FX Hybrid slugs quality

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

It's an amazing thing when the best shooting projectile is by far the most affordable.

HP slugs and HP II 30gr.

$11 and $14 a tin. . Or(HPii) 22 or 28(HP per 240.
Zan is 22 for 200.

HP2 28gr shot like absolute ass in this same gun.
HP' HP2 and Zan's. Definitely gotta clean the barrel to tonight.

 

[Xcaliber]

That's awesome, will have to keep those information handy if i decided to swap the .22 to .25 in the future.


The 218 Griffin LDC got delivered today, he ran out of poly balls and will get more in a week or two, i won't receive the 217 until he could make more. Haven't shoot them yet but they look awesome, super clean. Out of curiosity i went to count the 17gr 218, he didn't mention it but there's actually 220rd in the tin instead of 200, happy to find the 20rd extra. Didn't count the other two tins so i'm pretty sure they'll be 200rd(or a few more) in them. I put some Ballistol on paper towel and roll them, just to get a very light coat on the slugs to prevent oxidation, should also help lubing the breech o'ring and barrel whenever i use them. If these shoot as good as the Hybrid then they'll be my go to moving forward, much prefer these lighter weight slugs to minimize pass thru.

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

That's awesome, will have to keep those information handy if i decided to swap the .22 to .25 in the future.


The 218 Griffin LDC got delivered today, he ran out of poly balls and will get more in a week or two, i won't receive the 217 until he could make more. Haven't shoot them yet but they look awesome, super clean. Out of curiosity i went to count the 17gr 218, he didn't mention it but there's actually 220rd in the tin instead of 200, happy to find the 20rd extra. Didn't count the other two tins so i'm pretty sure they'll be 200rd(or a few more) in them. I put some Ballistol on paper towel and roll them, just to get a very light coat on the slugs to prevent oxidation, should also help lubing the breech o'ring and barrel whenever i use them. If these shoot as good as the Hybrid then they'll be my go to moving forward, much prefer these lighter weight slugs to minimize pass thru.

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Yeah. I only bothered with the 17gr because I'm shooting a notos and theyre not going over 800 at the moment. I do have an FX barrel on my notos and I have a superior liner in it. I suspect you'll find the same thing I do.. 218s will single hole groups

As for my FX dreamtac I just got my .25 ldcs last week. They grouped as poorly as the hybrids. Although the LDC ARE longer than the 34grs of all others. I suspect it can tighten up by going up to 145or 150 bar at the higher end of appropriate "sweet spot" preload and medium to low PW. Short dwell high pressure.

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

That's awesome, will have to keep those information handy if i decided to swap the .22 to .25 in the future.


The 218 Griffin LDC got delivered today, he ran out of poly balls and will get more in a week or two, i won't receive the 217 until he could make more. Haven't shoot them yet but they look awesome, super clean. Out of curiosity i went to count the 17gr 218, he didn't mention it but there's actually 220rd in the tin instead of 200, happy to find the 20rd extra. Didn't count the other two tins so i'm pretty sure they'll be 200rd(or a few more) in them. I put some Ballistol on paper towel and roll them, just to get a very light coat on the slugs to prevent oxidation, should also help lubing the breech o'ring and barrel whenever i use them. If these shoot as good as the Hybrid then they'll be my go to moving forward, much prefer these lighter weight slugs to minimize pass thru.

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I assume you were asking about slug liner to help figure whether or not it's worth forking another 110 to the addiction.?

Yes. I'm kinda pissed I didn't earlier. Pellets are great. They're accurate, they do the job
It's just the ballistic advantage of slugs is too great to sacrifice. You know that you're gonna be putting damn near pellet pointblank energy on target at 100 yards with slugs.


My main dtac tune in 25 was 25.4s at 46fpe... By 35y it's at 35fpe..
With my current 30gr slug settings have 35 fpe out to 127y. Cant ignore that.

Let's also not pretend that firecracker "THWAACK" from HP slugs downrange isn't ultra satisfying

 

[Xcaliber]

Yeah. I only bothered with the 17gr because I'm shooting a notos and theyre not going over 800 at the moment. I do have an FX barrel on my notos and I have a superior liner in it. I suspect you'll find the same thing I do.. 218s will single hole groups

As for my FX dreamtac I just got my .25 ldcs last week. They grouped as poorly as the hybrids. Although the LDC ARE longer than the 34grs of all others. I suspect it can tighten up by going up to 145or 150 bar at the higher end of appropriate "sweet spot" preload and medium to low PW. Short dwell high pressure.

wow, so the 218 is a bit better than 217 from your notos with the superior liner? happy to hear. lol

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

wow, so the 218 is a bit better than 217 from your notos with the superior liner? happy to hear. lol

Fist sized groups at 35 vs one hole.

 

[Xcaliber]

I assume you were asking about slug liner to help figure whether or not it's worth forking another 110 to the addiction.?

Yes. I'm kinda pissed I didn't earlier. Pellets are great. They're accurate, they do the job
It's just the ballistic advantage of slugs is too great to sacrifice. You know that you're gonna be putting damn near pellet pointblank energy on target at 100 yards with slugs.


My main dtac tune in 25 was 25.4s at 46fpe... By 35y it's at 35fpe..
With my current 30gr slug settings have 35 fpe out to 127y. Cant ignore that.

Yes lol just isn't sure if there's any advantages to be had with the 1:16 slug liner when i use mostly light weight slugs, below 25gr.

 

[Xcaliber]

Fist sized groups at 35 vs one hole.

Man, maybe i should hit him up and tell him to send more 218 when he got more poly balls, and just skip the 217 entirely. That's a significant difference.

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

Man, maybe i should hit him up and tell him to send more 218 when he got more poly balls, and just skip the 217 entirely. That's a significant difference.

Get your butt out there tomorrow and shoot a few. Clean the barrel spotless, shoot 4 or 5 into the dirt. Then get going.

Edit: that's with a 380mm superior liner at 800fps.

You can go from. Sub 12 to 80 fpe, you can tailor your dwell and airflow in so many ways compared to a notos. Pressure or really crap hammer spring. I had to port to 4.7~mm, 2400psi out the reg, and add weight to the hammer to get 25fpe off. I suspect .218 will outperform .217 from the rip, but fx, especially the impact can make adjustment that simple guns cant and make things that didn't originally work, functionable

 

[Xcaliber]

Get your butt out there tomorrow and shoot a few. Clean the barrel spotless, shoot 4 or 5 into the dirt. Then get going.

Edit: that's with a 380mm superior liner at 800fps.

You can go from. Sub 12 to 80 fpe, you can tailor your dwell and airflow in so many ways compared to a notos. Pressure or really crap hammer spring. I had to port to 4.7~mm, 2400psi out the reg, and add weight to the hammer to get 25fpe off. I suspect .218 will outperform .217 from the rip, but fx, especially the impact can make adjustment that simple guns cant and make things that didn't originally work, functionable

The Impact M4 tunability really has spoiled me rotten, love it! so easy to tune and adjust power level to suit different projectile type and weight. I'm having a hard time deciding on the next toy gun, something like the Vulcan 3, Uragan 2 and other guns that need to take a bunch of stuff apart just to adjust the reg pressure and hammer ain't gonna cut it.

The stock tune of the Notos is perfect for when i want to keep noise down in early morning and late afternoon, 18~20fpe is plenty at the range I'm shooting at, and to keep projectiles lodged inside the pests. With the M4 slinging slugs at 40~50fpe, the projectile impact noise is quite loud on head shot, can often hear a loud skull cracking noise echoing through the backyard.

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

The Impact M4 tunability really has spoiled me rotten, love it! so easy tune and adjust power level to suit different projectile type and weight. I'm having a hard time deciding on the next toy gun, something like the Vulcan 3, Uragan 2 and other guns that need to take a bunch of stuff apart just to adjust the reg pressure and hammer ain't gonna cut it.

The stock tune of the Notos is perfect for when i want to keep noise down in early morning and late afternoon, 18~20fpe is plenty at the range I'm shooting at, and to keep projectiles lodged inside the pests. With the M4 slinging slugs at 40~50fpe, the projectile impact noise is quite loud on head shot, can often hear a loud skull cracking noise echoing through the backyard.

I think the notos is too loud. My crown mk2 has my "backyard tune". The umarex is just too damn mechanically loud, and despite the moderator still has more back than my +2x more powerful FXs. Don't get me wrong I love my notos.

My crown is set and has never been retuned after the initial honeymoon period of seeing what she can do.... 785fps w/18.1s 25fpe. Absolutely nothing but a little click and a faint "Sploot". If I slap on the 700 it's like an automatic+95fps.but, I never do.

I love the "puff... WAPAHHH!" of 50-60fpe on target.

I'm at an impasse too. I'm pretty sure I'm getting the Taipan II tac 700LR, or 700 bottle, because I KNOW it's coming 915/920 with 34gr out of the box shooting pea sized groups at 50. And I know I won't/can't tune it as easily so the "FX Itch". Won't happen. But, for some reason my brains telling me "you already know the FX system, get the wildcat mk3Bt, 84fpe in .22. Do it YOU LIKE THE KNOBS AND SCREWS".

The Taipan with a bottle, 128cc power plenum, tuned for 65fpe out of the box, no tinkering required is now 1200 flat.. I would save so 300bucks off the rip . But I can't decide. Plus I already have a hunter revere in my cart checking out tomorrow. But hell, at least it ain't heroin?

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

Oh yeah. These were fatal projectiles I've recovered. 25 and some NSA 17.5 22s. You've seen what the LDC .22s do.

 

[Xcaliber]

I think the notos is too loud. My crown mk2 has my "backyard tune". The umarex is just too damn mechanically loud, and despite the moderator still has more back than my +2x more powerful FXs. Don't get me wrong I love my notos.

My crown is set and has never been retuned after the initial honeymoon period of seeing what she can do.... 785fps w/18.1s 25fpe. Absolutely nothing but a little click and a faint "Sploot". If I slap on the 700 it's like an automatic+95fps.but, I never do.

I love the "puff... WAPAHHH!" of 50-60fpe on target.

I'm at an impasse too. I'm pretty sure I'm getting the Taipan II tac 700LR, or 700 bottle, because I KNOW it's coming 915/920 with 34gr out of the box shooting pea sized groups at 50. And I know I won't/can't tune it as easily so the "FX Itch". Won't happen. But, for some reason my brains telling me "you already know the FX system, get the wildcat mk3Bt, 84fpe in .22. Do it YOU LIKE THE KNOBS AND SCREWS".

The Taipan with a bottle, 128cc power plenum, tuned for 65fpe out of the box, no tinkering required is now 1200 flat.. I would save so 300bucks off the rip . But I can't decide. Plus I already have a hunter revere in my cart checking out tomorrow. But hell, at least it ain't heroin?

I looked at all the contenders and revisiting those that I wrote off previously, Taipan Vet 2, BRK Ghost, RTI P3/Mora, Epic Two, Leishy 2, Fenix, Skout Epoch, Huben K1, Panthera, Crown, and few others, they just have way too many shortcomings that I can't overlook or compromised, especially not at the price they are selling for.

Huben K1 at least would provide a completely new experience in semi-auto, the rest.....just meh, and like you said, i often end up going back to look at the Wildcat Compact BT again, it would feel like home as far as tuning goes, and easy enough to work on and repair/maintain like the M4. The only thing that held me back is having the hammer action further back close to my ear, just not sure how loud it's going to be, the Impact has the action further away above trigger so the ping noise isn't bothersome at all, but surely going to be louder with Wildcat/Maverick since I'll be going for .25 or .30 as my next one.

 

[Xcaliber]

Oh yeah. These were fatal projectiles I've recovered. 25 and some NSA 17.5 22s. You've seen what the LDC .22s do.View attachment 508510View attachment 508511

Thanks for those pictures, and wow....the NSA 17gr didn't expand, the hollow point section just got pushed inward a little, what velocity were they on?doesn't look better than JSB 18gr.

Have you try any wadcutter on pesting? i heard they are like flying frying pan and smacking those pests pretty darn good. lol

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

Thanks for those pictures, and wow....the NSA 17gr didn't expand, the hollow point section just got pushed inward a little, what velocity were they on?doesn't look better than JSB 18gr.

The nsa 17.5s don't expand at all. The cavity ever so slightly stretches and the body slightly warps. Those were at 790. But the kills were a squirrel and a rabbit at my wood line feeder at the edge of the grass on my backyard so only 18y. The Hn slug was the headshot Sunday night, the zan last week same 35-37y as the hn. Only 30fps slower. 870 vs 900 both 30gr.. the zan lead free was over 1000fps it's only 22gr. Hit a Canadian goose in the head, skipped off the grass and hit a silt fence, stuck in the silt.
The Griffin Hollows were 2 squirrels and a rabbit at 880fps didn't range them as they were at my usual permission, they were between me and a tree I ranged at 58y. I estimated and nailed them. Not hard considering 25-46 is .5moa difference.

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

Have you try any wadcutter on pesting? i heard they are like flying frying pan and smacking those pests pretty darn good. lol

No. I use the LDCs now. Before slugs for a while I was using jsb 15.89s, Hades, jts 16.08s. And then AEA 16s. They're fantastic. Same with LDC. If I'm shooting somewhere slugs pose a risk I use AEA pellets only.


AEA pellets in .25 are fantastic as well, they're my projectile of choice with pellet liner.only FX 25.4s came close to AEA. AEA just barely out performed the FX pellets BARELY. but enough to matter.

 

[Xcaliber]

No. I use the LDCs now. Before slugs for a while I was using jsb 15.89s, Hades, jts 16.08s. And then AEA 16s. They're fantastic. Same with LDC. If I'm shooting somewhere slugs pose a risk I use AEA pellets only.


AEA pellets in .25 are fantastic as well, they're my projectile of choice with pellet liner.only FX 25.4s came close to AEA. AEA just barely out performed the FX pellets BARELY. but enough to matter.

Interesting. I have 4 tins of 25.3gr AEA .22, haven't use them for pesting yet, they are accurate and fly great in low 900s though.

 

[RabbitofCaerbannog]

Interesting. I have 4 tins of 25.3gr AEA .22, haven't use them for pesting yet, they are accurate and fly great in low 900s though.

You got 46-48fpe.. you hit a squirrel or bird theyz gone die.

 

[Xcaliber]

You got 46-48fpe.. you hit a squirrel or bird theyz gone die.

For sure, i don't use domed pellet or heavier slugs or at full power in M4 just so I don't get over penetration (pass through) in the backyard, gotta keep that stuff under control.

 

[Xcaliber]

The Griffin 17gr LDC didn't disappoint, 1 shot 1 kill, he was about 20 yard away with his back facing toward me in 45 degree angle, aimed behind his right ear, the slug blew out above his left eye, his skull feels fragmented and shattered, almost mushy....the LDC is devastating like the Hybrids. I dialed in the M4 to sling this one at 980fps so there's about 36fpe through the skull, a loud pop upon impact. A head shot at this power level even with 15.9gr Hades/Atomic will be instant light out. I'm happy with the Griffin accuracy, can probably get away shooting these 17gr LDC with the stock Notos, definitely brutal and effective from M4.