Tuning FX Impact M3 35 cal power destiny

Yeah, the .357 93 Grain NSA's definately have a different tone to them when they are launched. I wonder if the build up in pressure holds the valve open longer, creating some back pressure, as it is trying to force the round down the barrel with all the resistance?

This might also explain the accuracy issues some have.

I'm going to order some in the .356 size and get some 79 grainers to try out. Wasn't the older Mk2 barrel a smooth twist barrel. Smooth initially, until later in the barrel when the rifling starts?

If so, that may be why they shot good in Mk2's. They would have moment when they engaged the lands.
 
Yeah, the .357 93 Grain NSA's definately have a different tone to them when they are launched. I wonder if the build up in pressure holds the valve open longer, creating some back pressure, as it is trying to force the round down the barrel with all the resistance?

This might also explain the accuracy issues some have.

I'm going to order some in the .356 size and get some 79 grainers to try out. Wasn't the older Mk2 barrel a smooth twist barrel. Smooth initially, until later in the barrel when the rifling starts?

If so, that may be why they shot good in Mk2's. They would have moment when they engaged the lands.

The very first impact X might have had those liners but not mk2.
 
I received a new M3 357 several weeks ago that was under powered as well. From the vendor, the front reg was at 150, second at 135, Micro 4.5 Macro 16. JSBs were going 825-830 Nielson 93s 750ish.

I walked the gun up to 175 front reg and 165 rear reg and couldn't get above 860s with the JSBs and 800 with the Nielsen 93s. I then went down to 120 front and 100 rear, walked it up to the same 175/165 split and ended up with the same speeds. I stopped and called FX and explained the situation. They offered to walk me through some steps to see what was going on, and I said no thanks, I would like to send the gun to you so that it can be made right on your time, not mine. I was informed this would take several weeks, and I agreed.

I spoke with the tech a few days ago, and he explained it was missing some parts necessary for the .357 power. He stated that the gun is now sending JSBs at 925 and Nielsen 93s at 865-870. This is occurring with the front reg at 180 and second reg at 170. 4.5 Micro, 16 Macro and valve at 13.5mm. Additionally, he stated that the gun is basically running at max and I am not going to get any more out of it as is-stock. It is suppose to arrive back to me at the end of the upcoming week, and I will verify, but I was told the gun is shooting very well and consistent. If so, I will be very pleased.

He stated that the gun will be happiest with the regs within 10-25 bar of each other, and 1/4 turn on the front reg would match well with 1/8 turn on the second reg. I also asked quite a few questions about stepping down the gun to .30, .25, and .22, as I intend to do so. Basically, he said at .30 it will run hot, but very well. Same with .25, although it's gonna favor the heavy stuff in both of those calibers. He went on to share that he wasn't aware of many step downs with the M3 .357 to .22 because the gun is new and caliber kits are hard to come by. He said it may be possible, but it would most likely require heavy for caliber ammo and there would only be so far it could be turned down without removing the .357 specific parts in .22, which sounds ideal. My intent with this gun is to have it be a multi caliber slug gun throwing fast and heavy.

If your gun is under performing, I recommend making sure the hammer, springs, and spacers that are unique to the .357 are in place. I am glad I just sent the gun to service and waited, as I would have wasted time and pellets/slugs chasing this situation and these are all precious commodities. For the kind of money this gun costs, it should work as advertised out of the box.

FX service has been very easy to deal with, communicative, and timely with their repair and warranty. I wasn't happy boxing up and sending off the gun after only having it a few hours, but I am happy with the resolution and my decision to let them make it right. It sounds as though they have, the problem was parts related, and no amount of tuning would have corrected the missing part problem. 

Hopefully this gives you another data point, as I certainly spent some time sifting through the limited information available regarding tunes, performance, and possible problems relating to performance issues on the .357 on this forum.
 
I received a new M3 357 several weeks ago that was under powered as well. From the vendor, the front reg was at 150, second at 135, Micro 4.5 Macro 16. JSBs were going 825-830 Nielson 93s 750ish.

I walked the gun up to 175 front reg and 165 rear reg and couldn't get above 860s with the JSBs and 800 with the Nielsen 93s. I then went down to 120 front and 100 rear, walked it up to the same 175/165 split and ended up with the same speeds. I stopped and called FX and explained the situation. They offered to walk me through some steps to see what was going on, and I said no thanks, I would like to send the gun to you so that it can be made right on your time, not mine. I was informed this would take several weeks, and I agreed.

I spoke with the tech a few days ago, and he explained it was missing some parts necessary for the .357 power. He stated that the gun is now sending JSBs at 925 and Nielsen 93s at 865-870. This is occurring with the front reg at 180 and second reg at 170. 4.5 Micro, 16 Macro and valve at 13.5mm. Additionally, he stated that the gun is basically running at max and I am not going to get any more out of it as is-stock. It is suppose to arrive back to me at the end of the upcoming week, and I will verify, but I was told the gun is shooting very well and consistent. If so, I will be very pleased.

He stated that the gun will be happiest with the regs within 10-25 bar of each other, and 1/4 turn on the front reg would match well with 1/8 turn on the second reg. I also asked quite a few questions about stepping down the gun to .30, .25, and .22, as I intend to do so. Basically, he said at .30 it will run hot, but very well. Same with .25, although it's gonna favor the heavy stuff in both of those calibers. He went on to share that he wasn't aware of many step downs with the M3 .357 to .22 because the gun is new and caliber kits are hard to come by. He said it may be possible, but it would most likely require heavy for caliber ammo and there would only be so far it could be turned down without removing the .357 specific parts in .22, which sounds ideal. My intent with this gun is to have it be a multi caliber slug gun throwing fast and heavy.

If your gun is under performing, I recommend making sure the hammer, springs, and spacers that are unique to the .357 are in place. I am glad I just sent the gun to service and waited, as I would have wasted time and pellets/slugs chasing this situation and these are all precious commodities. For the kind of money this gun costs, it should work as advertised out of the box.

FX service has been very easy to deal with, communicative, and timely with their repair and warranty. I wasn't happy boxing up and sending off the gun after only having it a few hours, but I am happy with the resolution and my decision to let them make it right. It sounds as though they have, the problem was parts related, and no amount of tuning would have corrected the missing part problem. 

Hopefully this gives you another data point, as I certainly spent some time sifting through the limited information available regarding tunes, performance, and possible problems relating to performance issues on the .357 on this forum.

Exactly why I am just sending it back to FX instead of trying to figure out the leak. I don't mind the wait as long as they can fix my rifle the right way. Will be calling first thing today once they open. 
 
That is very interesting. I wonder what parts were installed and missing as I have tried about every combination I can think of with reg pressures, hammer pressures and the valve adjuster. 

You are correct that FX has been great to deal with on the issue. I was hoping I could figure it out with out having to ship it back, but I may have to. 

When you get yours back; can you report back on the results you get?
 
Well I got the RMA bright and early at 8:30am and had the .35 to FedEx by 10:15am. Was extremely happy that the response was so quick. Now it's all about being patient and understanding: awesome response time though!



Great news! This has been my experience as well.

I am curious to hear more about your experience with the .22 conversion in your .357. I have read some of your other posts and it sounds like you've had success running .22 in your gun prior to the reg issues. I don't want to derail this thread, but I would like to know more about .22 projectiles, tuning, and your overall thoughts on stepping the .357 M3 down to .22.
 
Can anyone who owns the FX M3 in a 35 cal let me know if they have a spacer where my tool is pointing at the 2 delrin spacers. 

The spacers did not come with my gun and I am wondering if the additional preload has anything to do with the velocities.

For those new to viewing this thread, I placed those spacers there to show an idea I have. 

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So I called and spoke with FX, specifically Melissa and one of their techs, Scott. Both were awesome to work with.

With that mentioned, Scott and I discovered my gun was built with the wrong parts on the valve assembly. Specifically involving the C1 (#C52) and the hammer (#C53). 

On the .357, the delrin spacer (#C53) is supposed to be attach to the C1 and not the hammer. By doing this, the hammer doesn't have the delrin insert, so it weighs more. The cavity/void the insert is pressed inside of on the hammer, is instead solid piece of metal because that void doesn't have the material removed. 

We also spoke about the valve rod the C1 screws and attaches to. If you recall, I could only get 6.13 mm off of the block. He suggested I slowly file it down until the C1 can bottom out at the 5.5 mm measurement. 

Looking closely at the rod tip, you can see it was manufactured a little long. I didn't notice this before because I didn't look that close.

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FX will be shipping me the correct parts shortly. Hopefully when they arrive, the issue will be resolved. If not, I will ship it back to FX per Scotts recommendation. 

Anyhow, kudos to FX for great customer service. 
 
Glad they are sending you the correct parts but wow. So who is putting these together? I love that FX is stepping up to the plate and taking care of us but these are being built overseas amd then shipped here, correct? Please let me know if I am wrong on this. 

I'm just glad that FX-USA is taking care of us when these issues arise. 7green you went above and beyond but that's why i just sent it back to get looked at and fixed by the FX team versus going back and forth and they can tell right off the bat and then fix it the right way...
 
I agree that FX USA has been amazing with their support and willingness to make the situation right. It is also important to note that we've got three .35 cal M3's, all missing parts or not assembled correctly. This is the most expensive retail M3 available and there's zero quality control on these builds.

Again, I can't emphasize enough my satisfaction with FX USA. I am also kinda shocked that there are so many of the .35s being built that are not checked at all at the factory for proper assembly and power. I strongly suspected within moments of shooting my rifle that there was a defect, and I am certainly no FX tech nor expert end user. Five minutes at the factory would have saved a month of not having a rifle and a whole bunch of money on shipping and labor by FX USA.
 
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Although I have shot a lot of rounds now, I do know the guns internals pretty well. In fact, I know it so well that I need to get a 2.5mm x 25mm nbr 70 o-ring because I nicked the one on the power plenum when screwing it back together...lmao, doh!

My o-ring kit I ordered isn't here yet, so I will be calling FX back lol.

This evening I was able to file the valve rod tip down to where the C1 measured right at 5.5mm. Ironically, I had to file to that distorted spot in the photo I posted previously. 

Now I sit and wait....


 
@mtndragon I totally agree about what's happening to our M3's in .35. Didn't think about how the 3 of us have had issues but again I say FX-USA has been extremely supportive in getting our issues resolved.

If we didn't have AGN to discuss this we would never know of these issues. I have sent emails to FX and Ernest Rowe directly in reference to the heavy liner and the response is they are trying to perfect it and I am just willing to wait, at this point, so they can get it right. Was also told the hybrids should be out in the next month or so but hoping because they are lighter the hybrids should be fine in the superior liner. Would still like to see a carbon fiber sleeve for it as well. Was also told they are working on a big bore version of the harmonic tuner so hopefully all these items will be out in the next few months.

I went ahead and got a .30 caliber change kit and some .30 FX pellets for my Maverick/ MK2 to get some larger game if the opportunity arises. Grabbed the slug probe from Huma-Air and other items from Utah and PalmBeach. I saw another member took down a nice size hog with the dirty .30 Maverick!!! 😂

I still love my FX family even if some of the children act up every once in a while. Just like being a parent but to my rifles. Hell, they cost like their all going to college...