FX Impact , Panthera or jump ship and go Daystate Alpha Wolf

[Motorhead]

While New to the AG market, and sadly at introduction ONLY currently available in .30 ( Smaller calibers very soon ) the SKOUT Epoch may just be worth watching ?

I took the $3000 plunge a couple weeks ago. ( Shown with the optional 35" barrel )

 

[5StarGunsAndGear]

You might consider the new Skout Epoch in 30 cal (that's the only caliber they are shipping right now)
It's also an electronic firing system like the upper end Daystate, but the firing valve is an improvement in my opinion.

I received mine last week and it preforms very well. I love the ability to shoot the 50 gr .30 cal JSB at 950fps on a 1,350 psi reg setting.

The gun barely moves when fired, it's way easier to shoot accurately. Shot consistency is really good, the trigger is amazing, the mag is the highest quality I've seen and holds 22 - .30 cal pellets and up to 70 gr slugs.

It comes with three barrels per caliber. I got the 35" barrel kit too, (3 in that kit too, so 3- 25" and 3- 35" barrels to choose from) and switching the barrels is very easy, and you can index them with ease, and they lock into place quickly and solidly with a lever/lock

It's is a very high quality build.... and pretty well thought out as far as firing function goes.

We added weighted fore end to fit in our adjustable front rest and to fit more comfortably offhand.

It's going to give the electronic Daystate a run for the money in the speed shooting events, with it's side lever perfectly positioned above the super light electronic trigger... especially for someone like me who uses his middle finger on the trigger so my index can operate the super short and light side lever.



I've tried to compete with different 3 Impacts and I think they are too hard to tune and won't hold a tune and have way to mView attachment 344628any moving parts and Orings. I've sold them all..

And I'm not saying this just because our new little store just became a dealer, I can sell you a Daystate too, let me know if you are interested.

Wayne
AirGun Oregon

I would love to see accuracy test at 100 very interested.

 

[5StarGunsAndGear]

As a Field use rifle ... figure the Base FT version will be your starting point.
$3800.00 & No butt pad .. all said figure on a working rifle minus optics to be likely @ $4100 after shipping, taxes etc.

Looks appealing but afraid service after the sale may prove challenging. Seeing I have got zero response from email on his site. I know I can call but if your going to publish your email to ask questions you should be responsive. I don’t think that’s who I want to spend my money with.

 

[Airgunoregon]

I would love to see accuracy test at 100 very interested.

I'll be making an accuracy test video soon, but we shot it yesterday in a 5-9mph swirling wind at 100 yards with the 44.75 and 50 gr JSB. It needs the reg reduced to about 1050 or so to shoot the 44.75 gr at about 920fps. I had bumped it up to 1350 to shoot the 70gr slugs at 195 yards. I didn't have the croney with me, but the 50gr must be going close to 1,000 and I grouped a 22 shot mag in less than 2.5 inches without holding for the wind while in speed shooting mode... 22 shots in like 10 seconds..

On a good wind day I would not be surprise to see 5 shot groups of 3/4" at 100yds... and I've only tried one of the six barrels

Wayne

 

[Maineiac]

You don’t have it in your poll, but I would strongly suggest the Daystate Delta Wolf.

Why? At $2695 it’s cheaper than the Alpha Wolf, and has similar ergonomics to the Impact that you’re already considering for only a little bit more money. Plus, you get all the same electronic benefits of the Alpha but it’s been out for a couple years longer so you’ll get a more refined rifle with the bugs worked out.

 

[ccfly]

RTI Prophet 2 Compact in .30

what kind slugs she like ?
and which molds that can be find in europe

 

[GA_LeadHead]

Call me old school, but I'm still on the fence about an electric air rifle. I was in the same boat recently when purchasing a new .30 cal. I almost pulled the trigger on the new Alpha Wolf Safari, but having to worry about a battery and electric components seems like a few more things that could go wrong. I was deciding between another Impact M3, the Panthera 500mm, or go electric. I ended up with the Panthera.
As a Panthera owner, I can tell you that they are NOT for everyone. To be honest, I have a little buyers remorse. Yes, it's a great rifle. But I think I should have just gotten another M3 at this point because I'm so much more familiar with that platform. Or, the Vulcan 3 is twisting my arm as well now. The more I read about them, the more I'm considering one. They are getting incredible accuracy and power out of the V3's.

 

[rigbymauser]

I voted for Daystate primarily because I don`t tinker. Daystate in generel make a high-end product out of the box. One doesn`t buy a new Mercedes to strip it and replace components with homemade 3D stuff. One can do that with a new/old Chevy.

 

[nomojo65]

I would also vote for the EPOCH if wanting a long range gun. I’m seriously considering a .25 version when available. I just hope they give us a strong pic rail integrated with the action for a somewhat better bench rest style of shooting?

 

[K9Air]

Call me old school, but I'm still on the fence about an electric air rifle. I was in the same boat recently when purchasing a new .30 cal. I almost pulled the trigger on the new Alpha Wolf Safari, but having to worry about a battery and electric components seems like a few more things that could go wrong. I was deciding between another Impact M3, the Panthera 500mm, or go electric. I ended up with the Panthera.
As a Panthera owner, I can tell you that they are NOT for everyone. To be honest, I have a little buyers remorse. Yes, it's a great rifle. But I think I should have just gotten another M3 at this point because I'm so much more familiar with that platform. Or, the Vulcan 3 is twisting my arm as well now. The more I read about them, the more I'm considering one. They are getting incredible accuracy and power out of the V3's.

I'm with you on being on the fence about electric airguns. Maybe it's the old school frame of mind, "Less is more".
Which is why I've walked away from FX. I did enjoy the accuracy. But the intricacies were just too much for me. After "Hot Rodding" my M3, and tuning and repairs on customer Impacts, I just decided to not service them anymore.

I've become a dedicated AGT Vulcan 3 fan. You've got experience tearing into your M3 (?), I'll bet my life you've been frustrated during the process more than once.
If you ever get a chance to open one up (AGT), you're going to fall in love with how well they're engineered. Simplicity and ease of maintenance. I do miss having the higher capacity mags that are used in the M3. That said, I've got a handful of mags that aren't plastic and perform flawlessly in my pocket for the AGT's.

My Vulcan 3 .25 pushing 38.9 NSA shoots lights out 10 ring shots at 100 yds if I do my part and conditions are favorable. That's pushing 81 fpe at the muzzle. My .30 sends 47.2 NSA with 110 fpe at the muzzle with the same accuracy. I can get more out of both of I want to sacrifice shot count.

I'll end up buying an Epoch though. The platform intrigues me! I'm waiting on someone to post maximum fps/fpe for .30 and .35. I'm also waiting for first gen test subjects to work the bugs out. (I will figure out a way to add a sexy Aussie female voice to that platform to stroke my ego while shooting.)

Cheers!

 

[Firewalker]

I'm with you on being on the fence about electric airguns. Maybe it's the old school frame of mind, "Less is more".
Which is why I've walked away from FX. I did enjoy the accuracy. But the intricacies were just too much for me. After "Hot Rodding" my M3, and tuning and repairs on customer Impacts, I just decided to not service them anymore.

I've become a dedicated AGT Vulcan 3 fan. You've got experience tearing into your M3 (?), I'll bet my life you've been frustrated during the process more than once.
If you ever get a chance to open one up (AGT), you're going to fall in love with how well they're engineered. Simplicity and ease of maintenance. I do miss having the higher capacity mags that are used in the M3. That said, I've got a handful of mags that aren't plastic and perform flawlessly in my pocket for the AGT's.

My Vulcan 3 .25 pushing 38.9 NSA shoots lights out 10 ring shots at 100 yds if I do my part and conditions are favorable. That's pushing 81 fpe at the muzzle. My .30 sends 47.2 NSA with 110 fpe at the muzzle with the same accuracy. I can get more out of both of I want to sacrifice shot count.

I'll end up buying an Epoch though. The platform intrigues me! I'm waiting on someone to post maximum fps/fpe for .30 and .35. I'm also waiting for first gen test subjects to work the bugs out. (I will figure out a way to add a sexy Aussie female voice to that platform to stroke my ego while shooting.)

Cheers!

How do you get past the ugliness of the Vulcan?

 

[ccfly]

ugliness ? if u go that path 90% of them are ugly i mean super ugly ,,look kalibr or fx or daystate or any other uglyyyyyy

 

[K9Air]

How do you get past the ugliness of the Vulcan?

That's easy. I'd rather be a little ugly over being a postage stamp clone of everything else.
Pantera headed in the right direction. Then again, it heavily favoured the Leshy 2. Yet, here we are doing a 180 and there's an option to turn it into a longer version of an Impact by adding a bottle back in its original location. And the FX fan base eats that right up..? "Cool idea! Where can I get this? Awesome, I need this! Etc etc.." Ya really have to hand it to FX, they've got one helluva marketing team.
My Impact M3 shot amazingly accurate. It's no wonder FX is winning competitions across the board. The market is flooded with the product. I grew sour with having to buy my M3 for $2200. Next, dropped an additional $350 for each barrel/caliber swap. Oh wait, now I need a new gauges because they kinda sucked. Damn, I really need a Huma reg now because of reg creep, There goes another $120. What's this?! Here comes a power tune kit.. Gotta have these for each caliber I swapped for. Hell ya! I need this too, a Power block... Accuracy Tension barrel kit...
For my M2, power plenum upgrade. Etc... And ironically only shoots FX or JSB ammo if I wanted the best accuracy. FX marketing is pure genius.
Finally, I had to walk away because I'm just a regular Joe who didn't want to support my "Diva" any more. Again, I loved my FX. She just demanded more than I could commit to giving over time. No matter what, for me and what I strive for, it was never enough.
I'm a minimalist, I like simple. Give me a gal who can feel comfortable wearing blue jeans, sweatshirt and a ball cap over a gal who spends 3 hrs in front of the mirror just to go pick up an ice cream cone. My blue jean gal performs just a good as the diva. But doesn't mind getting her hands a little dirty.
So, that's how I get past the "ugliness".

Cheers!

K9

 

[Vana2]

**** I do occasionally hunt but usually from a bench or blind. Usually squirels but the occasional coon. I keep saying I need .25 or .30 but realistically I took several trash pandas with the wildcat in .22 . But more I like accuracy and as a former benchrest shooter both rimfire and centerfire i punch a lot of paper. So I want a gun to do both. Most shots sub 100 yards but would be nice to open it up farther. ****

We have similar interests. I have several high end PCPs (including the Impact and Panthera) and would recommend the Impact for all around versatility and flexibility. They shoot great - right out of the box - and are tuner-friendly if you decide that you want more or less power.

Lots of information, support videos and accessories if you are so inclined.

For your intended applications (paper punching and a bit of small game hunting) I'd say that the .22 would be the ideal caliber. It's economical in cost of pellets and air and has more than enough power for what you need. You can always change caliber if you decide to shoot at (much) longer distances or hunt larger game.

Good luck with your purchase!


P.S. I'm really enjoying my .22/700 Panthera - it's a great bench rifle but not as versatile as the Impact. My all around favorite plinking, pesting and small game PCP is a .22/500 FX Crowm MK2, it also punches paper very well, I just don't use it for that.

Cheers

 

[orangeokie]

I voted for Daystate primarily because I don`t tinker. Daystate in generel make a high-end product out of the box. One doesn`t buy a new Mercedes to strip it and replace components with homemade 3D stuff. One can do that with a new/old Chevy.

Truer words never spoken, IMO. Of course, to each his own, but Daystate engineers do everything for the end user, so you can just plug and play the Mercedes of PCP air rifles. I am brand new to PCPs and it took me several months to even consider buying an electronic Daystate, but I finally picked up an Air Wolf in .22 with a beautiful tiger stripe stock, and I am thoroughly impressed with the electronic MCT firing technology that will stack pellets. I am shopping for a .30 cal and the Mechanical Wolverine R high power in .303 is talking my language.

 

[5StarGunsAndGear]

Well after much debate and. Pulling my hair out finally went with a .30 impact 700mm

 

[Macros]

Truer words never spoken, IMO. Of course, to each his own, but Daystate engineers do everything for the end user, so you can just plug and play the Mercedes of PCP air rifles. I am brand new to PCPs and it took me several months to even consider buying an electronic Daystate, but I finally picked up an Air Wolf in .22 with a beautiful tiger stripe stock, and I am thoroughly impressed with the electronic MCT firing technology that will stack pellets. I am shopping for a .30 cal and the Mechanical Wolverine R high power in .303 is talking my language.

The airwolf is a magnificent rifle and your words are true regarding it. I still own an MVT version (built in chrony and velocity feedback) and it's up there with the best rifles ever made in my opinion.

Be careful assuming the same for every Daystate though - they are no different than FX or any other company.

The red wolf is a great gun, but it had major problems with its magazine due to its air activated indexing pin that carried over from the pulsar and took forever to fix with a full redesign, despite a multitude of complaints.

I bought one of the early run daystate delta wolves - it was the worst beta tester fiasco I've ever dealt with and the most unfinished and broken rifle I've ever bought. The only support I got from daystate UK was the cold shoulder along with a snide email suggesting I read the manual from their ex-technical director. The local distributor could seemingly only wait on daystate. AOA'S guys were much more helpful but obviously greatly limited in their ability to do anything.
That gun required a lot of work to get it even hitting paper - I made a whole thread on the process of replacing the barrel, fixing the shroud support, adding an airstripper, soldering loose connections on the chrony etc etc.
In the end though, being what it is, there were multiple major issues the end user simply couldn't fix (software issues and bugs, reg and valve issues etc) that took way too long for Daystate to iron out.

Anyway the guns are by all accounts very good now and I assume most of the issues I experienced are fixed. I don't know for sure -mine is long gone with no regrets. The alpha wolf is just a recently made delta wolf with a wooden stock bolted on so no more beta testing required there.

Anyway I suppose this is just a long winded way of saying don't assume anything - most companies would sell you an unfinished product if they think they can get away with it

 

[beerthief]

Looks appealing but afraid service after the sale may prove challenging. Seeing I have got zero response from email on his site. I know I can call but if your going to publish your email to ask questions you should be responsive. I don’t think that’s who I want to spend my money with.

$4100 i would buy a Thomas .

 

[GA_LeadHead]

Well after much debate and. Pulling my hair out finally went with a .30 impact 700mm

Congrats. You will enjoy it!

And I'm eating crow. I said I was hesitant to get an electronic air rifle and I ordered the Daystate Alpha Wolf Safari this morning, lol.

 

[Chukar60]

My first air gun was a Daystate electronic. I had bad experience with the electronics and have never gone back. This is not to say I condemn them as a brand or the electronics either. I just won’t buy something I cannot fix myself again.

Panthers and Epoch both suffer the same malady in my book. First iteration guns and need some time for the bugs to get worked out. I would wait before diving in either pool.

Impact is on its 3rd generation. I have an M3 and love it. However, I like to tune and tinker.
The difficulty of tuning an Impact is often overblown. It is not that difficult. Really no harder than a Maverick and only slightly more complicated than the Crown. Simply twist the front reg up to where you never have to worry about it and use the other adjustments to get where you want to go.
The Impact is very accurate and can be made into a mild mannered pellet shooter or a slug shooting beast.
Mine has given me exactly zero problems in over a year with thousands of projectiles down rang and at least 5 different tunes. Get tired of a 22 or 25 and for under 500 you have a different caliber.