HW/Weihrauch for you DIY tuners

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I got a couple of early 77s mk2s
Real nice rifles a full length and a k .
You gave me the courage to do an experiment I've been looking to attempt but didn't have the cajones to try until today. I didn't take any pictures but I'll do my best to describe my process....

So I have a 97K with a Vortek 12ftlb kit in it. I was running it damn near max for FT at 11.8ftlbs with JSB 8.44gr. It was always a snappy/jumpy gun even at that power level. I figured reducing the piston weight would help.

Step 1) Reduces piston weight down to 215g (45g lighter, maybe a bit more forgot to measure). Then I put it back together and fired off a few shots before putting it over the chony. As you'd probably expect, the gun was pretty bouncy. What you may not expect was was that I lost nearly a full 2ftlbs and the gun felt terrible. Back in we go.

Step 2) I open up the transfer port to 3.2mm and added a small shim to the top hat. Put it back together and back over the chrony. I gained back about 10fps but the shot cycle didn't feel much better. Definitely significant bounce still.

Step 3) Added an additional spacer to the spring made of acetal. Probably close to 3/8" of added preload now. I hade to take about that much off the PG4 guide to make it all work. Put it over the chrony yet again and bam. Back to about 790fps.... with an odd bounce!!

Step 4) Opened the TP again, this time to 3.6mm. This actually gave me a decent increase in velocity. I am now sitting at 807fps and the bounce is gone. I need to accuracy test it tomorrow but inside on my 10m targets at 27x dialed in on my scope, the reticle is staying within the 1.18" circle when the gun fires. Absolutely an improvement over before. I'll probably remove that small spacer next and see if it softens it up a hair while keeping the rifle legal for field target use.
 
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You gave me the courage to do an experiment I've been looking to attempt but didn't have the cajones to try until today. I didn't take any pictures but I'll do my best to describe my process....

So I have a 97K with a Vortek 12ftlb kit in it. I was running it damn near max for FT at 11.8ftlbs with JSB 8.44gr. It was always a snappy/jumpy gun even at that power level. I figured reducing the piston weight would help.

Step 1) Reduces piston weight down to 215g (45g lighter, maybe a bit more forgot to measure). Then I put it back together and fired off a few shots before putting it over the chony. As you'd probably expect, the gun was pretty bouncy. What you may not expect was was that I lost nearly a full 2ftlbs and the gun felt terrible. Back in we go.

Step 2) I open up the transfer port to 3.2mm and added a small shim to the top hat. Put it back together and back over the chrony. I gained back about 10fps but the shot cycle didn't feel much better. Definitely significant bounce still.

Step 3) Added an additional spacer to the spring made of acetal. Probably close to 3/8" of added preload now. I hade to take about that much off the PG4 guide to make it all work. Put it over the chrony yet again and bam. Back to about 790fps.... with an odd bounce!!

Step 4) Opened the TP again, this time to 3.6mm. This actually gave me a decent increase in velocity. I am now sitting at 807fps and the bounce is gone. I need to accuracy test it tomorrow but inside on my 10m targets at 27x dialed in on my scope, the reticle is staying within the 1.18" circle when the gun fires. Absolutely an improvement over before. I'll probably remove that small spacer next and see if it softens it up a hair while keeping the rifle legal for field target use.
What was the TP size originally?
 
You gave me the courage to do an experiment I've been looking to attempt but didn't have the cajones to try until today. I didn't take any pictures but I'll do my best to describe my process....

So I have a 97K with a Vortek 12ftlb kit in it. I was running it damn near max for FT at 11.8ftlbs with JSB 8.44gr. It was always a snappy/jumpy gun even at that power level. I figured reducing the piston weight would help.

Step 1) Reduces piston weight down to 215g (45g lighter, maybe a bit more forgot to measure). Then I put it back together and fired off a few shots before putting it over the chony. As you'd probably expect, the gun was pretty bouncy. What you may not expect was was that I lost nearly a full 2ftlbs and the gun felt terrible. Back in we go.

Step 2) I open up the transfer port to 3.2mm and added a small shim to the top hat. Put it back together and back over the chrony. I gained back about 10fps but the shot cycle didn't feel much better. Definitely significant bounce still.

Step 3) Added an additional spacer to the spring made of acetal. Probably close to 3/8" of added preload now. I hade to take about that much off the PG4 guide to make it all work. Put it over the chrony yet again and bam. Back to about 790fps.... with an odd bounce!!

Step 4) Opened the TP again, this time to 3.6mm. This actually gave me a decent increase in velocity. I am now sitting at 807fps and the bounce is gone. I need to accuracy test it tomorrow but inside on my 10m targets at 27x dialed in on my scope, the reticle is staying within the 1.18" circle when the gun fires. Absolutely an improvement over before. I'll probably remove that small spacer next and see if it softens it up a hair while keeping the rifle legal for field target use.
have you got any rws superdome pellets?
If you have test them over the chrono rws are made of harder lead in comparison to jsb exact 8.44. They need higher release pressure.if rws are close in fps to the jsb I’d take some preload off the spring . Ideally you want the rws to be around 20fps less than the jsb exact.
You can use this to give an indication if you have to much spring .
With lighter pistons you can run a softer spring ,but longer lots more preload . Like a Titan no 10+ not sure if you can get them over in the states
 
have you got any rws superdome pellets?
If you have test them over the chrono rws are made of harder lead in comparison to jsb exact 8.44. They need higher release pressure.if rws are close in fps to the jsb I’d take some preload off the spring . Ideally you want the rws to be around 20fps less than the jsb exact.
You can use this to give an indication if you have to much spring .
With lighter pistons you can run a softer spring ,but longer lots more preload . Like a Titan no 10+ not sure if you can get them over in the states
I do not but I do have some FTTs which are a bit harder as well. They averaged 780fps for 11.7fpe and the shot cycle did seem a bit nicer. Its a bit late here now so further testing is going to have to wait until tomorrow.
 
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You should be about right @3.6
The older size piston 25mm was better than the 26 in my opinion.
3.6 feels right for what my goal is. I would have gone maybe 1 or 2 tenths less first just to see how it felt but I didn't have a bit that size so I went for broke with 3.6mm.
 
Sizes are in metric mate
I used 6mm delrin rod . Run a m5 die down the rod to create a thread .
Drill 5mm holes in the skirt of piston and thread with a m6 tap . Locktite the threads and screw in .
Remove the protruding threads from inside of piston until flush.
The turn down the buttons until you have a nice sliding fit to the cylinder 👍

View attachment 446733thanks for sharing your information. Much appreciated!

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Got to test my 97K tune today. I ended up pulling one spacer (0.145") which brought me down to FT legal. Here's some chrono numbers with JSB 8.44s:

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On to what matters... does it shoot? I'm going to say yes. Keep in mind I'm dealing with 10+ mph winds with one little ribbon down range as a wind flag.

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Got to test my 97K tune today. I ended up pulling one spacer (0.145") which brought me down to FT legal. Here's some chrono numbers with JSB 8.44s:

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On to what matters... does it shoot? I'm going to say yes. Keep in mind I'm dealing with 10+ mph winds with one little ribbon down range as a wind flag.

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Nice work. I've never even considering modding the TP hole. Do you like the results of this?
 
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Got to test my 97K tune today. I ended up pulling one spacer (0.145") which brought me down to FT legal. Here's some chrono numbers with JSB 8.44s:

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On to what matters... does it shoot? I'm going to say yes. Keep in mind I'm dealing with 10+ mph winds with one little ribbon down range as a wind flag.

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Nice chrono readings. Looks spot on 👍
 
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Nice work. I've never even considering modding the TP hole. Do you like the results of this?
I do like it but I need to test more to see how it works in the field shooting from different positions and holds still. I also want to shoot it next to an unmodified PG4 12ftlb kit to really see how much different it is. I think @shootermeb has one in the same stock even so I can get a direct side by side comparison at the next match if he'll humor me.
 
Nice work. I've never even considering modding the TP hole. Do you like the results of this?
Did some outdoor Field Target practice today. It was cold and windy but it did VERY well. Tried various holds from the ground and some standing offhand and POI was consistent across the board. I then broke out my TX200 (same power and short stroked ~11mm) and compared the recoil between the two. Believe it or not the 97K is tamer even with the slightly bigger piston. I am truly excited to see how she does at a match now
 
Opening up the tp is not something I have messed with. Am now curious if anyone has documented the effects in a way that provides direct data on the size of tp vs. Effect on fps etc. What would be the max before diminishing returns are reached. I assume it is a direct relationship to the caliber used where enlarging the tp can only be done to a certain percentage of the bore it is opening into before a loss in performance is reached?
 
Opening up the tp is not something I have messed with. Am now curious if anyone has documented the effects in a way that provides direct data on the size of tp vs. Effect on fps etc. What would be the max before diminishing returns are reached. I assume it is a direct relationship to the caliber used where enlarging the tp can only be done to a certain percentage of the bore it is opening into before a loss in performance is reached?
It’s a fine balance.ive only done it when tuning a set up with a very light piston in sub 12 rifles .
Caution if you open it up to much the shot cycle can be horrible.you can make threaded inserts with different size ports as long as you get them to seal .