Fx vs daystate
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I chose both. I have an FX Wildcat .22. It is tops in accuracy and precision. And it's short and light to suit my bad back.
I chose a Daystate Huntsman Classic .22 for all the same reasons.
Which one would I part with first? Probably the Daystate only because since getting the Wildcat I've learned to prefer side-lever cocking and the simple and inexpensive magazine. But the day that I ever part with my Daystate will be a very tearful day. I love this little gun! So does my wife who can out-shoot me with it. The Daystate is what drew out her interest in airgunning. I owe Daystate for giving me the best shooting buddy I've ever had.
BeemanR7
I chose a Daystate Huntsman Classic .22 for all the same reasons.
Which one would I part with first? Probably the Daystate only because since getting the Wildcat I've learned to prefer side-lever cocking and the simple and inexpensive magazine. But the day that I ever part with my Daystate will be a very tearful day. I love this little gun! So does my wife who can out-shoot me with it. The Daystate is what drew out her interest in airgunning. I owe Daystate for giving me the best shooting buddy I've ever had.
BeemanR7
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I'd lean toward Daystate, only because I like pretty guns. I see gorgeous walnut stocks on Daystate rifles all the time, but very seldom see them on FX guns.
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I prefer FX because they don't take a decade to figure out that customers want a regulator, and for their computer controlled models it doesn't take either a replacement unit that is user friendly or a 400$ "daystate" unit to do what 3$ in t-handle hex tools can do on an FX.
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I prefer picatinny rails so that my scopes with QR mounts can be changed in seconds. My FX Wildcat has a picatinny. The response I got from Daystate was “We have no plans to have a picatinny rail”. Guess which manufacturer my next will be.
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I tend to look at Daystates because they make at least some rifles that are left-hand friendly. While I understand why folks love side levers, very few can be switched to the left side.
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I shoot my Royale left and it's perfect, hold the gun up with your left hand never moving and right hand goes from fore end to the cocking lever then back. Pure magic 
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I own both as well, FX Crown .25, Daystate Airwolf .25. It really is not fair to compare, at least these 2 models.
Both offer the shooter something different? Yet at the same time are probably the best production guns on the planet.
I had my Airwolf for sale, But am now thinking I'll hold on to it.
Dennis
Both offer the shooter something different? Yet at the same time are probably the best production guns on the planet.
I had my Airwolf for sale, But am now thinking I'll hold on to it.
Dennis
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I've had both. Two Daystate Wolverines, Two FX Royale's, and a Bobcat. If I'm picking one or the other right now today, it's going to be FX. The versatility their platform offers to the user to be able to adjust and fine tune for accuracy, across multiple calibers in such a friendly way is currently unmatched.
Pros for Daystate:
1.) Beautiful. Stocks are simply gorgeous. Arguably the most attractive wood stocked traditional rifle on the market today.
2.) Fit and finish are top notch. Match grade triggers, generally very quiet with Hugget shrouds, magazines are very robust.
3.) Longest manufacturer warranty in the business (that I know of)
4.) Anti double load feature on many of their guns
5.) The electronics in some of their guns, I've recently learned, can offer some intriguing features that will be pros for some but possibly cons for others. Examples include the electronic trigger, solenoid cocking, etc. I think electronics are personal preference more than a bad or good thing.
Cons for Daystate:
1.) They tend to lag as a corporation when it comes to bringing desired features to market. (Air Arms tends to be in this boat as well) Only recently have Daystate announced they'll be producing a mechanically regulated gun with a side lever. These desirable features have been common in the market for many years with other brands.
2.) While at least as reliable as any other brand, I also don't think they're any less prone to having issues than any other brand. Both of my Wolverines had internal problems that I couldn't fix and had to be sent back for repairs.
3.) Until their new "R" models are released you can only get electronic regulation which tends to be on much more expensive models.
4.) Pricing. Daystate are among the most expensive guns out there and the true value of anything is determined by how much someone is willing to pay. That being said I think a strong argument can be made for the fact that paying $3k for one of their flagship pieces isn't going to yield you any more accuracy/precision/consistency than a lot of guns half the price.
5.) Unless you pay up for an electronic model, the options to adjust the power, particularly for the layman, are very limited. No transfer port adjustments, etc.
Pros for FX.
1.) I don't think anyone can argue that they are the most innovative airgun company around today. Not only are they the most innovative, but they are really good at being innovative with things that the general population really wants. Additionally they bring these innovations to production much faster than any other company.
2.) Fit and finish are top notch. Smoothness of side lever action is second to none, match grade triggers, generally very quiet, power adjustments are very repeatable.
3.) Smooth twist and smooth twist x barrel. HUGE advantage of being able to change calibers and twist rates. Also with the new barrel liners you can apparently do so rather inexpensively. Some of your FX guns can be a .25 hunting rig in the morning and a .177 plinking rig in the afternoon. That just doesn't happen with most other brands. I won't go into the other smooth twist benefits here. There are a few and they've been covered ad nauseam. A google search will get you all you need.
4.) They are currently the only company offering guns with such adjustability. I don't know of anyone else that offers a transfer port adjustment, hammer spring adjustment and regulator adjustment all externally accessible. This infinite adjustabilty goes a long way to letting the user ring out every last drop of performance that they can out of the gun.
5.) Pricing. They've made an impressive attempt to get high end features on their guns while staying below the $2k threshold. I think it's arguable, especially with the new Dreamline series, that FX offers a strong "bang for the buck" lineup. More importantly they do so without compromising quality.
Cons for FX.
1.) The speed of innovation and bringing new ideas to market so quickly can result in some models having "growing pains" as the bugs tend to be worked out over the first production runs.
2.) You currently have to get on a wait list to order some of their more desirable models as they aren't so easily able to keep up with demand. I'd call this more of a back handed compliment than a con but it's certainly a con if you want one in your hands right now.
3.) Their stocks, while very functional and attractive in their own right, are not as eye popping as the stocks on the Daystate rifles. In my opinion anyway, I guess this part is subjective.
I'm genuinely not trying to be a fan boy, I just legitimately can't think of any other cons for FX. I'm sure others will chime in. There are lovers and haters on both sides of the isle here.
All the best!
Cliff
Pros for Daystate:
1.) Beautiful. Stocks are simply gorgeous. Arguably the most attractive wood stocked traditional rifle on the market today.
2.) Fit and finish are top notch. Match grade triggers, generally very quiet with Hugget shrouds, magazines are very robust.
3.) Longest manufacturer warranty in the business (that I know of)
4.) Anti double load feature on many of their guns
5.) The electronics in some of their guns, I've recently learned, can offer some intriguing features that will be pros for some but possibly cons for others. Examples include the electronic trigger, solenoid cocking, etc. I think electronics are personal preference more than a bad or good thing.
Cons for Daystate:
1.) They tend to lag as a corporation when it comes to bringing desired features to market. (Air Arms tends to be in this boat as well) Only recently have Daystate announced they'll be producing a mechanically regulated gun with a side lever. These desirable features have been common in the market for many years with other brands.
2.) While at least as reliable as any other brand, I also don't think they're any less prone to having issues than any other brand. Both of my Wolverines had internal problems that I couldn't fix and had to be sent back for repairs.
3.) Until their new "R" models are released you can only get electronic regulation which tends to be on much more expensive models.
4.) Pricing. Daystate are among the most expensive guns out there and the true value of anything is determined by how much someone is willing to pay. That being said I think a strong argument can be made for the fact that paying $3k for one of their flagship pieces isn't going to yield you any more accuracy/precision/consistency than a lot of guns half the price.
5.) Unless you pay up for an electronic model, the options to adjust the power, particularly for the layman, are very limited. No transfer port adjustments, etc.
Pros for FX.
1.) I don't think anyone can argue that they are the most innovative airgun company around today. Not only are they the most innovative, but they are really good at being innovative with things that the general population really wants. Additionally they bring these innovations to production much faster than any other company.
2.) Fit and finish are top notch. Smoothness of side lever action is second to none, match grade triggers, generally very quiet, power adjustments are very repeatable.
3.) Smooth twist and smooth twist x barrel. HUGE advantage of being able to change calibers and twist rates. Also with the new barrel liners you can apparently do so rather inexpensively. Some of your FX guns can be a .25 hunting rig in the morning and a .177 plinking rig in the afternoon. That just doesn't happen with most other brands. I won't go into the other smooth twist benefits here. There are a few and they've been covered ad nauseam. A google search will get you all you need.
4.) They are currently the only company offering guns with such adjustability. I don't know of anyone else that offers a transfer port adjustment, hammer spring adjustment and regulator adjustment all externally accessible. This infinite adjustabilty goes a long way to letting the user ring out every last drop of performance that they can out of the gun.
5.) Pricing. They've made an impressive attempt to get high end features on their guns while staying below the $2k threshold. I think it's arguable, especially with the new Dreamline series, that FX offers a strong "bang for the buck" lineup. More importantly they do so without compromising quality.
Cons for FX.
1.) The speed of innovation and bringing new ideas to market so quickly can result in some models having "growing pains" as the bugs tend to be worked out over the first production runs.
2.) You currently have to get on a wait list to order some of their more desirable models as they aren't so easily able to keep up with demand. I'd call this more of a back handed compliment than a con but it's certainly a con if you want one in your hands right now.
3.) Their stocks, while very functional and attractive in their own right, are not as eye popping as the stocks on the Daystate rifles. In my opinion anyway, I guess this part is subjective.
I'm genuinely not trying to be a fan boy, I just legitimately can't think of any other cons for FX. I'm sure others will chime in. There are lovers and haters on both sides of the isle here.
All the best!
Cliff
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Thank you guys so much!! Tbh I’m leaning towards the Fx impact x. Shot count and accuracy are exactly what I am looking for and the ability to change calibers and twist rates is a god send. 2000 is way to much for me but I’d down the road I can basically make the gun do whatever I want be it a 200 yard .30 hunter or a 150+ shot .22 plinker. I don’t have to drop another 1000 on a gun just update my current. I was also thinking a crown but I feel that a free floating barrel for me might get banged up( no experience with free floating) and also no smooth twist x 700mm barrels (which to my knowledge not only increase accuracy but shot count because I can use less air to drive the pellet the same speed as a normal barrel because it has more time to create velocity?) I really love the look of the blue laminate crown but again the impact is just more compact.
Daystate makes some some extremely beautiful guns and that big bore wolverine is pretty wicked cool
Daystate makes some some extremely beautiful guns and that big bore wolverine is pretty wicked cool
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also the dreamline seems so amazing but I dunno if I can wait that long... the wallet would be a lot happier if I did though
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@Cliff_Allen first of all thanks for writing that up. I find that really helpful. I know you have the option to change calibers. Do you actually use this option regularly, or it is more finding what works and then you stick with it? I.e. you now have spare parts sitting on the shelve. Are the liners with different twist rates available? Do you use those? I imagine you want to find the ideal liner for your application, but for jsb that's what the gun ships with, right? What other twist rates are available and what are they ideal for?
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I don’t want to be limited to jsb that’s my main gripe. I want to be able to play around with different ammo. And ya I wanna hunt with it but also I wanna be able to just shoot target after target and not be worried about 30 shots and gotta refill.
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@ Allan, Cliff was VERY articulate!
I would only add that my (Airwolf .25) and a tactical is blacked out.
Being electronic There is an on board micro processor that performs much like a regulator.
There are 9 programming functions.
I'm sorry I am not going to list them all.
I will touch on what I use.
I will reset the shot count (level 2) to see how many shots I took or got on a fill.
Level 3, I can watch the fill level as I gas the gun.
There are 2 power levels.
I can see my battery level. I recharge once a month (2500 rounds?)
The bolt just loads a pellet and rotates the mag, it don't cock the gun.
The trigger is a micro switch. It is REALLY light! match grade.
The gun is really accurate.
It's WP (max fill) is 230 bar? 70 shots per fill
Mine don't like like that pressure. She likes 200-205 down to 150 bar.
50 plus shots within 15 fps of each other.
Bottom line. This gun was designed to do one thing and do it well! and it does.
If you don't want to fuss and tinker?
I have a gun for you! LOL
Dennis
I would only add that my (Airwolf .25) and a tactical is blacked out.
Being electronic There is an on board micro processor that performs much like a regulator.
There are 9 programming functions.
I'm sorry I am not going to list them all.
I will touch on what I use.
I will reset the shot count (level 2) to see how many shots I took or got on a fill.
Level 3, I can watch the fill level as I gas the gun.
There are 2 power levels.
I can see my battery level. I recharge once a month (2500 rounds?)
The bolt just loads a pellet and rotates the mag, it don't cock the gun.
The trigger is a micro switch. It is REALLY light! match grade.
The gun is really accurate.
It's WP (max fill) is 230 bar? 70 shots per fill
Mine don't like like that pressure. She likes 200-205 down to 150 bar.
50 plus shots within 15 fps of each other.
Bottom line. This gun was designed to do one thing and do it well! and it does.
If you don't want to fuss and tinker?
I have a gun for you! LOL
Dennis
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