FX Fx impact m4, why did they got rid of 1st reg?

[Xcaliber]

if the Impact was so inaccurate and unreliable, with so many flaws as some folks made it out to be, people wouldn't have use it in any competitions or for hunting purposes, since consistency and accuracy are the utmost top priority AND requirement in both competition arena and for hunting, their trophies and kill shots are depending on it.

Like any other manufactured products, be it cars or electronics or computers, some random defects bound to occur, not that i doubt some people had problem with theirs, but those seems to be the smaller percentage in general, they are the exceptions and not the rules. But some folks here seems to enjoy painting a completely different picture. I smelled BS and fake news from miles away, ain't buying it, since i didn't base my experience from hearsay, i get to play with one and actually own it, I can form my own conclusion, y'all can hate it all you want...don't really care, I didn't buy it based on other opinions (actually i went against other's suggestions and opinions, eliminated a long list of other PCP beloved by many in similar price range, and bought the M4 when i created a thread to ask about it), i bought the M4 based on my own criteria and checklist.

So you had a bunch of issues with yours, lucked out on the lottery and hate your Impact with a passion? sucks to be you. My M4 met and exceeded my expectations, it is a GREAT gun for ME. I love mine and that's the one and only thing that matters to me, everything else is completely irrelevant.

 

[adzmullen]

The latest manual did stated that, which makes it even more confusing, we have all the reputable retailers telling us the M4 with 1 reg will run 300 bar just fine, I guess FX really need to clarify and clear things up once and for all, if the manual was a misprint, or are we being given the wrong information.

In this day and age it's hard to imagine a $2K PCP gun with solid brass regulator can't handle 300 bar while there are MANY others have been running it just fine, even the $499 Avenge X is rated at 300 bar with no problem. 50 bar may not sound like much, but a 480/580cc bottle that could mean a few magazines worth of extra shots for .22

With that said, for those who love having 2 regs, how difficult is it to add the 1st reg back into the empty slot? just need to get a Huma reg along with a gauge and they should fit back in without much effort?

I contacted FX directly to clear this issue up, several retailers appear to be providing poor information:

My question to FX:
Message: Hi, I'm not sure where to direct my inquiry. I just want to know if I can install a 300Bar bottle on an FX Impact M4 & fill it to 300bar without any additional changes required? Or is there additional work required such as an additional regulator needed or not etc. If you could let me know it would be much appreciated. Thank you

FX's reply:
Hi,
To mount a bottle with 300bar you need to install a first regulator that is mounted on the Impact M3. It has art.no 20540 Bottle connector Impact M3. Also manometer for the first regulator. You see this on the exploited view on the Impact M2 here in section D F10370-Impact-M3-230925.pdf (fxairguns.com)

Like it or not this is the advice directly from FX & not via a middleman or other 3rd party. I know people have connected 300bar bottles already to the M4 on the single reg and they report it works fine, but what we don't know is the long term affects this could have on the rifle or its components.

If people choose to not listen to the advice from FX and void thier warranty because they've connected a 300 bar bottle on a single reg that's of course thier choice, however, if their regulator or another component is ruined in the next 12 months they only have themselves to blame.

Seeing as the 1st regulator and manometer are so easy to install and relatively inexpensive, i'd just do it, I'd set the first reg to 230 - 250bar. This way you know the 300 bar pressure has been dropped down already for the 2nd reg and a pressure its been designed & rated for, plus you'll get the benefit of the extra shot count.

I hope this helps

 

[dens228]

Of the various air rifles I've owned my FX rifles were/are consistent as any other brand. I'm not a fan boy but also not a hater. There are some on here and elsewhere that fit into both categories. It's the way things are. My first Ford had a engine compartment fire while I was driving. I got the recall notice after the fire...........I'll never own another Ford, doesn't mean they suck.

With my FX rifles I don't push them at extreme pressure. I'd say I'm pretty conservative with them power wise as they have ample power at low pressure. I'm not throwing heavy slugs at 1000 fps. My M3 cruises along quite happily with 108 at the second reg. I also only fill to 250 with a 300 bar bottle. I truly believe that is one of the keys to my FX rifles being extremely consistent day to day. When I was chasing accuracy with heavy slugs I did have those problems.

I recognize the YouTube hype and understand the marketing involved in the heavy editing on display. I also recognize the emotional disdain some have for FX and take that with the same grain of salt.

Haters are always going to hate and players are always going to play.

 

[coastal drifter]

Of the various air rifles I've owned my FX rifles were/are consistent as any other brand. I'm not a fan boy but also not a hater. There are some on here and elsewhere that fit into both categories. It's the way things are. My first Ford had a engine compartment fire while I was driving. I got the recall notice after the fire...........I'll never own another Ford, doesn't mean they suck.

With my FX rifles I don't push them at extreme pressure. I'd say I'm pretty conservative with them power wise as they have ample power at low pressure. I'm not throwing heavy slugs at 1000 fps. My M3 cruises along quite happily with 108 at the second reg. I also only fill to 250 with a 300 bar bottle. I truly believe that is one of the keys to my FX rifles being extremely consistent day to day. When I was chasing accuracy with heavy slugs I did have those problems.

I recognize the YouTube hype and understand the marketing involved in the heavy editing on display. I also recognize the emotional disdain some have for FX and take that with the same grain of salt.

Haters are always going to hate and players are always going to play.

well put

 

[coastal drifter]

I contacted FX directly to clear this issue up, several retailers appear to be providing poor information:

My question to FX:
Message: Hi, I'm not sure where to direct my inquiry. I just want to know if I can install a 300Bar bottle on an FX Impact M4 & fill it to 300bar without any additional changes required? Or is there additional work required such as an additional regulator needed or not etc. If you could let me know it would be much appreciated. Thank you

FX's reply:
Hi,
To mount a bottle with 300bar you need to install a first regulator that is mounted on the Impact M3. It has art.no 20540 Bottle connector Impact M3. Also manometer for the first regulator. You see this on the exploited view on the Impact M2 here in section D F10370-Impact-M3-230925.pdf (fxairguns.com)

Like it or not this is the advice directly from FX & not via a middleman or other 3rd party. I know people have connected 300bar bottles already to the M4 on the single reg and they report it works fine, but what we don't know is the long term affects this could have on the rifle or its components.

If people choose to not listen to the advice from FX and void thier warranty because they've connected a 300 bar bottle on a single reg that's of course thier choice, however, if their regulator or another component is ruined in the next 12 months they only have themselves to blame.

Seeing as the 1st regulator and manometer are so easy to install and relatively inexpensive, i'd just do it, I'd set the first reg to 230 - 250bar. This way you know the 300 bar pressure has been dropped down already for the 2nd reg and a pressure its been designed & rated for, plus you'll get the benefit of the extra shot count.

I hope this helps

good idea

 

[coastal drifter]

When you push them hard enough and put them into some of the top shooters hands nothing amazing about it. FX isn't dumb they know how to market a gun.

But what speaks louder to me is a did a thread about your most consistently accurate airguns and with tons of people commenting not a single Impact. That speaks more to me than which gun wins competitions.

N/A - Whats your most consistently accurate airgun?

Whats that one airgun you have that's got that unicorn barrel that just amazes you everytime you shoot it? I've owned many airguns and I can't say I've had one like this before just crazy accurate. My Taipan Vet Long .22 shooting JTS 18gr at 920fps. 50yds 4 5 shot groups. Avg of .284". I think...

www.airgunnation.com

I would counter that with the top shooters like to shoot the best. Even the (sportsman class) non-pro always places high on the leader board.

 

[Xcaliber]

I recognize the YouTube hype and understand the marketing involved in the heavy editing on display. I also recognize the emotional disdain some have for FX and take that with the same grain of salt.

Haters are always going to hate and players are always going to play.

No denying there's a lot of hypes and marketing went into promoting their flagship, but you could only pawn off a POS Geo Metro as a Formula1 race car for so long, before more and more people put it to the test and run it at the track to debunk the hypes.

IF the impact couldn't live up to the hypes, it would have crumbled down like a sack of potatoes in a hurry, missing shots left and right in competitions, or simply disqualified altogether due to the gun falling apart in the field. But somehow, all the winners were bringing home the trophies and prizes won with the Impact, all that being accomplished with "a broken, unreliable, and inaccurate gun", that's quite impressive I'd say.


As you said, haters gonna hate, there are a lot of hot air and fake news being spread around in different forums.

I would counter that with the top shooters like to shoot the best. Even the (sportsman class) non-pro always places high on the leader board.

Exactly. I heard the arguement about how when the competitors are only shooting FX, then obviously only FX won by a large margin lol but that sort of excuses simply doesn't hold water, as if any top shooters would want to bring their second best or a lesser gun to compete with other top shot who came from all over the world, what a load of baloney.

Maybe all those competitions were rigged, akin to WWE wrestling, maybe those winners were all paid actors, yea....that must be it! lol

 

[Dairyboy]

I would counter that with the top shooters like to shoot the best. Even the (sportsman class) non-pro always places high on the leader board.

Never said they weren't good. But based on competition the FX Impact doesn't dominate like it used to. Lots of others are winning and climbing ranks up there. Been awhile since the Impact won a 100yd benchrest if I'm not mistaken. Panthera has. RP has been winning alot. Again not necessarily the guns but the shooters themselves make the biggest difference and how they are performing that day. The guns are important but for the most part the top guns are all pretty well equal and all comes down to the shooter. Yes some might prefer the Impact, others Panthera, others a Ghost, RAW, Epoch or Red Panda. I like seeing all the options nowadays. Pretty lame when the Impact came out and that's all it was on the firing lines. There's good variety now.

Since the Impact isn't winning many competitions BR competitions anymore is it no longer good? No. Again don't base how good guns are simply based on competitions. Competition isn't real world in what 99% of us deal in on the daily.

 

[coastal drifter]

Never said they weren't good. But based on competition the FX Impact doesn't dominate like it used to. Lots of others are winning and climbing ranks up there. Been awhile since the Impact won a 100yd benchrest if I'm not mistaken. Panthera has. RP has been winning alot. Again not necessarily the guns but the shooters themselves make the biggest difference and how they are performing that day. The guns are important but for the most part the top guns are all pretty well equal and all comes down to the shooter. Yes some might prefer the Impact, others Panthera, others a Ghost, RAW, Epoch or Red Panda. I like seeing all the options nowadays. Pretty lame when the Impact came out and that's all it was on the firing lines. There's good variety now.

Since the Impact isn't winning many competitions BR competitions anymore is it no longer good? No. Again don't base how good guns are simply based on competitions. Competition isn't real world in what 99% of us deal in on the dai

 

[coastal drifter]

Well They remain one of the top competitors in competent hands. Proof is in the pudding.

 

[Xcaliber]

Never said they weren't good. But based on competition the FX Impact doesn't dominate like it used to. Lots of others are winning and climbing ranks up there. Been awhile since the Impact won a 100yd benchrest if I'm not mistaken. Panthera has. RP has been winning alot. Again not necessarily the guns but the shooters themselves make the biggest difference and how they are performing that day. The guns are important but for the most part the top guns are all pretty well equal and all comes down to the shooter. Yes some might prefer the Impact, others Panthera, others a Ghost, RAW, Epoch or Red Panda. I like seeing all the options nowadays. Pretty lame when the Impact came out and that's all it was on the firing lines. There's good variety now.

Since the Impact isn't winning many competitions BR competitions anymore is it no longer good? No. Again don't base how good guns are simply based on competitions. Competition isn't real world in what 99% of us deal in on the daily.

That's certainly good news having more competition other than FX on the table, it would benefit the consumers at the end. Few months ago an Avenge-X .25 won the 100 yard benchrest match shot by Ana Rose Spanagel, FX isn't the only game in town. Checks and balances is a very good thing, always love to see the 'underdog' wipe the floor with something cost 1/4 of the FX.

 

[coastal drifter]

That's certainly good news having more competition other than FX on the table, it would benefit the consumers at the end. Few months ago an Avenge-X .25 won the 100 yard benchrest match shot by Ana Rose Spanagel, FX isn't the only game in town. Checks and balances is a very good thing, always love to see the 'underdog' wipe the floor with something cost 1/4 of the FX.

Mike Tyson was beat by Buster Douglas but how many fights did he win. Its the long list of wins not just one or two. I wouldn't say competition isn't real world I would say it's the top tier, best of the best. Yes, there are other great guns with problems too, but few have won as many competitions as FX in multiple disciplines.

 

[Xcaliber]

Mike Tyson was beat by Buster Douglas but how many fights did he win. Its the long list of wins not just one or two. I wouldn't say competition isn't real world I would say it's the top tier, best of the best. Yes, there are other great guns with problems too, but few have won as many competitions as FX in multiple disciplines.

That's true, maybe in due time other competitors would catch up to FX's winning streak.

 

[athlon_oved]

Thank goodness, despite all this bean counting, and cost cutting, FX still laser etch's fine details right on the side of the rifle!

You know,...very important things like " MAXIMUM PRESSURE 250 BAR" , right there in BOLD, right next to the gauge!

Otherwise, a uneducated, over zealous user, might attempt to fill to 260, 270, 285, or even something wild like say 300 bar, then latter complain that FX's are junk, and that the quality of FX's regulator and valve assemblies, have gone down hill, and are not working properly!


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Lolz

 

[Vetmx]

I’ve said it ten times and I will say it again. A winning gun at a competition only has to be good for a day. After some fiddling, most Impacts can be great for a day. If you think those guys just pull them out and start shooting cards, you need to back off on the koolaid. The lower pressure approach that @dens228 mentioned is how I set up my pellet only Impact for almost a year. Rock solid airgun. No screwing around with it after initial blueprint and tune. When you start pushing slugs and have powder burner standards, that’s when they have trouble shining on a daily, weekly or monthly basis. It can be done, but most get frustrated.

 

[coastal drifter]

I’ve said it ten times and I will say it again. A winning gun at a competition only has to be good for a day. After some fiddling, most Impacts can be great for a day. If you think those guys just pull them out and start shooting cards, you need to back off on the koolaid. The lower pressure approach that @dens228 mentioned is how I set up my pellet only Impact for almost a year. Rock solid airgun. No screwing around with it after initial blueprint and tune. When you start pushing slugs and have powder burner standards, that’s when they have trouble shining on a daily, weekly or monthly basis. It can be done, but most get frustrated.

that is true of all guns no? or what guns shoot slugs better out of the box consistently, inquiring minds what to know.

 

[Vetmx]

These FX Impacts should be priced in the $1K range, half of the cost probably went into marketing.

But I'm still glad i bought the M4 though, it's just so much more enjoyable to play with and buttery smooth to shoot, super easy to tune, responsive, accurate, versatile, agile, compact, absolutely love the way it look and feel, it's a fun little gun. No leak, no POI shift, no reg creep or anything....it just work right out of the box. At least nothing break yet, and i intend to keep it that way.

I’m guessing you’re shooting pellets on your honeymoon. As long as you do and don’t succumb to tall tales from slug land, I’m almost positive you will enjoy the hell out of your gun until something fails. And as long as you’re not a tweakaholic, you might go a year or years. Enjoy.

 

[Vetmx]

that is true of all guns no?

No. I have several guns that are always spot on all the time. Even with slugs. Even when I travel from 2,250ft where I live to my hunting camp at like 600ft. Solid barrel tank guns. Not comprised of too many parts and as easily influenced by temperature swings.

 

[coastal drifter]

No. I have several guns that are always spot on all the time. Even with slugs. Even when I travel from 2,250ft where I live to my hunting camp at like 600ft. Solid barrel tank guns. Not comprised of too many parts and as easily influenced by temperature swings.

maybe I'd like to check them out what brand and make are those special guns? did they arrive that way or did you tune them to be like that.

 

[Vetmx]

maybe I'd like to check them out what brand and make are those special guns

If your Impact is that great, there’s no need to.