Brocock/BRK Ghosted before Halloween

[cavedweller]

Busy day with airguns. Spent 3 hours with a Skout epoch then got to play with my new Brocock Ghost Carbine.177. Mounted a Nightforce NX8 on it with a big Rowan parallax wheel setup with StrelokPro and verified dope yard by yard. Very impressed with Derrick Walls trigger work! @ tenacious airguns dot com. Bullpup platforms can be difficult for FT because too often the center of barrel to center of scope is excessive and difficult to get a good eyebox. Nonetheless- success!
11 lbs of awesomeness.

 

[spinj]

Looks like the current batches of Ghosts have black trigger shoes instead of the unpainted, polished aluminum ones on the previous batches.

 

[cavedweller]

Looks like the current batches of Ghosts have black trigger shoes instead of the unpainted, polished aluminum ones on the previous ones.

 

[Michael]

Nice! Derrick has the magic touch for sure. Good looking combo.

 

[MysticalDragon]

I see many running the shorter carbine barrels in the 177. Often with a mod on the front. Whats the benefit to them?

 

[Franklink]

I see many running the shorter carbine barrels in the 177. Often with a mod on the front. Whats the benefit to them?

Ghost Carbine barrels are 17" and 12 land and groove rifling.

Ghost HP barrels are 23 inches and polygonal rifled.

The ONLY benefit to the shorter barrel is that the gun is overall shorter.

Based on mostly anecdotal, but also some sorta scientific comparisons, pellets fired from a polygonal rifled barrel will USUALLY fight the wind better than one fired from 12 land and groove rifled barrels.

 

[MysticalDragon]

Ghost Carbine barrels are 17" and 12 land and groove rifling.

Ghost HP barrels are 23 inches and polygonal rifled.

The ONLY benefit to the shorter barrel is that the gun is overall shorter.

Based on mostly anecdotal, but also some sorta scientific comparisons, pellets fired from a polygonal rifled barrel will USUALLY fight the wind better than one fired from 12 land and groove rifled barrels.

Thank you again for the great info. I wish there was a way to repay how helpful youve been and how much knowledge and information you've shared.

 

[cavedweller]

I see many running the shorter carbine barrels in the 177. Often with a mod on the front. Whats the benefit to them?

QUIET - in the suburbs is essential

 

[cavedweller]

Thank you again for the great info. I wish there was a way to repay how helpful youve been and how much knowledge and information you've shared.

@Franklink deserves a go fund me page! wealth of knowledge.

 

[MysticalDragon]

QUIET - in the suburbs is essential

for sure. . One reason I went with the HP was for the longer shrouded barrel then add a moderator to that. I wanted it to be as quiet as possible and even got a DB meter to compare them. Yes I know its not fully accurate but at least I will be able to measure to compare. Initially i have a donny fl but looking for another moderator for 177. I'm just in the city limits with a large field out back so was concerned about it. Turns out the neighbor was shooting a 22 yesterday so not as concerned cept from other neighbors.

 

[MysticalDragon]

@Franklink deserves a go fund me page! wealth of knowledge.

If he had a gofundme business etc I would certainly be sending all I could his way. I'm the type to show my appreciation and try not to take things like that for granted. He's given so much back to this community. As a newbie, I know i have benefitted so much from his help, insights and advice. It was easy to tell early on that he is one of the guys to really pay attention to and listen to.

The guy that let me borrow his S510 for hft that got me hooked refused anything for it. I still slipped some cash in his case. Then he's been answering many questions etc, taking alot of time to give advice and help. I told him I owe him lunch or a 12 pack. Hes' refused it but I'll make it happen as its only fair. I refuse to impose on others and dont want to seem like a mooch.

 

[Franklink]

If he had a gofundme business etc I would certainly be sending all I could his way. I'm the type to show my appreciation and try not to take things like that for granted. He's given so much back to this community. As a newbie, I know i have benefitted so much from his help, insights and advice. It was easy to tell early on that he is one of the guys to really pay attention to and listen to.

The guy that let me borrow his S510 for hft that got me hooked refused anything for it. I still slipped some cash in his case. Then he's been answering many questions etc, taking alot of time to give advice and help. I told him I owe him lunch or a 12 pack. Hes' refused it but I'll make it happen as its only fair. I refuse to impose on others and dont want to seem like a mooch.

Very kind words.

Much of what I share is knowledge imparted to me by @Arzrover, to the point that lots of my comments are regurgitation of things Ive learned from him. He was my field target mentor when I first got involved and his willingness to share and teach and educate and help left a lasting impression.

Consider my over sharing a "pay it forward" I suppose.

 

[MysticalDragon]

Very kind words.

Much of what I share is knowledge imparted to me by @Arzrover, to the point that lots of my comments are regurgitation of things Ive learned from him. He was my field target mentor when I first got involved and his willingness to share and teach and educate and help left a lasting impression.

Consider my over sharing a "pay it forward" I suppose.

It speaks volumes of your character Sir.

I am sure I am not the only one that has exceptional respect for you. It doesn't come lightly from me.

 

[Pfddi]

@MysticalDragon - I have a 177 Huggett Snipe on my Wolverine R (same family, different mothers!) and I have found it to be exceptionally quiet. I use it regularly in my back yard which is smack in the middle of town and the loudest sound is when the pellet hits the pest! I have to wait for the pest to get in a position so that it is either in my yard or will fall in my yard or I risk exposure! The snipe makes it a bit long, but I'm normally on a tripod for the actual shooting and this the rifle is too heavy (for me) for field toting. I have a 0db 110C on a BRK 22 XR Sniper that is quiet, but not like the Wolverine. It is also usable in the backyard with the power on the lowest 2 settings, but not the high power.

 

[cavedweller]

Ghost Carbine barrels are 17" and 12 land and groove rifling.

Ghost HP barrels are 23 inches and polygonal rifled.

The ONLY benefit to the shorter barrel is that the gun is overall shorter.

Based on mostly anecdotal, but also some sorta scientific comparisons, pellets fired from a polygonal rifled barrel will USUALLY fight the wind better than one fired from 12 land and groove rifled barrels.

@Franklink - accuracy question - is the 23" polygonal option a more accurate option than the carbine?

 

[Franklink]

@Franklink - accuracy question - is the 23" polygonal option a more accurate option than the carbine?

Yes and no....potentially.

Last I heard.....
17inch Ghost barrels (Carbine and Plus) are 12 land and groove rifled.
23inch Ghost barrels (HP) are polygonal rifled.

The 17 inch .177 barrel that came in the Ghost AOA sent me is as accurate as anything I've shot. In Oct of 2022 I used it to score a 47/48 in the Ghost's first field target match anywhere in the world (to my knowledge). There was hardly any wind that day.

I also used it to shoot a match in November of 2022. It scored a 39/48, 4th place out of 9 shooters in Hunter that day. Match high was a 42/48. That was one of my worst showings at a <55yard ft match in 4+ years. It was very windy that day.

Anecdotally, I've seen that sub 20 pellets fired from a polygonal rifled barrel are not "taken for a ride" in the wind as much as sub20 pellets fired from a 12 land and groove rifled barrel. Both can be equally accurate, but the poly-fired pellets need less hold-off to account for wind, making it easier to drop targets in the wind.

There's a relevant saying here, "aggregation of marginal gains." Popularized by Dave Brailsford (Google it), basically, lots of small things accumulate to make a big difference. It seems that we can really see this in equipment heavy competitions, like cycling for Brailsford, or field target for us. Essentially, lots of small things make the difference in winning and losing. And I personally, based on testing a decent # of barrels, have found a polygonal rifled barrel is a small leg up.

So, the shorter .177 barrel on a Ghost isn't less accurate than a 23inch .177 Ghost barrel, but the longer barrel won't need as much hold-off in winds. This has nothing to do with the length, and everything to do with the rifling.

Granted, somebody really gets to know a 12 land and groove rifled barrel, and especially how it behaves in the wind, and they'll still beat a polygonal barrel used by a guy who doesn't put in the time to learn it.

 

[cavedweller]

Yes and no....potentially.

Last I heard.....
17inch Ghost barrels (Carbine and Plus) are 12 land and groove rifled.
23inch Ghost barrels (HP) are polygonal rifled.

The 17 inch .177 barrel that came in the Ghost AOA sent me is as accurate as anything I've shot. In Oct of 2022 I used it to score a 47/48 in the Ghost's first field target match anywhere in the world (to my knowledge). There was hardly any wind that day.

I also used it to shoot a match in November of 2022. It scored a 39/48, 4th place out of 9 shooters in Hunter that day. Match high was a 42/48. That was one of my worst showings at a <55yard ft match in 4+ years. It was very windy that day.

Anecdotally, I've seen that sub 20 pellets fired from a polygonal rifled barrel are not "taken for a ride" in the wind as much as sub20 pellets fired from a 12 land and groove rifled barrel. Both can be equally accurate, but the poly-fired pellets need less hold-off to account for wind, making it easier to drop targets in the wind.

There's a relevant saying here, "aggregation of marginal gains." Popularized by Dave Brailsford (Google it), basically, lots of small things accumulate to make a big difference. It seems that we can really see this in equipment heavy competitions, like cycling for Brailsford, or field target for us. Essentially, lots of small things make the difference in winning and losing. And I personally, based on testing a decent # of barrels, have found a polygonal rifled barrel is a small leg up.

So, the shorter .177 barrel on a Ghost isn't less accurate than a 23inch .177 Ghost barrel, but the longer barrel won't need as much hold-off in winds. This has nothing to do with the length, and everything to do with the rifling.

Granted, somebody really gets to know a 12 land and groove rifled barrel, and especially how it behaves in the wind, and they'll still beat a polygonal barrel used by a guy who doesn't put in the time to learn it.

That’s some golden information right there!