I love my pcp but want a gas ram to shoot in hft. I want a gas ram as I shoot year round and have heard of springers not being as reliable in the cold. Anyways I am looking for suggestions. I currently shoot 22 cal. and want to stay with it. USA made is always top of the list but in today's world near impossible, British and German made a close second.
Gas ram suggestion?
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I think what you are looking for is a Diana 340 Ntec. On the other hand many of us still shoot with real coil springs in the Winter, as long as the gun isn't overloaded with heavy grease and spring tar.
The D340 should have a power level around 17 FPE in .22 with a smooth and snappy shot cycle. (The fore grip on the stocks made in 2019 will also give an advantage on standing and kneeling shots.)
Second pick in .22 would be a Sig ASP20 that will be right at the power limit.
Don't buy a D350 for $20 cheaper thinking it's the same as a D340. Most of the guys who buy a 350 come on here and post what a great deal the 350 was. A week later they post the 350 is shooting too hot and jumpy to shoot well.
The D340 should have a power level around 17 FPE in .22 with a smooth and snappy shot cycle. (The fore grip on the stocks made in 2019 will also give an advantage on standing and kneeling shots.)
Second pick in .22 would be a Sig ASP20 that will be right at the power limit.
Don't buy a D350 for $20 cheaper thinking it's the same as a D340. Most of the guys who buy a 350 come on here and post what a great deal the 350 was. A week later they post the 350 is shooting too hot and jumpy to shoot well.
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I agree with Eddie. I have a Diana 340 N-tec Luxus. Luxus means walnut stock. Mine is exceptional curley figured. It's really accurate. Best of my breakbarrel collection.
T O 6 trigger is actually better than previous T O 6. Hector Media has posted about this.
Adjust to your perfect trigger is easily done. Stock screws require attention or lock tight.
T O 6 trigger is actually better than previous T O 6. Hector Media has posted about this.
Adjust to your perfect trigger is easily done. Stock screws require attention or lock tight.
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I believe that the problem with springers in winter verses summer is not the steel spring or gas spring, but the piston seal. The seals are usually made of polyurethane and change size slightly with temperature. So the friction and sealing ability will vary.
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As far as I know, the gas ram and coil springers all use the same piston and seal within a brand, with the exception of the D34 that uses the same seal, but a different piston/trigger group in the current version. The D34 being released this Winter will have the Ntec piston and seal and droop adjustment.
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I have:
umarex ruger airhawk elite II nitro piston .177
I bought:
Hatsan 95 springer .22
I will let you know
when I get the latter circa Dec 7th
Son went Crosman Vantage NP
I like the airhawk. Had a bad day yesterday. Windy.
umarex ruger airhawk elite II nitro piston .177
I bought:
Hatsan 95 springer .22
I will let you know
when I get the latter circa Dec 7th
Son went Crosman Vantage NP
I like the airhawk. Had a bad day yesterday. Windy.
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Screw gas piston rifles get one with a spring. Much better. Gas pistons are a bunch of marketing hype. Easy to prove. If gas piston was better why is there nobody using them for FT? Maybe occasionally on a local level but look at big matches here and the rest of the world. If there is one thing I have learned about FT is that people will spend a crazy amount of money, me included, for an edge. Well I am here to tell you nobody finds a gas piston as an edge.
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They tested them on American Airgunner putting them in a deep freezer. The gas ram was more sensitive to temperature change than the springer.
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Brazos - "nobody using them for FT"? I wouldn't go that far. But in general, you are correct. I used a gas ram springer at the 2012 FT Nationals for 1st place in Hunter Piston.
c_m_shooter - They are definitely more temperature sensitive then a well tuned piston gun with a wire spring. I had a temperature strip on my gas ram FT rifle. I had charted the poi changes with temperature and used that chart to good effect. Not long after that I switched back to a wire spring in that same gun. Though I still like gas rams, I prefer wire springs in my FT piston guns.
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I personally LOVE my gas ram guns, BUT they are all the externally adjustable Theoben or HW90/RX types. For me the external adjustability is the best thing about them. I can have the same gun tuned for 6 FPE to shoot all winter in the garage as practice and in a couple of minutes have it set for sub 12 FT or 15 FPE for hunting. I think the thing that lets down most of the gas ram guns is not the technology but the implementation. If more high-quality guns were made with high-quality rams I believe you would see a swing in directions. The speed of the lock time and lack of vibration are key drivers.
The coiled spring is similar to the pushrod V-8, it is not that it is the best technology it is the many years of incremental refinement that have made them so good today.
The coiled spring is similar to the pushrod V-8, it is not that it is the best technology it is the many years of incremental refinement that have made them so good today.
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