Fx wildcat mkII or Edgun r5m std.

[NickT]

With reasonable care, I can personally recommend the Wildcat MKII in .30 caliber. I recently sold mine to fund another gun, but it put pellet on pellet right out of the box. I didn't do a thing to it, just took it out of the case and shot it. Mine had the AMP regulator and Donny FL Ronin. It was quiet and powerful. I did add a printed barrel band (goes around the air cylinder and barrel) because when gripping the gun, I sometimes tend to squeeze the two together. Coons are one tough critter and I'd rather have a little more power than not, so I'd get a .30, but make sure of your backstop. Pellets will do the job with proper placement. If I got a R5M Matador, I'd still get a .30 for coons. Not as refined as the FX, and I'm not sure it would be as quiet (not sure). Don't know if you need a short gun or not, or how important quiet is in your case. The Edgun would probably be a little shorter (depending on what model your get-Standard. Long or Extra Long). The Edgun is more suited to slugs but it's not as simple as buying slugs and shooting them. It usually takes a fair bit of tinkering, tuning as experimenting.

I second this post 100%. I purchased an FX Wildcat Compact (0.25 cal) specifically for shooting raccoons and returned it because it lacked stopping power. Bought a Wildcat 0.30 on that exchange and am very happy; I’ve bagged over 30 raccoons this summer and most went down with one shot.

I also have a Ronin and it’s needed to make the WC 0.30 neighbor friendly.

 

[Peskådot671]

I guess it is just to each there own= opinions likes and dislikes as well. It's not like the fx is trouble free lol. reg creep , bent liners , plastic stocks that have and do break, stripped screws, adjustment nuts backing out bent liners blah blah blah and so on, lol . I still like my FX airguns. I am leaning more towards the edguns myself lol. I own both of course. I am definitely more of a hunter ,pest-ing , plinker , than a competition shooter by far haha. Just me to each their own. I actually feel personally there are more pesting hunter fun plinker types than the other but I have been known to be wrong haha. So no worries here 

Thanks for pointing out that the Wildcat/FX in general is not without their problems. At least the OP can make a better decision. 

 

[ghoststalker]

ghoststalker, I would highly recommend the Wildcat MKII .30 for your coon hunting adventures...I have owned one since the beginning of this year and have lots of experience with it.

It comes out of the box shooting the JSB 44.75 grain pellets at about 70 fpe, and can be tuned to shoot those pellets at 88 fpe or the JSB 50 grain pellets at 90 fpe. (foot pounds energy). The Wildcat .30 is very light, easy to handle, points naturally, is beautiful to look at, and an absolute tack driver! Get one with the synthetic stock with the soft touch grippy finish for those nights when it is drizzling and a slippery finish is not an option.

For an optic on this beauty I recommend the Bushnell 4X Accelerate Prism Sight...it is all you will ever need for your close range coon hunting out to 50 yards...I have one of these on my Wildcat .25 and love it. The reticle lights up at many different brightness levels in green or red. Here is a link I found for you to see the sight and its reticle...https://www.ebay.com/p/Bushnell-AR750010-Matte-Black-4x-Illuminated-Btr-3-Reticle-Red-Dot-Sight/5008885122

After re-reading what I just wrote I really wish I hadn't sold my Wildcat .30 last week! I miss her already! 

All the best, Chuck

My close quarters, is when they get in my garage or shed. And my back stop will be my garage door, walls, windows, mower, paint cans, gas cans. So I prefer no pass through, but a lot of internal damage. Do you think the 30 would pass through ? Do you think the 25 would pass through ? I know a 177 does not, in fact they don’t even faze them damn things. 

 

[ghoststalker]

plastic on top, metal on bottom

That blue is really nice. It would somewhat match my springer. 

 

[ghoststalker]

With reasonable care, I can personally recommend the Wildcat MKII in .30 caliber. I recently sold mine to fund another gun, but it put pellet on pellet right out of the box. I didn't do a thing to it, just took it out of the case and shot it. Mine had the AMP regulator and Donny FL Ronin. It was quiet and powerful. I did add a printed barrel band (goes around the air cylinder and barrel) because when gripping the gun, I sometimes tend to squeeze the two together. Coons are one tough critter and I'd rather have a little more power than not, so I'd get a .30, but make sure of your backstop. Pellets will do the job with proper placement. If I got a R5M Matador, I'd still get a .30 for coons. Not as refined as the FX, and I'm not sure it would be as quiet (not sure). Don't know if you need a short gun or not, or how important quiet is in your case. The Edgun would probably be a little shorter (depending on what model your get-Standard. Long or Extra Long). The Edgun is more suited to slugs but it's not as simple as buying slugs and shooting them. It usually takes a fair bit of tinkering, tuning as experimenting.

I second this post 100%. I purchased an FX Wildcat Compact (0.25 cal) specifically for shooting raccoons and returned it because it lacked stopping power. Bought a Wildcat 0.30 on that exchange and am very happy; I’ve bagged over 30 raccoons this summer and most went down with one shot.

I also have a Ronin and it’s needed to make the WC 0.30 neighbor friendly.

Are you shooting through them ? I know that is what I would like to do, like be able to line them up and shoot through three or four ( as that is what they seem to show up in , groups of three or four). But again I dont want to be passing through and shooting through my garage door or walls. When out side of the garage or sheds, I still have neighboring houses to deal with. I have killed a few with my HW 97K, but most don’t even react to getting hit. 

 

[TarheelScott]

ghost

Just a suggestion here you can ignore or not lol. What about a live trap ,cage, set with dog food or some bait that keeps well inside these areas where it is questionable for safety if you shoot. I have used them in the past along with dog proof foothold spring traps as well. Did you ever make a rabbitgum or box trap outta wood when you were a kid I used too cut an apple and smear it all around and put the pieces inside haha? I caught possums , coons , rabbits , skunks, cats etc.

My close quarters, is when they get in my garage or shed. And my back stop will be my garage door, walls, windows, mower, paint cans, gas cans. So I prefer no pass through, but a lot of internal damage. Do you think the 30 would pass through ? Do you think the 25 would pass through ? I know a 177 does not, in fact they don’t even faze them damn things.

Just an idea 

 

[NickT]

With reasonable care, I can personally recommend the Wildcat MKII in .30 caliber. I recently sold mine to fund another gun, but it put pellet on pellet right out of the box. I didn't do a thing to it, just took it out of the case and shot it. Mine had the AMP regulator and Donny FL Ronin. It was quiet and powerful. I did add a printed barrel band (goes around the air cylinder and barrel) because when gripping the gun, I sometimes tend to squeeze the two together. Coons are one tough critter and I'd rather have a little more power than not, so I'd get a .30, but make sure of your backstop. Pellets will do the job with proper placement. If I got a R5M Matador, I'd still get a .30 for coons. Not as refined as the FX, and I'm not sure it would be as quiet (not sure). Don't know if you need a short gun or not, or how important quiet is in your case. The Edgun would probably be a little shorter (depending on what model your get-Standard. Long or Extra Long). The Edgun is more suited to slugs but it's not as simple as buying slugs and shooting them. It usually takes a fair bit of tinkering, tuning as experimenting.

I second this post 100%. I purchased an FX Wildcat Compact (0.25 cal) specifically for shooting raccoons and returned it because it lacked stopping power. Bought a Wildcat 0.30 on that exchange and am very happy; I’ve bagged over 30 raccoons this summer and most went down with one shot.

I also have a Ronin and it’s needed to make the WC 0.30 neighbor friendly.

Are you shooting through them ? I know that is what I would like to do, like be able to line them up and shoot through three or four ( as that is what they seem to show up in , groups of three or four). But again I dont want to be passing through and shooting through my garage door or walls. When out side of the garage or sheds, I still have neighboring houses to deal with. I have killed a few with my HW 97K, but most don’t even react to getting hit.

No: from what I can tell, the pellets typically don’t exit. I go for head shots and often times don’t even see much blood. But, perhaps you could get pass through on a double-lung shot. I always try to get them to flip and kick... I’m using the JSB 0.30 cal in 44 and 50 grain.

 

[EDgun]

With the trigger in particular, as a critical part of the human-to-gun interface, using plastic here is risky no matter how comfortable it is. Some companies go as far as to gold plate the trigger to project an image of quality. High end airguns, which cost more than most firearms, need to not only be solid and functional, but also present a feel of precision and lasting character when held in the hands.

I wonder what risk are you talking about? I'll tell you my philosophy about it, as engineer. I believe that the device (no matter whether it is gun, train, plane, car or whatever) firs of all should be functionally perfect. I mean the creator should take care of the critical parts to serve as long as possible. On the other hand, the wise creator shouldn’t waste resources to make some parts over robust. As it lead to the increasing the price but without additional reability.

OK, we are talking about Matador/Lelya. Particularly about the trigger. Do you have an idea how it works? Here is the scheme. As you can see the trigger itself, is just a frame. It has no critical surfaces as the work is to be done with the two screws. So, what is the problem is the trigger is made of plastic (very robust by the way, as I’ve shown in the video before, or you can see the crash test of Matador synthetic stock bellow. Do you think if any of laminated or walnut stocks will be able to function after 200 kg (440 pounds) millstone drops on them? But the synthetic stocks even being cracked function father without any problem. So, the engineer’s task is to choose the right material for the right function in the device.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7fNn7e5o_8&t=3s



Ok, back to the trigger. Since it have the strengthens more than enough for the function it carries, the working element is still steel made I don’t see any problem why it shouldn’t be plastic? And taking into consideration the fact that it is more comfortable in the cold circumstances, it cannot get rusty in the wet condition I think it should be plastic.



Last but not least, the cost of the production for long term perspective and the speed of the production. We used to use erosion for making steel parts, even if I don’t care about the price (and I really don’t care about it if the question is quality and reliability) it took too long to make them and I do remember many times when I couldn’t assemble the guns, waiting the parts from erosion. And the funniest think they work the same way!!! Why should I follow the old methods, good for the small number of guns to be made? Just because somebody has the idea in mind that “metal is better than plastic”? Really?! To talk about what is better and what is worse, engineers ALWAYS consider the place where that part is to be installed.



And one more time, talking about the robustness. I wonder if any of the gun makers can do it with their guns?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-9wyDCyXGA&t=16s



Or scopes?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ovrwJ33SWE&t=5s



I think that I prooves many times that I take care of the quiality and using plastic is not the attempt to make the guns cheaper to the detriment of the quality...



With the best regards



Ed

 

[Hyperdave]

The risk I was speaking of was only about customer perception, which is something that can take years to alter, and may or may not be linked to what is engineering excellence. If everyone knew what the engineers at Edgun know, their perception of such things as plastic triggers would likely be different.

In reality though, what appeals to customers can be as much art as science, and even a device such as an airgun can benefit from aesthetic appeal, which often makes the difference between the customer sitting on the fence wondering which gun to buy-- and $2000 leaping out of their pockets because they are smitten with it and they enjoy showing it off in addition to shooting it.

While performance and reliability are an engineering priority, some customers will be willing pay hundreds more for something that is also beautiful, such as AGN member PiterM' s Lelya (pictured).

The high-end guitar companies have been doing this for years, offering hand selected figured woods for hundreds and sometimes thousands more! It turns out there's no shortage of guys that appreciate the finer things that combine beauty and ultimate performance in the same entity.

 

[Mikepr]

Ed

Yes you are a good engineer and a better designer 

You make excellent guns with an aluminium quality i never see 
I am a Glock user for many years, so i like "plastic"
But, because you sell wordwide and not only at cold countries and airgunners use special, anatomic, alu blades for the triggers and pcp are not "tank" guns only, my opinion is that the half part of sales is R&D and the other is marketing
The R5M has no second stage adjustment, but travel after second stage !

All the high end guns use alu mags, probably plastic is better, the BAT silencer is alu, am i right ?
Dont loose what costumer wants and QC
at R3M you used a lot of alu parts, they became plastic at R5M, my opinion R3M is the most durable, solid, simple gun i ever used

Friendly Mike

 

[TarheelScott]

OK I am buying 2 more edguns now ! The lelya above is a masterpiece as Dave stated and How can you not love and respect Ed I mean come on he is awesome !!

Thank you Ed for posting the videos I am hooked Like a fish  !!! Ha Ha I love them.

I can't wait to get the new stock so I can save The beauty of the art work as I destroy my targets if I can hit them because the enormous smile on my face affects my shooting ability haha.

Scott in NC 

 

[EDgun]

The risk I was speaking of was only about customer perception, which is something that can take years to alter, and may or may not be linked to what is engineering excellence. If everyone knew what the engineers at Edgun know, their perception of such things as plastic triggers would likely be different.

In reality though, what appeals to customers can be as much art as science, and even a device such as an airgun can benefit from aesthetic appeal, which often makes the difference between the customer sitting on the fence wondering which gun to buy-- and $2000 leaping out of their pockets because they are smitten with it and they enjoy showing it off in addition to shooting it.

While performance and reliability are an engineering priority, some customers will be willing pay hundreds more for something that is also beautiful, such as AGN member PiterM' s Lelya (pictured).

The high-end guitar companies have been doing this for years, offering hand selected figured woods for hundreds and sometimes thousands more! It turns out there's no shortage of guys that appreciate the finer things that combine beauty and ultimate performance in the same entity.

I got your point. Some people are old fashioned and they accept the cars only in black colour  



Just another point about “plastic”



https://www.truevelocityinc.com



They chosen by the US government for Next Generation Squad Weapon (NGSW). I know that our government are full of idiots, that is true both for USA and Russia, but, anyhow, that means a lot. As far as I understood the future  



Moreover I can tell you for sure that electronic components will come to PCP guns quite soon in huge volumes. We reached the ceiling of the Zharardony system, with the mechanic and springs. Even if we use the new materials (like plastic) we get almost nothing new, that is dead end. No doubt there will be a great number of people, who wouldn’t never accept electronic in guns, like they don’t accept plastic now. OK, no problem they will just have to be left in the past…



By the way, regarding the photo of Piotr’s Lelya. Yes, I got proposals many times, to grade the stocks by its beauty and charge more for more beautiful stocks. Thinking it over I thought that I would rather make some clients happy, when they have the nice stock based on the lottery principle not everything in this world can be measured with the money…

 

[EDgun]

Ed

Yes you are a good engineer and a better designer 

You make excellent guns with an aluminium quality i never see 
I am a Glock user for many years, so i like "plastic"
But, because you sell wordwide and not only at cold countries and airgunners use special, anatomic, alu blades for the triggers and pcp are not "tank" guns only, my opinion is that the half part of sales is R&D and the other is marketing
The R5M has no second stage adjustment, but travel after second stage !

All the high end guns use alu mags, probably plastic is better, the BAT silencer is alu, am i right ?
Dont loose what costumer wants and QC
at R3M you used a lot of alu parts, they became plastic at R5M, my opinion R3M is the most durable, solid, simple gun i ever used

Friendly Mike

Thanks for comment, Mike!



OK, the Bat moderator. You know the reasons of many things are much much easier that people want to think about them! I exlain -- Lelya has 595 mm length. That is just FIVE mm less than the restriction in the UK regarding this sort of guns.



So, I was just asked to find out some solution. The easiest solution would be to take the ready to be produced part of R5 gun, the moderator, just 2.5 inches longer than the deafult one. Bingo! I don't need to spend money on making the CNC machine programs for new part, I don't need to spend money for making the special tools etc, etc., the only thing I need just to start making it. Yes, that is alluminium, but not becuase it is better, just becuase it is cheaper for the R5 system, which was, as you may remember the limited edition, so it would be too expensive to make the molds for making any plastic part for the gun which was supposed to be limited edition from the very beginning. And the same thing with the moderators for Lelya in UK, it is cheaper, for me, to make them in allum rather than in plastic.



The R3M, you say it was "the most durable, solid, simple gun i ever used:" But that is not true, in fact R5M platform is more robust and easier to service and to operate. 



At least I wouldn't risk to make the Toyota Land Crouser test wtih R3M I, as the manufacturer, is interested in making better guns, that is priotiry. even if it is more expensive. 



As I think that is the only way to be in a success. R5M is more complicated in production than R3M but it is better for users, so, based on the logic that "plastic parts are used just to make the guns cheaper" I should just stay with R3M, right? But I cannot, as if I see that I can make something better I just can keep making the worse thing. That is my nature, not good for capitalist I know



For R5M trigger, it is adjusted, yes, and even better than it was with R3M, one just need to read manual and adjust it, that is easy. 

 

[Mikepr]

Its my honor to discuss with you

You confuse me a little about the CNC, how dificult is to extend a thing that you already have !

Alu or palstic silencer is better and cheaper ?

The weight of second stage is adjustable ?

Its easy to dissasemble the R5M but there are some tips,like shroud orientation, pins (like old english guns), water bottle to avoid scratch, EDMU risky battery change (the old model needs pressurized air), the bad quality lever springs.

The 40% of your customers in Greece get the gun because of the walnut drains ! the plastic it will be cheaper ?

 

[cmatera]

The problem is, you picked two really good guns. Do you own any of either brand now? Is there a forum member or dealer near you where you can get a better feel for one over the other?

 

[ghoststalker]

ghost

Just a suggestion here you can ignore or not lol. What about a live trap ,cage, set with dog food or some bait that keeps well inside these areas where it is questionable for safety if you shoot. I have used them in the past along with dog proof foothold spring traps as well. Did you ever make a rabbitgum or box trap outta wood when you were a kid I used too cut an apple and smear it all around and put the pieces inside haha? I caught possums , coons , rabbits , skunks, cats etc.

My close quarters, is when they get in my garage or shed. And my back stop will be my garage door, walls, windows, mower, paint cans, gas cans. So I prefer no pass through, but a lot of internal damage. Do you think the 30 would pass through ? Do you think the 25 would pass through ? I know a 177 does not, in fact they don’t even faze them damn things.

Just an idea 

Yes I have been trapping them, 7 in two weeks period of time. But seems as though they have wised up to the trapping. I get pictures of them ( trail cam) coming to the trap but they won’t enter it now. I have removed the trap, going to wait a few weeks ( not sure how long of memory span they have) then I will set it in a new location. Marshmallows and moon pies seem to work best, cat food, dog food I have not caught any with. I try changing the bait up also. Trapping has cut down on the number of them, but it seems as you remove some, new ones move in. Or maybe they are just passing through, but they torment the crap out of my dog. Make a mess in my garage ( try and keep the doors shut) when a door is left open to long in the evening. We have neighbors that poor a ton of peanuts, hazel nuts, bird seed out for the squirrels and birds and I think that is why I have so many. They are on my roof, trees , fence , sheds , under my deck, its crazy some nights. I caught a really big one in the trap one night and there were at least 7-8 more, like trying to get him out of it. They drug the trap with him in it down my drive way. 

 

[ghoststalker]

The problem is, you picked two really good guns. Do you own any of either brand now? Is there a forum member or dealer near you where you can get a better feel for one over the other? 



I only have a springer now, and there is not a dealer any were around me that I can find. If any one knows of one around Lakewood CO. Let me know.

 

[JWilson]

The risk I was speaking of was only about customer perception, which is something that can take years to alter, and may or may not be linked to what is engineering excellence. If everyone knew what the engineers at Edgun know, their perception of such things as plastic triggers would likely be different.

In reality though, what appeals to customers can be as much art as science, and even a device such as an airgun can benefit from aesthetic appeal, which often makes the difference between the customer sitting on the fence wondering which gun to buy-- and $2000 leaping out of their pockets because they are smitten with it and they enjoy showing it off in addition to shooting it.

While performance and reliability are an engineering priority, some customers will be willing pay hundreds more for something that is also beautiful, such as AGN member PiterM' s Lelya (pictured).

The high-end guitar companies have been doing this for years, offering hand selected figured woods for hundreds and sometimes thousands more! It turns out there's no shortage of guys that appreciate the finer things that combine beauty and ultimate performance in the same entity.

I got your point. Some people are old fashioned and they accept the cars only in black colour  



Just another point about “plastic”



https://www.truevelocityinc.com



They chosen by the US government for Next Generation Squad Weapon (NGSW). I know that our government are full of idiots, that is true both for USA and Russia, but, anyhow, that means a lot. As far as I understood the future  



Moreover I can tell you for sure that electronic components will come to PCP guns quite soon in huge volumes. We reached the ceiling of the Zharardony system, with the mechanic and springs. Even if we use the new materials (like plastic) we get almost nothing new, that is dead end. No doubt there will be a great number of people, who wouldn’t never accept electronic in guns, like they don’t accept plastic now. OK, no problem they will just have to be left in the past…



By the way, regarding the photo of Piotr’s Lelya. Yes, I got proposals many times, to grade the stocks by its beauty and charge more for more beautiful stocks. Thinking it over I thought that I would rather make some clients happy, when they have the nice stock based on the lottery principle not everything in this world can be measured with the money…

Ed, is this a hint at electronics in an R6 platform? Electronic valve? Electronic trigger? Electronic regulation? EDgun fans want to know

For my use, the R5M .177 STD is the best ever. Combined with 15.5 grain slugs it is just awesome.

 

[JWilson]

The risk I was speaking of was only about customer perception, which is something that can take years to alter, and may or may not be linked to what is engineering excellence. If everyone knew what the engineers at Edgun know, their perception of such things as plastic triggers would likely be different.

In reality though, what appeals to customers can be as much art as science, and even a device such as an airgun can benefit from aesthetic appeal, which often makes the difference between the customer sitting on the fence wondering which gun to buy-- and $2000 leaping out of their pockets because they are smitten with it and they enjoy showing it off in addition to shooting it.

While performance and reliability are an engineering priority, some customers will be willing pay hundreds more for something that is also beautiful, such as AGN member PiterM' s Lelya (pictured).

The high-end guitar companies have been doing this for years, offering hand selected figured woods for hundreds and sometimes thousands more! It turns out there's no shortage of guys that appreciate the finer things that combine beauty and ultimate performance in the same entity.

I got your point. Some people are old fashioned and they accept the cars only in black colour  



Just another point about “plastic”



https://www.truevelocityinc.com



They chosen by the US government for Next Generation Squad Weapon (NGSW). I know that our government are full of idiots, that is true both for USA and Russia, but, anyhow, that means a lot. As far as I understood the future  



Moreover I can tell you for sure that electronic components will come to PCP guns quite soon in huge volumes. We reached the ceiling of the Zharardony system, with the mechanic and springs. Even if we use the new materials (like plastic) we get almost nothing new, that is dead end. No doubt there will be a great number of people, who wouldn’t never accept electronic in guns, like they don’t accept plastic now. OK, no problem they will just have to be left in the past…



By the way, regarding the photo of Piotr’s Lelya. Yes, I got proposals many times, to grade the stocks by its beauty and charge more for more beautiful stocks. Thinking it over I thought that I would rather make some clients happy, when they have the nice stock based on the lottery principle not everything in this world can be measured with the money…

Ed, is this a hint at electronics in an R6 platform? Electronic valve? Electronic trigger? Electronic regulation? EDgun fans want to know

For my use, the R5M .177 STD is the best ever. Combined with 15.5 grain slugs it is just awesome.

IOT integration to temp and barometric pressures to maintain consistent ballistic solutions between velocity regulation and optical POA would be really cool too Digital connection from rifle to scope and smartphone is coming I think.

 

[TarheelScott]

ghost

Just a suggestion here you can ignore or not lol. What about a live trap ,cage, set with dog food or some bait that keeps well inside these areas where it is questionable for safety if you shoot. I have used them in the past along with dog proof foothold spring traps as well. Did you ever make a rabbitgum or box trap outta wood when you were a kid I used too cut an apple and smear it all around and put the pieces inside haha? I caught possums , coons , rabbits , skunks, cats etc.

My close quarters, is when they get in my garage or shed. And my back stop will be my garage door, walls, windows, mower, paint cans, gas cans. So I prefer no pass through, but a lot of internal damage. Do you think the 30 would pass through ? Do you think the 25 would pass through ? I know a 177 does not, in fact they don’t even faze them damn things.

Just an idea 

Yes I have been trapping them, 7 in two weeks period of time. But seems as though they have wised up to the trapping. I get pictures of them ( trail cam) coming to the trap but they won’t enter it now. I have removed the trap, going to wait a few weeks ( not sure how long of memory span they have) then I will set it in a new location. Marshmallows and moon pies seem to work best, cat food, dog food I have not caught any with. I try changing the bait up also. Trapping has cut down on the number of them, but it seems as you remove some, new ones move in. Or maybe they are just passing through, but they torment the crap out of my dog. Make a mess in my garage ( try and keep the doors shut) when a door is left open to long in the evening. We have neighbors that poor a ton of peanuts, hazel nuts, bird seed out for the squirrels and birds and I think that is why I have so many. They are on my roof, trees , fence , sheds , under my deck, its crazy some nights. I caught a really big one in the trap one night and there were at least 7-8 more, like trying to get him out of it. They drug the trap with him in it down my drive way.

Oh my Lions and tigers and Bears oh my lol. I literally crack up when you said they tried to break out there friend by moving him down the driveway  . I am sorry to here it is so bad now I understand the urgency . They love the cracked corn and whole kernel at my dear feeders of course and yes marshmallows is what i use in the foothold traps that are spring loaded. Your case sounds urgent I guess just go all yosomite sam and blast all those rascals. lol the heck with the elmer fud haha. Seriously tho they do get smart to the traps and avoid them after a while . relocate and camouflage a lil maybe you can get lucky. I am sorry wish I could help. If it were me I would go .30 cal and head shots even if I had to camp in the rafters on plywood and wait up for them on the weekends.