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The H&N Field Target Trophy 14.66 pellets are shooting almost as well as, to sometimes better than, the almost double the price JSB Jumbo Heavy 18.1x grains. The CPHPs and the H&Ns hit very close to the same impact point at 35 yards as they do at 15 yards which is not the case with the JSBs. The CPHP's are shooting well with the prerequisite flyer every now and then for less "serious" work and for the grandkids. Meisterkugelns were pretty crazy in how they performed shot from the magazine vs. single shot. The H&Ns seem to be ideal for this gun for what I will be using it for with the CPHPs a close second for half again the price, so I bought a bunch today at 2.4 cents a shot to get me through summer and fall. I already have 10K+ CPHPS.

This group below is 30 rounds at 15 yards from a rest, single shot fed, 16x scope, indoors. Pressure from from 250 BAR/3625 PSI down to very close to the regulator pressure of 1900 PSI showing on the built in gauge. The flyer was about shot number 15.

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Below are some examples of the 7 shot groups, fed from the magazine, also at 15 yards from a rest, 16x scope. Top to bottom H&N Field Target Trophy 14.66 gr, JSB Heavy 18.1 grain and lastly CPHPs. All straight out of the tins.

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And a few other 7 shot groups at 15y showing hand fed vs mag fed.

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Meisterkugeln Hand fed vs Mag Fed 7 shots @ 15 yards from a rest. The Meisters do NOT do well from the magazine. Very rough chambering but they shoot great single fed!

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The next two are CPHPs at 35 yards standing with a TriggerStick tripod with a yoke on it. 3 shots and 7 shots.

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I couldn't believe that things worked out the way I had envisioned it... that almost never happens.
The only addition I had to make was to buy a 3/8OD x 1/4ID bronze bearing sleeve at the local hardware store. I had planned on a nylon bushing, but nothing they had was the right size and the bronze was exactly correct, except that I had to cut it down from 1" ~0.8" length. Easy job with a Dremel, and squared it up on my belt sander.

It was imperative to me that the sling be easily detachable. I haven't settled on the length yet, but a little trial and error in the field will fix that.
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I have used the picatinny rail mount sling point on other rifles, but I was afraid to use it on the Notos since the rail is plastic and not really super solid. I hope it holds up for you.
 
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I have used the picatinny rail mount sling point on other rifles, but I was afraid to use it on the Notos since the rail is plastic and not really super solid. I hope it holds up for you.
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That is also why I decided against mounting a sling to the plastic Pic rail. That is the one thing I really do not like about the Notos, wishing it was aluminum. At least it isn't a chopped up, modified 11mm dovetail made of plastic like the Jet! When I get my 3D printer, one of the first things I am going to make is a clamp on block for the air cylinder that has provisions for a sling stud of some kind plus I will screw an aluminum Arca camera plate directly to it for a bipod or tripod use as well as in my Caldwell Precision rest. Having something besides the round air cylinder to clamp to helps to align it right and hold it in place better.

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While typing this post I remembered I had some low profile UTG Picatinny risers on hand that happend to fit perfectly. This solves several things for me.
  • Raising the scope up which was needed, without having to give up the Burris Signature Zee rings which are not available in higher profile,
  • Providing a solid ring mounting surface that won't degrade and deform like a plastic Pic rail after repeated scope swaps, which I tend to do quite often.
  • Giving a much more secure mounting point for a picatinny rail push button QD sling mount, red dot or other goodies.
  • Increasing access to the magazine slot for a CARM mag and to the cocking lever even when the parallax wheel is turned to a spot where it hangs down in the way of the lever and mag.
The scope alignment is now higher which for me is preferred as well since I like a heads up hold on the stock.

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With everything on it currently the weight is 6 lbs 2 ounces including a magazine and the fill probe. The extra weight makes it easier for me to hold steady when standing but still not too heavy to put in my backpack. I can switch back quickly to a just over 4 pound gun with a micro red dot on it in less than 5 minutes.
 
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Looks good! So the bronze bushing is used on the right side of the rear QD connector, filling the large diameter hole in the stock? Was the nut that came with the threaded pushbutton QD part large enough to hold it all in the opening or did you need to add a washer on the right side?
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The nut is all I used. It’s a nylock nut. Remember, it’s not just pressing on the metal sleeve in the stock with a lot of slop around the screw shank, the bearing sleeve is giving a solid seat for the nut and support for the shank.
 
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I have used the picatinny rail mount sling point on other rifles, but I was afraid to use it on the Notos since the rail is plastic and not really super solid. I hope it holds up for you.
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Considered it, but I’m not running three gun matches or mountain hunting, so I’m hopeful it will not be a problem.
 
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The nut is all I used. It’s a nylock nut. Remember, it’s not just pressing on the metal sleeve in the stock with a lot of slop around the screw shank, the bearing sleeve is giving a solid seat for the nut and support for the shank.
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Good point. even with just a millimeter of overlap it isn't going anywhere with that steel liner.
 
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That is also why I decided against mounting a sling to the plastic Pic rail. That is the one thing I really do not like about the Notos, wishing it was aluminum. At least it isn't a chopped up, modified 11mm dovetail made of plastic like the Jet! When I get my 3D printer, one of the first things I am going to make is a clamp on block for the air cylinder that has provisions for a sling stud of some kind plus I will screw an aluminum Arca camera plate directly to it for a bipod or tripod use as well as in my Caldwell Precision rest. Having something besides the round air cylinder to clamp to helps to align it right and hold it in place better.

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My goal is to keep this Notos as compact as possible. As long as the pic rail sling mount doesn’t cause a problem, I think I’ve got what I want. Actually, the red dot and laser are more than I had planned, but I was having fun. Not sure I’ll keep both. Either will do the short range job. As soon as I get my second cataract done, I’ll see which works best.

Definitely don’t want things clamped to the air tube. That looks like a sure recipe to get tangled up on … everything. Definitely would interfere with shooting off my tripod. Different strokes.
 
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My goal is to keep this Notos as compact as possible. As long as the pic rail sling mount doesn’t cause a problem, I think I’ve got what I want. Actually, the red dot and laser are more than I had planned, but I was having fun. Not sure I’ll keep both. Either will do the short range job. As soon as I get my second cataract done, I’ll see which works best.

Definitely don’t want things clamped to the air tube. That looks like a sure recipe to get tangled up on … everything. Definitely would interfere with shooting off my tripod. Different strokes.
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Yup. More than one way to skin that proverbial cat.

The clamped on Arca rail won't always be on there. When I am hiking it would not. I like to shoot offhand, from a bipod FT style with a Trigger Stick tripod and also a heavier camera tripod. With the Arca plate I can instantly clamp it in the tripod Arca clamp and be almost as steady as off a table using the Trigger Stick tripod under the stock. I have shot sub 1/2 inch groups that way at 35 yards with the Notos. Off a yoke where the gun is just resting on the yoke my groups are 3-5 times larger. I have never had any problems with an arca plate on a gun, mounted similar to image I created, carrying it with a sling.
 
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Clazy said:
Lots of good ideas for slings here. I’m still pondering. I don’t really like the 3-12x32 bug buster I put on. I have a couple on rugers that I like, but noton Notos. QD rings don’t feel right, and it doesn’t seem to span the picatinny split rails harmoniously either. I just got it this week so I’m just getting dialed in.
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I had a 3-9 Bugbuster on this one for a while. The factory rings are too fat for my liking and went with Burris Signature Zee rings. It now has a 30mm tube 4-16x44 "Swat" which is much more clear than the Bugbuster with a nice etched glass reticle. With the higher mounting I don't need the cutout on the side focus wheel so I will get another one for this install, saving the cut one for low mounting situations. They are pretty cheap which is nice.

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I have been leaving the stock attached without any screws since it fit pretty tight at first, but it is getting more loose now with removal / installation for when I want it more compact in a case or backpack. Now concerned about the stock slipping off when not expected, I ended up putting one screw into the grip just in case the stock came loose during use. I found an easy way to store the correct hex key in the end of the stock by drilling a hole that was a snug fit so I can slip the wrench in and out with just my thumb and finger. No need to put the screw in for a quick out of the pack shot then back in the pack, but if carrying on a sling, it is a necessity. I store the screw in the threaded top left hole on the grip - the same place I install it to secure the stock. I used number drills to get the hole so it held the hex key firmly but loose enough to be able to get it out without any kind of a tool. The tube is hollow on the end, unlike AR style tubes, so the key floats in the opening.

As the hole gets worn and more loose, a bit of Vibra-Tite VC3 painted on the contact points between the hex wrench and the stock, keeps int in place while hiking and can be renewed as needed.

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Clazy said:
Thanks for the tips Geezerhood. When I get a chance I’ll look at one of those scopes. I have a few leftovers in the safe Im gonna try just for grins. Im looking at an AvengeX tactical .25 next. Sure hope the Notos expands its offerings. Love 6lbs in the field. Recently retired and I like backyard plinking.
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You are welcome!
 
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I couldn't believe that things worked out the way I had envisioned it... that almost never happens.
The only addition I had to make was to buy a 3/8OD x 1/4ID bronze bearing sleeve at the local hardware store. I had planned on a nylon bushing, but nothing they had was the right size and the bronze was exactly correct, except that I had to cut it down from 1" ~0.8" length. Easy job with a Dremel, and squared it up on my belt sander.

It was imperative to me that the sling be easily detachable. I haven't settled on the length yet, but a little trial and error in the field will fix that.
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This stock QD bolt may be what I do, thank you for the post. I cannot express how dumbfounded I am at the fact of the Notos stock having TWO steel-tube inserts of perfect diameter for the push-button QD attachments but both lacking the inner steel race to accept LOCKING of the QD... It just baffles me! If they are intended to be cosmetic, why the steel tube? I took a Dremel round diamond-coated bit and tried hand-grinding a race but gave up after far too long as I seemed to be getting nowhere. So much frustration at the manufacturer just teasing us like that.
 
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This stock QD bolt may be what I do, thank you for the post. I cannot express how dumbfounded I am at the fact of the Notos stock having TWO steel-tube inserts of perfect diameter for the push-button QD attachments but both lacking the inner steel race to accept LOCKING of the QD... It just baffles me! If they are intended to be cosmetic, why the steel tube? I took a Dremel round diamond-coated bit and tried hand-grinding a race but gave up after far too long as I seemed to be getting nowhere. So much frustration at the manufacturer just teasing us like that.
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Still using the same setup with no issues. I did eliminate the red dot and kept the laser.
 
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