Grease for GX compressor gear drive

A while back we discussed grease used in GX compressors, especially the gear drive. As you may know, I open my compressors fairly often to keep track of the wear and grease migration, and I have begun a trial lube regime.
1) Let's tackle the gear box first. The factory grease is SUPER sticky and thick. Upon opening my compressor in the last few months, I've kept track of what the gears looked like and where the grease migrated to. It was worrisome that every time I opened the gear box the grease was stuck to the walls more than the gears, leaving large sections of the larger gear dry or nearly dry. As long as a good portion is lubed, it will distribute during running. The last time I opened it, (today), it was largely dry, which led me to do some research and make some changes. I cleaned out the old grease in the gear box as best I could without removing the large gear. Using alcohol, screwdrivers and lots of paper towels and elbow grease, it came out largely clean. Research followed looking for an acceptable grease for this gear drive. There are many good choices, and for the moment I chose what was handy. You could use cornhead grease, or any NLGI 00 grease would be very good. 00 grease is thin, almost like honey, and would stay in the bottom of the gear box, being distributed during running. You might have to use some RTV on the gearbox to keep the grease in, but on mine it doesn't leak. I put Shaeffer's 279 moly NLGI 00 grease in mine as a test run for a few weeks for now. I also believe that 00 might just be a bit thin, so I ordered a tub of Renewal Lubricants Food Grade EP NLGI 0 to try next. This is a recommended gear grease, and the NLGI 2 version is what I use in the air side of the compressor, so one grease for everything. I don't see the need for moly in any of the parts of the compressor. In fact you could make the argument that moly is contraindicated for the connecting rod roller bearings.

So, for now, I'll use the Schaeffer's 00 moly.

2) For the air side, piston, rod, etc. I cleaned everything very well. The moly grease used on the wrist pin has been migrating all over the piston and cylinder. So, I decided to use RL #2 on everything. There is nothing here that would indicate that this is not a great choice for this application. Also, it seems the way the moly had migrated into the cylinder, would be a fantastic way to lightly lube the piston, cylinder and seals.


To conclude, one grease, two consistencies [Renewal Lubricants Food Grade EP NLGI #0 and #2] for the entire compressor. I do believe the failures that we've seen in these units involving the gearbox is caused by the grease used at manufacture. It makes sense, that it could conceivably last 3 years or so, and it definitely would not migrate out of the gearbox during shipping, so that's likely why they chose it. It is about an hour's work to clean out the grease in the gearbox, but it is time well spent in my book. You could use all kinds of fancy greases, but there's just nothing here to indicate going crazy. For the gearbox, there are two avenues of thinking. One is a super tacky grease to adhere to the gears, and it certainly would work but it also will eventually migrate off the gears with use. It takes time, but it happens. The other is a thinner gearbox grease, that will flow back to the bottom of the gearbox and any time the compressor runs, it will distribute itself all over the gears. To me this is a much better long term solution, but it is obvious that the compressor could not be shipped this way as leakage would be almost guaranteed.
 
A while back we discussed grease used in GX compressors, especially the gear drive. As you may know, I open my compressors fairly often to keep track of the wear and grease migration, and I have begun a trial lube regime.
1) Let's tackle the gear box first. The factory grease is SUPER sticky and thick. Upon opening my compressor in the last few months, I've kept track of what the gears looked like and where the grease migrated to. It was worrisome that every time I opened the gear box the grease was stuck to the walls more than the gears, leaving large sections of the larger gear dry or nearly dry. As long as a good portion is lubed, it will distribute during running. The last time I opened it, (today), it was largely dry, which led me to do some research and make some changes. I cleaned out the old grease in the gear box as best I could without removing the large gear. Using alcohol, screwdrivers and lots of paper towels and elbow grease, it came out largely clean. Research followed looking for an acceptable grease for this gear drive. There are many good choices, and for the moment I chose what was handy. You could use cornhead grease, or any NLGI 00 grease would be very good. 00 grease is thin, almost like honey, and would stay in the bottom of the gear box, being distributed during running. You might have to use some RTV on the gearbox to keep the grease in, but on mine it doesn't leak. I put Shaeffer's 279 moly NLGI 00 grease in mine as a test run for a few weeks for now. I also believe that 00 might just be a bit thin, so I ordered a tub of Renewal Lubricants Food Grade EP NLGI 0 to try next. This is a recommended gear grease, and the NLGI 2 version is what I use in the air side of the compressor, so one grease for everything. I don't see the need for moly in any of the parts of the compressor. In fact you could make the argument that moly is contraindicated for the connecting rod roller bearings.

So, for now, I'll use the Schaeffer's 00 moly.

2) For the air side, piston, rod, etc. I cleaned everything very well. The moly grease used on the wrist pin has been migrating all over the piston and cylinder. So, I decided to use RL #2 on everything. There is nothing here that would indicate that this is not a great choice for this application. Also, it seems the way the moly had migrated into the cylinder, would be a fantastic way to lightly lube the piston, cylinder and seals.


To conclude, one grease, two consistencies [Renewal Lubricants Food Grade EP NLGI #0 and #2] for the entire compressor. I do believe the failures that we've seen in these units involving the gearbox is caused by the grease used at manufacture. It makes sense, that it could conceivably last 3 years or so, and it definitely would not migrate out of the gearbox during shipping, so that's likely why they chose it. It is about an hour's work to clean out the grease in the gearbox, but it is time well spent in my book. You could use all kinds of fancy greases, but there's just nothing here to indicate going crazy. For the gearbox, there are two avenues of thinking. One is a super tacky grease to adhere to the gears, and it certainly would work but it also will eventually migrate off the gears with use. It takes time, but it happens. The other is a thinner gearbox grease, that will flow back to the bottom of the gearbox and any time the compressor runs, it will distribute itself all over the gears. To me this is a much better long term solution, but it is obvious that the compressor could not be shipped this way as leakage would be almost guaranteed.
How many failures have you seen?
I'm aware of three cs2 with teeth broke off (usually a case of starting under pressure) one cs2 that had actual worn gears.

I have not yet seen a cs4 with worn or broken gears. I do know of a local Omega (same compressor basically as the cs4) with over 320 hours and one cylinder rebuild, case never opened.

I would really like to see or know of first hand multiple gear issues strictly from wear... not ones broke from from restarting with 1000's of pounds of pressure in them at the restart (even though they actually can survive that abuse a few times)

The factory grease is very sticky and works well as so many can attest to. Engineers spend thousands of dollars and lots of hours testing all options available.

But, if there are a lot of low hour GX compressors showing wear, I would truly like to see them.
 
I've seen a few gear failures on youtube, a few mentioned on the forums, and lots of reported general failures. I do think most of it is ignorance of how to use them.

Aside from that, looking at the gear drive, it's not hard to see the choices made and why. When you open the gearbox and the gears are essentially dry, it's not much of a jump to see how they "could“ fail. One thing is sure, i will find out, through trial and error.
 
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But the geat drive pinion is at 12 oclock, so hopefully it won't get into the motor. I've been running it a few days now and it's time to look at it and see. I'll keep you posted.

Were your gears dry? Did your unit maybe have more grease than mine? , ive posted pics of mine.

This is a trial, not a derinitive cure, not yet.

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My two GX CS2s died because that big gear failed.

I used them most every day, but my gut tells me that factory thick grease is the culprit.

I never tore down and regreased that big gear in my GX CS2s - until they failed. If I own another one, I’d definitely tear down and re-grease at least once per year. I’d be inclined to use a thinner consistency grease - the factory thick grease seems to migrate off the gear.
 
My two GX CS2s died because that big gear failed.

I used them most every day, but my gut tells me that factory thick grease is the culprit.

I never tore down and regreased that big gear in my GX CS2s - until they failed. If I own another one, I’d definitely tear down and re-grease at least once per year. I’d be inclined to use a thinner consistency grease - the factory thick grease seems to migrate off the gear.
Those pics were from when it had 5 hours on it.

With an additional 8.3 hrs and Spring coming, I should do a piston relube. Would probably be smart to see how the red bearing grease is holding up too...
 
Those pics were from when it had 5 hours on it.

With an additional 8.3 hrs and Spring coming, I should do a piston relube. Would probably be smart to see how the red bearing grease is holding up too...
From my experience, with their piston guides, I don’t think the pistons require much lube - just a thin coat.

Perhaps some bearing moly grease on the big internal gear though.

Definitely think with regular tear down and lube, you could get 5 years or more from a CS2.
 
A while back we discussed grease used in GX compressors, especially the gear drive. As you may know, I open my compressors fairly often to keep track of the wear and grease migration, and I have begun a trial lube regime.
1) Let's tackle the gear box first. The factory grease is SUPER sticky and thick. Upon opening my compressor in the last few months, I've kept track of what the gears looked like and where the grease migrated to. It was worrisome that every time I opened the gear box the grease was stuck to the walls more than the gears, leaving large sections of the larger gear dry or nearly dry. As long as a good portion is lubed, it will distribute during running. The last time I opened it, (today), it was largely dry, which led me to do some research and make some changes. I cleaned out the old grease in the gear box as best I could without removing the large gear. Using alcohol, screwdrivers and lots of paper towels and elbow grease, it came out largely clean. Research followed looking for an acceptable grease for this gear drive. There are many good choices, and for the moment I chose what was handy. You could use cornhead grease, or any NLGI 00 grease would be very good. 00 grease is thin, almost like honey, and would stay in the bottom of the gear box, being distributed during running. You might have to use some RTV on the gearbox to keep the grease in, but on mine it doesn't leak. I put Shaeffer's 279 moly NLGI 00 grease in mine as a test run for a few weeks for now. I also believe that 00 might just be a bit thin, so I ordered a tub of Renewal Lubricants Food Grade EP NLGI 0 to try next. This is a recommended gear grease, and the NLGI 2 version is what I use in the air side of the compressor, so one grease for everything. I don't see the need for moly in any of the parts of the compressor. In fact you could make the argument that moly is contraindicated for the connecting rod roller bearings.

So, for now, I'll use the Schaeffer's 00 moly.

2) For the air side, piston, rod, etc. I cleaned everything very well. The moly grease used on the wrist pin has been migrating all over the piston and cylinder. So, I decided to use RL #2 on everything. There is nothing here that would indicate that this is not a great choice for this application. Also, it seems the way the moly had migrated into the cylinder, would be a fantastic way to lightly lube the piston, cylinder and seals.


To conclude, one grease, two consistencies [Renewal Lubricants Food Grade EP NLGI #0 and #2] for the entire compressor. I do believe the failures that we've seen in these units involving the gearbox is caused by the grease used at manufacture. It makes sense, that it could conceivably last 3 years or so, and it definitely would not migrate out of the gearbox during shipping, so that's likely why they chose it. It is about an hour's work to clean out the grease in the gearbox, but it is time well spent in my book. You could use all kinds of fancy greases, but there's just nothing here to indicate going crazy. For the gearbox, there are two avenues of thinking. One is a super tacky grease to adhere to the gears, and it certainly would work but it also will eventually migrate off the gears with use. It takes time, but it happens. The other is a thinner gearbox grease, that will flow back to the bottom of the gearbox and any time the compressor runs, it will distribute itself all over the gears. To me this is a much better long term solution, but it is obvious that the compressor could not be shipped this way as leakage would be almost guaranteed.
Nice write up, thanks, wish we had a video tutorial of your work !!
 
With nlgi #0 Shaeffer's 274 moly grease i put in the other day, i opened it and the gears were totally covered, exactly what i was looking for. I did have just a very small amout migrate into the motor bearing area, but not past that. I reduced the amount of grease by about 1/3 and buttoned it back up. I would guess i'm using just over a teaspoon full of grease. This is the grease, IF migration isn't a problem.

If migration turns out to be a problem, then i'll try some tacky grease. I looked at some polyurea grease i have and it is too solid (nlgi 2) and the gears would just creaste a hole in it and no lubing, so tacky is the only other option, as in Lucas Red n Tacky or Blaster xtra tack.
 
I never took mine apart but from this photo I assumed that the motor was enclosed in its on case with just a the shaft and pinon gear sticking out through a bearing. So for grease to get into the motor it would have to pass through the front shaft bearing. But you seem to imply that the motor isn't covered 100% on the front side and the internal are exposed behind the pinion gear. In that case I can see why thick sticky grease was used. If the pinon gear can be removed and a thin plastic shield add to "seal" the motor's internals then thinner grease or, even thick gear oil, may be better.

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I never took mine apart but from this photo I assumed that the motor was enclosed in its on case with just a the shaft and pinon gear sticking out through a bearing. So for grease to get into the motor it would have to pass through the front shaft bearing. But you seem to imply that the motor isn't covered 100% on the front side and the internal are exposed behind the pinion gear. In that case I can see why thick sticky grease was used. If the pinon gear can be removed and a thin plastic shield add to "seal" the motor's internals then thinner grease or, even thick gear oil, may be better.

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Maybe. The motor/gear interface might be completely different too. My pics are of an L2. I'm not sure of exactly what's going on with all the parts in yours. 😃