FX FX problems
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I think the FX POI "problem" is, at least partly, a matter of perspective. If you are a target shooter who goes to the range, zeros the rifle, and then starts shooting, then POI discrepancy from the last outing doesn't much matter. The same can be said for the informal plinker. But, if your rifle is for practical field use, it's a different story. An amount of POI variance that is not an issue in the first two scenarios, becomes a disaster in the last. Here is what I believe: any barrel liner/sleeve system is less robust than a solid barrel. Whether or not that is an issue for any specific shooter depends on a number of variables, and can only be determined by that shooter. When you stop and consider, it's nothing short of a miracle that any of these PCP rifles shoot as well as they do, when their operation depends on a bunch of O rings, valves, and compressed air.
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The Titan, Falcon, Daystate LR90, Mako, Air Arms all used small dia. barrel and no poi shift until you had to replace an o-ring in 10-25 years. Barrel fit/attachment sure counts. The older Theoben MFR you could use the shroud as a walking stick the get off the ground every lane then lean it on tree's and no shift. And nothing wrong with the day's gone by soda straw barrels if it's just for fun and under $50.00. I have an original Gauntlet .177 that has never been pampered and never had any shift.
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And, nothing wrong with the latest greatest FX rigs (the old ones were nearly golden) r as to some people these day's $2-3000 for fun fun fun is the same as $500 to others.
John
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A very good response, fair and accurate. When I got into Airguns 4 years ago I naively thought; these AGs don’t break or have issues. Then I bought and since sold a buffet of guns, including FX. What I learned is buy what you can fix and get help fixing and parts. So I sold off a bunch of guns and focused on 2 areas 1. Platform, now I’m nearly entirely Hueben and Weihrauch. 2. Vendors. Krazcoool/Kelly and AOA have stood by me and pulled my ass out of the fire multiple times. I will go to the grave singing their praise. I never thought I would breakdown GK1s, K1s, HW 44s, and soon 30s, 50s and 95s to repair. I’m too old , I prefer shooting vs repairing. My advice is narrow it down, pick it, choose it and learn it to self repair. Obviously this theory doesn’t apply to the pros who can diagnose and treat any problem, the 5%. Not me.
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I had 4 m3s i really gave a fair shot and ripping them apart and putting back together wasnt worth it i did try
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Come on now Kpac, we don’t rip airguns apart. We disassemble them. Ripping them apart may have lead to further issues.
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Impact MK2 here, I remember the story when I bought it that this wasn't a starters gun.
Starting from second month owning it, I did so many internal surgeries I strip all the 3mm threads in aluminum, but I learned this LEGO gun to a level I can take it apart and back to shooting lanes with my closed eyes. The Impact was never back to a dealer for service, I wanted to learn all the ins and outs obamaself.
I am shooting rings only, 100% from any kind of rest, I never tried to shoot it offhand, storing it in a hard case with a gun oriented in way the scope is at top.
If any POI shift I don't know, I am recycling my first 5-10 shots anyway and watching the radar screen when doesn't move anymore I am set.
Starting from second month owning it, I did so many internal surgeries I strip all the 3mm threads in aluminum, but I learned this LEGO gun to a level I can take it apart and back to shooting lanes with my closed eyes. The Impact was never back to a dealer for service, I wanted to learn all the ins and outs obamaself.
I am shooting rings only, 100% from any kind of rest, I never tried to shoot it offhand, storing it in a hard case with a gun oriented in way the scope is at top.
If any POI shift I don't know, I am recycling my first 5-10 shots anyway and watching the radar screen when doesn't move anymore I am set.
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OK my friends and families, I am open to take this POI shift story to a next level.
Anybody experiencing the phenomena please join us here, lets troubleshoot what else could be an issue here.
please grab some one to take two=2 pictures of you.
One picture from side, oposite side of you anchoring for scope eye box and ready to make a very first shot - perpendicular to the gun and same height as your head. Frame the picture in a way, no need the entire gun only to show your head with a scope, your elbow and how you shoulder it. Regardless offhand or sitting at the bench.
Second picture from behind you, same height, to show your head leaning into the eye box also to show the angle on your arm and elbow, from that angle most likely the gun won't be visible but that is not in our interest to see anyway.
The pictures we can analyze and troubleshoot, A little coaching for free.
Anybody experiencing the phenomena please join us here, lets troubleshoot what else could be an issue here.
please grab some one to take two=2 pictures of you.
One picture from side, oposite side of you anchoring for scope eye box and ready to make a very first shot - perpendicular to the gun and same height as your head. Frame the picture in a way, no need the entire gun only to show your head with a scope, your elbow and how you shoulder it. Regardless offhand or sitting at the bench.
Second picture from behind you, same height, to show your head leaning into the eye box also to show the angle on your arm and elbow, from that angle most likely the gun won't be visible but that is not in our interest to see anyway.
The pictures we can analyze and troubleshoot, A little coaching for free.
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The whole flimsy ,pathetic barrel liner setup on the Impact is the reason they ALL have POI issues
Those that don't see the problem are just in denial...
Those that don't see the problem are just in denial...
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I see what you’re getting at but my worst POI shifter, Dreamtac, did not require diagnostics on the shooter. For example. There were three shooters and four guns. A Dreamtac, Edgun, Taipan and a Kral of all things. Over the course of a long weekend, we only chased one gun around. This year I machined a solid barrel for the Dreamtac. Didn’t change anything else. Same shooters this year but the Kral was replaced with a DRS classic. I didn’t chase the Dreamtac all weekend. And about every time I found it, it was leaning against this or that with its barrel. A good solid gun can be leaned in a corner or anywhere safe resting on its barrel. It saves me the aggravation of chasing family members around trying to protect my fragile POS.OK my friends and families, I am open to take this POI shift story to a next level.
Anybody experiencing the phenomena please join us here, lets troubleshoot what else could be an issue here.
please grab some one to take two=2 pictures of you.
One picture from side, oposite side of you anchoring for scope eye box and ready to make a very first shot - perpendicular to the gun and same height as your head. Frame the picture in a way, no need the entire gun only to show your head with a scope, your elbow and how you shoulder it. Regardless offhand or sitting at the bench.
Second picture from behind you, same height, to show your head leaning into the eye box also to show the angle on your arm and elbow, from that angle most likely the gun won't be visible but that is not in our interest to see anyway.
The pictures we can analyze and troubleshoot, A little coaching for free.
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I totally agree!
With a poor ground to trigger interface - EVERY and I mean EVERY Impact ever produced will suffer horrendous POI shifts with nearly every shot.
I suggest you test the new M4 but first ask for a ground to trigger interface upgrade to at least Marksman and if you can afford it, I would upgrade to Expert!
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Hey Mike thanks for your experience with your FX. I appreciate when someone shares the good, bad or ugly life experience with service or products .
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I understand your confidence with classic stock guns, but tell me if I am wrong if I read the most % complains from FX bullpup owners?
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I own MANY PCP's of diverse makers (including FX, Daystate, BRK, AGT, Western Airguns, Evanix, Jager, Air Arms, and another's).
Some have excellent looking and quality.
Some have excellent quality and are semi/full auto that makes them an advantage for some situation.
BUT.....
If I would have an only one shot for a only once in life opportunity to take a trophy, my choice would be to shoot that shot with an Airgun Technology rifle.
Those rifles are accurate, powerful and reliable.
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Before you blame the FX STX barrel system, I would make sure the ground to gun interface is not the issue.
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Well i said 2 hrs and that was the thing you’d never know where it was going to go and you could adjust for it and it would change again. Too many small parts bolted together to allow temp and humidity shifts. My m3 was the same till i got an air marksman back bone that cured most of it. In my opinion the mav is a good design carried out poorly. Ill stick with my ghosts.
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You all need to look at barrel liners.. They were made to be put in a barrel that is bored out by a smith...
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I have mk2 impact 700 mm barrel & crown 500mm barrel never had a problem with poi shift from day to day , week by week month to month
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