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Forced Kneeling

Just returned from the European FT championship, no aids, no buckets, sticks or whatever allowed.
Just pure old rules FT, 3 days shooting comp, probably about 1 mile walk around the course, difficult terrain. 200 plus shooters, not one complaint, just a few groans, my legs, my replacement joints, my back etc.
Great time had by all, yes a few aches, a few thought what am I doing here.
General consensus was, it's a competition. I'm shooting with friends, many languages spoken, many frowns and shakes of the head, often a hand to help you up, pat your back, then walk as comrades in arms to the next lane.
One guy, double knee replacement, 70 years old. Made the whole course, 3 days. Done all the positions, some allowances were made for his mobility but all his shots were still done in the allowed minutes.
Support, no rules broken or altered, just a bit tolerance and good spirit.

It's the spirit, not the formal rules. A bit like life in general.
Good luck guys.
 
OT a bit but I have a interesting story. Years ago when I would set up the FT courses I strayed from the norm and made "ONE" lane that required using 4 positions, so one shot was offhand, one kneeling, one sitting, and one prone. Yuh know just for the fun of it to break things up a bit and man did it do so but not like I thought it would.

Some of the older shooters actually thought I was purposely discriminating against them when in all honesty I hadn't considered the difficultly they would have getting into prone. That's one shot out of 40 mind you.

They banded together and got a hold of the club officers which got me in hot water but darn it somehow they wouldn't fire me. Kinda like like when my wife tells me I'm welcome to fire her if I don't like her cooking, lol.
Literally some never came back to our Mormon lake match in spite of my email of apology for not considering their physical limitations and a promise to not do such a thing again?!

Well alrighty then back to our scheduled programming.

Steve's post reminds me of how perceptions of discrimination can cost Field Target shooters. I witnessed the prone Hunter Class cluster**** from too close perspective. Time for another story from The Voice Of Experience.

Prone shooters almost immediately began dominating Hunter Class; including some Hunters that had previously seldom podiumed. Having been the dominant Hunter Class shooter in Texas before prone, and not the least bit interested in belly-flopping, my win percentage dropped from around 60-80%, to about half that. My best buddy, who had seldom podiumed before adopting prone, took my place as the dominant Hunter shooter. And another regular at the only FT club in Texas who had never podiumed began to regularly podium after adopting prone.

Many non-prone Hunters started grumbling; but I accepted prone as the new normal, and resigned to take my successes as they came (on especially 'on' days). I did tease the prone shooters as 'belly-floppers', but not as a derogatory term; simply a good-natured, term-of-endearment teasing. None seemed bothered by it, lest I would have desisted.

Apparently my other best buddy, who was Chairman of the AAFTA Board of Governors, was taking the Hunter grumblings more seriously than me. And apparently our club was a microcosm of national FT prone happenings, that were apparently growing contentious.

Next thing I knew the BoG had inserted wording in the Hunter Class rules that, although prone-type bipods were still allowed, they could no longer be mechanically attached to the rifle. That single rule modification effectively ended prone shooters' relatively short-lived domination of Hunter Class. Guess what?

Aforementioned two Hunters in our club who'd gone from also-rans to podium-placers by adopting prone immediately DROPPED OUT of Field Target when their advantage was removed. The only comment from my buddy was, "I don't need to hear this 'belly-flopper s*** anymore!" He also didn't want to hear that I never intended it as a slur; rather a good-natured term of endearment.

So our Texas club that routinely turned out 15 shooters at monthly matches lost two active shooters to perceptions of discrimination, overnight. Our club being an accurate microcosm of U.S. Field Target, do the math.

So Steve's post is a valuable reminder that some shooters perceiving a loss of advantage will just drop out. Consequently, on deeper pondering I hereby cease promoting an accommodation for shooters that cannot assume the Kneeling position. It NOW occurs to me if my proposal was actually adopted Field Target could lose 10-20% of it's shooters overnight. I wouldn't want to be responsible for that.

Having surrendered my crusade, be aware I won't suffer further criticisms gladly from anyone (still) misconstruing my motives as simply self-serving. That's simply not true.

Happy Shooting, Y'all.

Correction- ALL Y'all!
 
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So .. In reading what Steve states & Ron's statement, It could be assumed that those who CAN kneel and make points by doing well indeed have some advantage over those who can't and would shoot said lane with a disadvantaged offhand position required of them.

AND, if AAFTA took away the kneeling requirements those that can kneel would LOOSE there advantage and perhaps quit the game for the same underlying reason ... That of losing an advantage :rolleyes: .... Sounds realistic enough.
 
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So .. In reading what Steve states & Ron's statement, It could be assumed that those who CAN kneel and make points by doing well indeed have some advantage over those who can't and would shoot said lane with a disadvantaged offhand position required of them.

AND, if AAFTA took away the kneeling requirements those that can kneel would LOOSE there advantage and perhaps quit the game for the same underlying reason ... That of losing an advantage :rolleyes: .... Sounds realistic enough.
Just a reminder, there is no AAFTA kneeling requirement (yet?). The only requirement is that if the match director CHOOSES to have a positional lane be kneeling, there are rules about the kneeling position. But AAFTA is not forcing the match directors to have kneeling lanes. This has been 15 pages of arguing over a rule that doesn't actually exist. I'm just glad it's over.

I guess the question is this: If you as a match director decided not to have kneeling lanes at your matches anymore, would that have a positive or negative impact on match attendance. I know that at ASC it would have little to no impact either way on attendance. No one is skipping matches because we have kneeling lanes or not. They generally don't know until they show up if there will be kneeling lanes. I've only had one shooter specifically ask for kneeling lanes so that he could prepare for GP matches, and I haven't seen him in months.

Some interesting stats: Our last monthly match had a 27.63% hit rate on the kneeling lane for Hunter class and a 36.84% hit rate on the 2 standing lanes. So statistically, scores would have gone up if everyone would have shot the kneeling lane standing. However, this match was a little bit of an aberration (the kneeling lane was pretty difficult). Typically, the hit rate for our kneeling lanes hovers around 42%.
 
Attendance based upon PRE-KNOWING if or not kneeling was going to be required ... your likely correct.
At our Clubs monthly FT matches, I commonly set up a 6 shot offhand lane and tell the crew they can take 1 target in the kneeling position if wanted & Don't stipulate which target that is. Said ... one of these targets is set as a real stinker !!! and if you can kneel it is to that shooters advantage.

Yea agree threads done ...
 
And I'm the idiot that has to keep painting them. I mean, look at that fine Sharpie detail work. I may have missed my calling.

Now that I think about it, let's do 4 basic animal silhouettes, painted solid yellow with black paddles. That would make my life much easier. I'm selfish enough to make people shoot boring targets if it saves me 15 minutes at painting time.

Hey, Jeff, you thinkin what I'm thinkin?
This is what I’m thinking, Scott. That one on the right is just for Ron
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