Forced Kneeling

[zx10wall]

Agree that it has its “roots” in hunting. And we have cute little targets like wabbies that sit there for 5 minutes while we get ready to shoot him from our buckets. However, anyone that actually thinks Hunter FT simulates real small game hunting has never been hunting.

If you want an actual shooting sport that really simulates skills required for hunting, try NRL-22. I like FT, and EFT. But as a younger shooter new to FT recently commented somewhere here on AGN - “it’s like PRS/NRL-22, except for old guys”.

No, NRL-22 is like, in your own words Centercut, "It's playing Army with airguns!" I like all the events and will continue to do many disciplines.

 

[Franklink]

I've taken whitetail deer with center-fire, muzzleloader, and bow. Spring turkey with a box call and seated next to the base of a tree and shooting off my knee. I've also had fun removing coyotes and bobcats through sitting at the base of a tree and blowing on a cottontail distress call (.223 Rem). Fox and gray squirrels with a .22 (delicious). Bobwhite quail with bird dogs and shotgun (best wild game there is). Doves in the fall over planted fields and at watering holes. And for airguns: Euro doves, starlings, ground squirrels, prairie dogs, English house sparrows, etc.

In all of the above examples of hunting I've never shot through a Czech hedgehog or used a as a gun support. PRS/NRL looks a whole lot like urban warfare practice to me, and very little like the hunting experiences that I've had.

Nearly all of that hunting (not the wingshooting birds) was done sitting down and shooting in a position very similar to what we use in field target, usually the Hunter variety, but sometimes even off my knee like we'd see in WFTF or Open.

 

[Centercut]

No, NRL-22 is like, in your own words Centercut, "It's playing Army with airguns!" I like all the events and will continue to do many disciplines.

Exactly. I do too. But my point was Hunter FT is not a hunting simulation. As Jeff @Cloud9AG said above, “FT moved away from the hunting simulation game LONG ago. It is now just a competitive target shooting game.”
Oh, and my quote was “grown men playing Army”. That was as you well know, my initial impression of it a couple years ago, not recent. Now that I’m becoming familiar with it, positional shooting is very much like hunting. Much more than Hunter FT.

 

[zx10wall]

Exactly. I do too. But my point was Hunter FT is not a hunting simulation. As Jeff @Cloud9AG said above, it’s a target shooting game.
Oh, and my quote was “grown men playing Army”. That was as you well know, my initial impression of it. Now that I’m becoming familiar with it, positional shooting is very much like hunting. Much more than Hunter FT.

When's the last time you took a ladder hunting? Anyway, I digress. Y'all do what you will. I'll show up and continue to hunt for the win with the rules in place, whether altered or not.

 

[Centercut]

When's the last time you took a ladder hunting?

About the same time that I carried a bucket and sticks in the field

 

[Cloud9AG]

When's the last time you took a ladder hunting? Anyway, I digress. Y'all do what you will. I'll show up and continue to hunt for the win with the rules in place, whether altered or not.

Let's all just continue to compete with the rules as they are, and if you can't compete you still have benchrest.

 

[zx10wall]

About the same time that I carried a bucket and sticks in the field

I hunt with sticks every time I go hunting.................

 

[Centercut]

I hunt with sticks every time I go hunting.................

Don’t forget your bucket!

 

[zx10wall]

Don’t forget your bucket!

Sit on this boy!!

 

[Spinach]

I hunt with sticks every time I go hunting.................

So do I, walking sticks.
Get comfy on my FT cushion, all set. Sticks flat on the ground, they have done the work getting me here.
Anything that requires me to kneel gets a pass. It's lucky day.
FT sitting position carried over from my FT shooting, it definitely keeps me shooting.
Could I carry a bench into my local permission? No chance, would I want to, no.

Enjoy your shooting guys. Who knows what is around the corner.

 

[coldfield]

This was a long funny thread. I have a hard time with kneeing but I keep trying. Can't bend my knee all the way back to touch my butt, but the provision aafta added for the additional pad between ankle and butt helps a lot for me. I have also always believed in keeping the targets larger diameter and getting everyone shooting under 12 ftpds. Matches would be decided on the skill of the shooter reading wind. Their would be Less complaining about forced lanes. New shooter would be able to compete with inexpensive gun/scope set ups and help grow the sport. FT is not fun for me shooting 20ftpds. Made shots a PAC were I was holding 2" out of the kill zone to hit targets in the high wind open field lanes. Only miss one shot in the field all weekend. It almost made up for the dumb misses I had in the woods. But that is the part of FT that's fun for me why I keep coming back. That's why I shoot wftf in pcp and piston.

 

[AirNGasman]

Well then, it looks like I'll just have to keep winning FT matches with the Forced Kneeling handicap; like I've been doing for decades with several unforced (voluntary) handicaps so Y'all would have a chance.

 

[scotton]

It's funny, I thought I was speaking for the downtrodden masses and I would be paraded around the town square on the shoulders of happy field targeters. The torches and pitchforks were an unexpected development.

I've decided to go back to looking at kneeling lanes as a quirky and fun (and slightly painful) part of our quirky and fun (and slightly painful) sport. I still think it's an inherently unfair rule that demands a certain level of physicality that a lot of our shooters struggle with, but unfair rules that benefit a small portion of shooters has been part of field target from the beginning. Back to business as usual.

 

[davecole]

Scott, maybe if you suggested placing two additional targets on the kneeling lane to one side with a Troyer equal to (or higher) than that of the non forced lanes and have those who cannot kneel shoot standing with sticks. (ala EFT.)
(I dare not. I’m just an “also shot” in the sport.)

 

[Scotchmo]

… I still think it's an inherently unfair rule that demands a certain level of physicality …

That is true of most “sports”, but I would not say it’s unfair. It’s just the nature of sports in general. Though there are a few “sports” that don’t: benchrest, chess, etc.

 

[AirNGasman]

It's funny, I thought I was speaking for the downtrodden masses and I would be paraded around the town square on the shoulders of happy field targeters. The torches and pitchforks were an unexpected development.

I've decided to go back to looking at kneeling lanes as a quirky and fun (and slightly painful) part of our quirky and fun (and slightly painful) sport. I still think it's an inherently unfair rule that demands a certain level of physicality that a lot of our shooters struggle with, but unfair rules that benefit a small portion of shooters has been part of field target from the beginning. Back to business as usual.

I tried to organize such a parade Scott, but decided against it because it was clear those willing to hoist an odiferous giant on their shoulders are physically unfit to do so, and I was paranoid about the liability involved. So consider it done, My Hero; because it's now socially acceptable to identify as whoever or whatever One imagines himsel... errrr, hersel...errr, 'them'self to be.

Point is, we're with you Buddy!

Kind Regards,
God

 

[scotton]

I tried to organize such a parade Scott, but decided against it because it was clear those willing to hoist an odiferous giant on their shoulders are physically unfit to do so, and I was paranoid about the liability involved. So consider it done, My Hero; because it's now socially acceptable to identify as whoever or whatever One imagines himsel... errrr, hersel...errr, 'them'self to be.

Point is, we're with you Buddy!

Kind Regards,
God

My pronouns are Eff and Ewe.

 

[AirNGasman]

My pronouns are Eff and Ewe.

Eff, short for Effie. And Ewe, a female sheep. So Effie, the female sheep.

What are you doing after the next match, Eff? I make a dynamite Kale margarita! It'll blow Ewe mind!

 

[Cloud9AG]

I've got something to share with ya'll about the "unfairness" of Field Target over time. I'll upload this weekend. The early peek is that FT now is more "fair" and "accommodating" than it has ever been in the US, while other countries continue to stick close to the original spirit of the game. Yet some of you still continue to whine and ask for more. I maintain that if you can't do FT you can always go do Benchrest.

 

[thomasair]

I’d rather the weasels didn’t come over and try to mess up benchrest too.