that wouldn't go over to well now days ..... ;); I also Trick-or-Treated (Halloween) as a hunter with a shotgun ....... :whistle:
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When I was younger I had a weatherby 308, remington police model 870, and an ak47 on my wall. One night my buddy convinced this really cute waitress to hang out with us when she got off. Well, she ended up hanging out with me most of the night into the morning. She tells me she's married, but made it very clear she wanted to fool around. That just aint me, though. I would never consider willfully or knowingly violating a couples relationship. Anyhow, she spent the night. Nothing happened, but when I wake up she is gone, and I'm awoken by her husband in my room. Poor guy. I had the ak47 on one side of me in the bed, and on the other side my Rottweiler. Proceeds to, in the calmest and most polite manner I've ever heard ask "hey, what happened last night?" I told him. And he went on his way. :ROFLMAO:


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SpiralGroove said:
I don’t know about a deliberate degradation, but it would be equally foolish to think this decline will improve anytime soon -> Right! o_O

I can only foresee this problem deepening ……

In a world dominated by the internet, with Generation Z‘s socialization skills largely left to texts rather than face to face interactions - growing isolation is more the norm.

This is not good for nurturing community Morals, Values and common sense:whistle:.

IMO, while I agree the great majority of citizens don’t need this legislated on them, curbing the most aggressively, lethal tools seems a more practical solution to controlling the Mal-adjusted few.
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Surely you can’t be serious. According to the 2021 Alphabet org Uniform Crime Report, there are more murders committed with personal weapons, i.e., hands, fists, feet, etc. than rifles of ANY kind. And more than twice as many murders were committed with knives than rifles of ANY kind.

This information can be found very easily with very little effort. Don’t be so fast to extinguish my rights just because the mainstream media has convinced you that just because they’re frightened of a certain type of rifle you should be, too.

The type of thing you espouse sets all of us a very slippery slope. And don’t think for a moment that just because those people aren’t gunning for your walnut and steel now, that they won’t once they’ve accomplished their current objective. “Assault weapons”, then handguns (the vast majority of murders being committed by handguns), then scoped ”sniper” rifles, then shotguns, then airguns shooting more than 12 fpe.

Honestly, I’m amazed at the number of people who cannot seem to grasp this simple concept.

And THAT’S why we have constitutionally protected rights.
 
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ChrisS said:
I'm curious, you have an energy limit to be legal in Britain right? Obviously, you cannot buy an "illegal" airgun at the store but airguns are so easy to modify for more power. How do the officials regulate you? Is there a cop waiting at the range with a chronograph? If your out shooting/hunting out in the country, who would know if your putting out more power? And if you are caught making more power, how do they fine you? Sliding scale based on the the output or one base fine? Would you loose the gun? Go to jail?

I'm not trying to be snide or in any way disrepectful, just curious as to how your system works.

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Well at there forums it seems that is a hush, hush thing for some reason but it seems its reactive then proactive.

Kinda legal till you get caught. But you pay well if caught. Any "gun" there is considered a firearm and stiff penalties.
But funny i guess if you hold a fac license you could be called for random spot checks..

Funny no member here from the uk pops in and spells it out for ya.. it's funky
 
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