Hatsan Hatsan .30 cal Carnivore died

[THEKUNK]

I bought this about 4 years ago.
It is a turkish stocked version.
When I tried to cock it the other day, It have no pressure to cock barrel?
It is dead.
Anybody have any suggestions on how to repar?
I sent info to Hatsan USA but I wonder how much that might cost and if it is worth it.
Only put around 500 pellets through it.

 

[Gerry52]

You'll have to explain "no pressure to cock barrel". Sounds like you're talking break barrel but the .30 CARNIVORE I had was a PCP! Do you mean the Hatsan 135, .30 cal? (Probably because it's in "traditional airguns" forum).

 

[Sqwirl57]

Some of those 135s had rebuildable and refillable rams. I'd pop it open and see whet you're dealing with.

 

[Bear-of-Grayling]

The Vortex Ram is dead. I have had a half dozen die in the past few years. I converted them all over to spring. A while back, Hatsan had the conversion kit to a spring for the 135, (spring, receiver cap, spring guide and washers in stock for $39.99. They might still have them. I like the 135 better with the spring. And it won’t poop out in a few years. Probably never as little as I shoot it. But once in while, it’s fun to get out.

 

[THEKUNK]

it is the break barrel

 

[Toxylon]

Vortex gasrams have zero reliability, especially after a longer spell of storage. Coilsprings all the way, for me.

 

[Hateful McNasty]

If the rebuild or serviceable type that you could try a PCP hand pump and hatsan fill probe to re air it up .. may hold pressure for no time , some time , or long time . You kinda figure a PCP pump is 50$ , then a probe $10+/- or hatsan parts new ram $59 , or spring convert of hheres one for that being a .30 40$

It's a darn if you do or don't on anyway you go to fix ..

 

[A.G.R]

They ,the gas ram are rebuildable ..but you need to have some knowledge of how things operate. Not to be rude but ,if your asking, it’s probably something better left to those who know.
5 o rings , metric .. internal and external.
Getting a Hatsan apart is tricky as you will need a dummy pin for the trigger. And a press.

 

[Bear-of-Grayling]

Getting a Hatsan apart is tricky as you will need a dummy pin for the trigger. And a press.

To get it apart, a dummy pin yes. But not a press. With a dead Ram, getting it apart is simple. Installation, is where the press is needed. I know this is what you meant. Just want to clarify for the op. If you want to convert to a spring (I highly recommend) then you will need a heavy duty press. I built this one specifically for the 135. Then it can handle anything else.

 

[A.G.R]

To get it apart, a dummy pin yes. But not a press. With a dead Ram, getting it apart is simple. Installation, is where the press is needed. I know this is what you meant. Just want to clarify for the op. If you want to convert to a spring (I highly recommend) then you will need a heavy duty press. I built this one specifically for the 135. Then it can handle anything else.View attachment 526999View attachment 527000View attachment 527001

Spring or gas ,you will need a press to compress it to assemble.

 

[Bedrock Bob]

Spring or gas ,you will need a press to compress it to assemble.

How far do you have to compress the ram to get the pin in?

My cometa has a bunch of preload but you only have to go 1/4". A compressor jig is nice but definitely not needed.

I know the rifle is a beast. But the OAL of the ram dosent require much compression to assemble does it?

 

[THEKUNK]

SUCCESS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can not believe it worked or should I say I got it to work.
I was going to ship it to Hatsan and let them install it but shipping was $120 at Fedex so Nope !!!!!!!!!
After watching you tube videos by Mike Ellingsworth at least 100 times I finaly did it.
I ordered a spring kit from Hatsan, built a spring compressor and went for it.
I do not have shop tools so I cut the C clamp with a hacksaw for the spring compressor. I used a hand drill to drill 3 holes in the clamp.
When I disassembled the Hatsan 135 and put the spring in it, seemed too long.
Back to the video's, I trimmed the spring length to pretty much be at the end of the barrel.
I cut 2 inches of coil spring off, let me just say cutting a spring without a dremmel or torch is very difficult but a hacksaw and sawsal finally got it done.
I heated up the end off he cut spring using our gas stove flame which worked great. I got the end flat and proceeded to put everything togather.
Sure enough the quatro trigger fell apart. Back to the video's. Those things are like jigsaw puzzles. Plus the pins kept falling out as I went.
I finally got it all back togather. When I tried to cock it the first time it would not catch ?
I almost lost my mind but I pulled the trigger and that must have rest it and it worked, Thank God.
It shoots great.
What a feeling of accomplishment !!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for all the advice and post's guy's !!!!!

 

[Bear-of-Grayling]

When I disassembled the Hatsan 135 and put the spring in it, seemed too long.

Congratulation! It’s not long. It has a lot of preload. It takes a spring compressor with a long throw to get the spring in. You will lose a bit of power by cutting the spring down. I also line the piston with blister pack plastic. Just thick enough to hold the spring in snuggly. This eliminates twang. Good job.

 

[Toxylon]

A H135 mainspring cut that much may drop the ME down to the teens. A chrono would / will tell.

 

[THEKUNK]

My chrono was getting 530 feet per second.
I am just glad it works