Gamo Swarm Fusion G2 10X GEN2 - New purchase, I have a few questions

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Thanks for the update. I'm still trying to find the best pellet. I can only get about 20 yds in my yard, but it's nice just to walk out the door and shoot a little whenever I want. Like you I go to my gun club for other stuff. I don't want to go the pcp route mainly for all the other stuff that you end up getting beside the gun. I have started looking at nicer air rifles though. The Weirauch models are really nice. You might check them out if you don't go whole hog for the pcp route. Good luck.
 
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All this is just IMO... buuuuut..... :) At 20-yards, any pellet that isn't junk or defective will be about the same. Crosman and Daisy make great inexpensive pellets for #backyardplinking. JSB, RWS, and H&N for more consistency and quality of pellets. 

I just bench-tested these recently, and all shot close enough to call the same. Sub-1" at 25-yards. In a break-barrel. (.177 and .22)

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Now, if it were the Olympics, and going for 10.9s off-hand, 60 shots in a row, there-in lies the need to spend $40 for a hand-picked box of 100.

Otherwise, meh, pick up some Crosman or Daisy ammo. Wadcutters for shorter distances (10-yards or so) and clean holes, and round/hollow for better accuracy further out.


 
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I'm a 1000 yard Camp Perry shooter, CMP instructor, military trained sniper, etc., etc., etc., blah, blah, blah. Happens often, always the same. Powder burner shooters that thought they were "all that AND a bag of chips"........and come to find out they weren't. Shoot a springer and walk away with their tails tucked between their legs. Makes me smile just thinkin' about it.

I'm retired, have a 50 yard indoor, members only range. Anytime you'd care to come, I'll show you what a springer can do in the right hands. No Camp Perry BS, no powder burner excuses, let's see what's what and who, how, and why. And I'll buy you lunch when we're done.

The ball is in your court.
 
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uglymike, I hear you loud and clear and I believe you. In the right hands, and with the proper technique I'm sure you can make the Gamo Fusion G2 sing. But I guess that's the point I was trying to make. Sure, a 1,000 yard shooter, military trained sniper, instructor, would shoot the pants off of most all of us shooters that go to the gun range once in a while. And although competing with someone of your skill would be a joke for me to even try, I do believe I'm a pretty good shot with all my powder burners. At least in my own eyes, right?

There's a variety of skill levels and even a variety of dedication in any sport. I'll probably get chastised for saying this, but I'm not really interested in learning how to shoot all over again, just to get really good with a break barrel. And to make it worse, I'm not even dedicated enough to spend money on a decent break barrel. I'm expecting the accuracy I get shooting an AR-15 with a Vortex scope from a $250 air rifle. Doesn't sound logical.

However, from everything I've read, the pcp rifles seem to be closer related to 'powder burners' from a shoot-ability standpoint. Unfortunately, I don't have the luxury of being military trained (thank you for your service, by the way), nor am I able to spend hours on a regular basis to just leave the family and go shoot. Now I sound like I whining. (Maybe I am). :)

To that point, I'm going to get a PCP once I settle on which one to buy, and see what happens. If I'm still walking away with my tail between my legs, I'll update everyone.

And for lunch, are we talking about something on the grill, or just a cold sandwich? :)
 
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uglymike, I hear you loud and clear and I believe you. In the right hands, and with the proper technique I'm sure you can make the Gamo Fusion G2 sing. But I guess that's the point I was trying to make. Sure, a 1,000 yard shooter, military trained sniper, instructor, would shoot the pants off of most all of us shooters that go to the gun range once in a while. And although competing with someone of your skill would be a joke for me to even try, I do believe I'm a pretty good shot with all my powder burners. At least in my own eyes, right?

There's a variety of skill levels and even a variety of dedication in any sport. I'll probably get chastised for saying this, but I'm not really interested in learning how to shoot all over again, just to get really good with a break barrel. And to make it worse, I'm not even dedicated enough to spend money on a decent break barrel. I'm expecting the accuracy I get shooting an AR-15 with a Vortex scope from a $250 air rifle. Doesn't sound logical.

However, from everything I've read, the pcp rifles seem to be closer related to 'powder burners' from a shoot-ability standpoint. Unfortunately, I don't have the luxury of being military trained (thank you for your service, by the way), nor am I able to spend hours on a regular basis to just leave the family and go shoot. Now I sound like I whining. (Maybe I am). :)

To that point, I'm going to get a PCP once I settle on which one to buy, and see what happens. If I'm still walking away with my tail between my legs, I'll update everyone.

And for lunch, are we talking about something on the grill, or just a cold sandwich? :)
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The military, Camp Perry thing was myself being a smart ass. I've seen all kinds of "patting yourself on the back" posts from people complaining about springers. If the wind is down when you get here, we'll start with paintballs off golf tees from 25-50 meters bench rested. I'll let you have your choice of my LGVs to shoot, I'll take the other. I just put a couple BIG soybean/corn fed white tail does in the freezer. You like backstraps?
 
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There will always be those who tell you they routinely hit paint balls at 50 yards with their break barrel spring rifle. TBH they are as full of it as the people who tell you they are a Camp Perry shooter or a military sniper. Indoors a really good springer shooting a good quality pellet that can hold every shot on a dime (PAINT BALL) from a bench at 50 yards is rare. If you find one hold on to it and it will most likely be an HW, FWB, or TX200, maybe a high end Beeman. It probably won't be a Gamo. It almost certainly will not be a springer that feeds from a magazine. Take that outdoors and I'll lay even odds AGAINST every pellet out of any springer and any shooter at that distance that he won't hit that .69" (17mm) circle and make money ninety five out of a hundred days. So take all claims with a grain of salt.

That's reality.

Ten Dimes Challenge (reality check)

That said, one has to ask themselves how much they expect from their rifle. If your still interested in getting a spring rifle that will give your shooting skills a workout perhaps you should look into the brands I mentioned above. The Walthers also have a pretty good reputation. I'm partial to Diana and BSA rifles and they do pretty good for me.

The "myth" of the "artillery hold" has a large following in the airgun community. That is more because it is easier to hold the rifle consistently when you let it float in your hands or on the rest.  It is still all about having a truly consistent shooting style.  If you do that, your spring rifle should shoot well when certain other criteria are met.

So what are those? Well find a good pellet. Spend the money on the ones that are most commonly used in field target. They are H&N FTT and the JSB line of round nosed pellets. If you can get them in specific head sizes, test out a tin of each size. You will find a pellet your rifle "likes". When you do, buy a sleeve of them.

Screws... On your springer you need to snug them down and loc-tight them once you feel like you have things sorted. Meanwhile check them before shooting each day AND DONT OVER TIGHTEN THEM. Just keep them snug. I think if you used a torque wrench in your shop that would be a good place to apply it. It is all about consistency with spring rifles.

Power level is another consideration. TBK round nosed pellets just shoot better in the 800 to 900 FPS range and flat nosed shoot better in the 500 to 650ish range. It's a function of their form factor. So when selecting a pellet stick with a middle weight pellet in a rifle that is going to shoot it at those velocities. In a .177 springer you are talking about 12 to 15 fpe. In a .22 you are taking about 15 to 18 fpe. Lower energies will give you a loopy trajectory but higher energies will give you more erratic pellet performance. The scientific reason for this is called Parasitic_drag and happens when the vorticies that form behind the pellet disconnect from the skirt. Each time one of them does that it "bumps" the pellet at the spot where it lets go. That induces a slight tilt and a certain randomness in point of impact. Bob Sterne over at Airgun Guild could tell you more about that I expect. Pretty smart gut that one. As an aside, this is the main reason that paint balls are so inaccurate. They don't weigh anything and those "little tornadoes" they make going through the air push them all around.

You've heard about springer rated scopes and those stories are true. Be sure your scope is made to take that "forward" recoil a springer generates. The SWFA line is a good one for price/performance although my UTGs have generally served well and they are quite inexpensive but I'm not really a competitor. I've got a Hawk on this rifle and I like it ..

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/new-personal-best-d430l/

Now that little rifle WILL hold a paint ball at 50 yards indoors with the right pellets and an exceptionally good marksman, but only just. There are a few but not many that will do better.

Have a hard look at the Diana model 34 in .177 ... I think you'll find it does what you and your son want.
 
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