Full auto with pellets?

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Has anyone ever made a full-auto carbine pellet gun?
If I recall correctly, Crosman made the 600 and 451 that were both carbine semi-auto, but that's as close as we ever got to carbine full auto. BB guns are available with full auto, but seemingly not pellet guns.
BB's don't have any preferred orientation for loading so perhaps that makes things a bit easier, but pellets have a definite front and back .... gotta maintain that during loading, right?

Some Umarex SAA pistols put the pellets in fake "bullets". Something like that could be the solution .... it would maintain proper orientation during loading, and the spent "shell" would eject like the "real thing". Sure it would be a gas hog (as were the Crosmans) but oh what fun!

Is it possible that the unparalleled realism combined with the speed and accuracy of pellets (compared to BB' might present potential legal barriers?
 
I guess it depends on what you mean by carbine. Evanix made a few select fire air rifles back in the day and there are a couple of them for sale in the classifieds right now. LCS Air Arms makes the SK19. Western Airguns makes the Rattler and the Sidewinder. Hatsan makes the Blitz.

The Sidewinder mini would certainly qualify as a carbine and Hatsan is supposed to be releasing a bullpup version of the blitz as well.
 
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borne2fly said:
Has anyone ever made a full-auto carbine pellet gun?
If I recall correctly, Crosman made the 600 and 451 that were both carbine semi-auto, but that's as close as we ever got to carbine full auto. BB guns are available with full auto, but seemingly not pellet guns.
BB's don't have any preferred orientation for loading so perhaps that makes things a bit easier, but pellets have a definite front and back .... gotta maintain that during loading, right?

Some Umarex SAA pistols put the pellets in fake "bullets". Something like that could be the solution .... it would maintain proper orientation during loading, and the spent "shell" would eject like the "real thing". Sure it would be a gas hog (as were the Crosmans) but oh what fun!

Is it possible that the unparalleled realism combined with the speed and accuracy of pellets (compared to BB' might present potential legal barriers?
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based on this post it seems like you’re asking for an exhaustive list of full auto pellet guns (non bb but including rifle and carbine) as opposed to strictly carbines but I might not be reading it correctly. @Sawney Bean and @dv8eod have correctly identified all the models I’m aware of and I looked up the strict technical definition of a carbine which is a shorter barrel version of an existing rifle. I believe the Sidewinder could be classed as a shorter barreled rattler, and the sidewinder mini an even shorter yet. Also the Hatsan blitz already exists as a bullpup but is only available overseas : ( I’m not sure if conversion to a bullpup qualifies as a carbine, it does have a reduced OAL but the definition I came across seems to strictly reference the barrel length. Basically I’m concurring with @Sawney Bean and the others who brought up the SMG 22 they seem to have nailed this question unless there’s additional full auto pellet guns I’m not aware of. Just my $0.02
 
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borne2fly said:
Thank you all for the replies!
I was never aware of the SMG .22. That's exactly the sort of thing I was wondering about.
The TechnoNerd in me now wants to study exactly how this thing works and what the design tradeoffs were.
Looks like a good project for the shop.
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With the SMG-22, the only trade off is time!
It takes about 15 minutes, to load 100 rounds in the belt...and about 5 seconds to deplete it!
 
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If I were truly insane, I'd make a project of machining a select-fire .22 cal pellet M1927 Thompson from all the billet steel cluttering up the shop.
I wouldn't ask for the fps of the SMG-22, I'd be happy with 400-450 fps. And a slower rate of fire more like the real Thompson.
And if it needed to house several 12g cartridges in the stock to spit out 50 rounds, I'd be ok with that too (no eternal air bottles).
Somebody .... stop me! :)
 
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borne2fly said:
If I were truly insane, I'd make a project of machining a select-fire .22 cal pellet M1927 Thompson from all the billet steel cluttering up the shop.
I wouldn't ask for the fps of the SMG-22, I'd be happy with 400-450 fps. And a slower rate of fire more like the real Thompson.
And if it needed to house several 12g cartridges in the stock to spit out 50 rounds, I'd be ok with that too (no eternal air bottles).
Somebody .... stop me! :)
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An accurate full auto Thompson would be awesome, but ideally it should be made in .25 or even .30. The real deal fired big slow bullets after all.
 
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An accurate full auto Thompson would be awesome, but ideally it should be made in .25 or even .30. The real deal fired big slow bullets after all.
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I had in mind to stuff the pellets into something like aluminum "shells" (like the Umarex SAA).
The extra mass would slow down the firing rate. A "shell" also would permit the use of conventional magazine feeds and shell extractors, so it would spit out a shower of spent shells under full auto, which I'd want to collect and re-use.
 
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SpringfieldScooter said:
Ive got one of these and plan on listing it in the classifieds soon.
Fun, but I seldom use it.
It will put a smile on your face.

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Guessing made by Tipmann?? Modeled after the most ugly paintball market in the world. If so I’m thinking that isn’t true full auto but rapid fire induced by trigger bounce. Basically what a bump stock does on an AR (not true full auto) but of course a completely different mechanism on the air rifle built into the trigger not the stock. I can see the small air piston behind the trigger in the video just like the tipmann 98 with response trigger.
 
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Guessing made by Tipmann?? Modeled after the most ugly paintball market in the world. If so I’m thinking that isn’t true full auto but rapid fire induced by trigger bounce. Basically what a bump stock does on an AR (not true full auto) but of course a completely different mechanism on the air rifle built into the trigger not the stock. I can see the small air piston behind the trigger in the video just like the tipmann 98 with response trigger.
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I believe so. It's "full auto" only. I'd like to see select-fire but have never seen that outside real firearms
 
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I believe so. It's "full auto" only. I'd like to see select-fire but have never seen that outside real firearms
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If it’s a response trigger with proper technique it can be semi burst or “full auto”

Edit. Might be different I guess with this gun as the paintball version ran at much lower pressure
 
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The trigger is like a precision throttle pedal.

You can fire 1 round at a time with a very gentle squeeze of the trigger.....but who wants that?

Pull the trigger back a little more, the cycle rate begins to increase.

Full thottle = about 10 or 12 rounds a second,.... but at that rate, its all smiles, and no one is counting pellets!

 
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