Hawke Sidewinder 30SF kinda disappointing

I've been trying out 100 yard shooting with my pellet rifles and having only one 4-16X scope, and normally using something 10x or 12X, I thought the memorial day sales offered a chance to have something with a bit more zoom.

So I ordered the 6.5-20X44 Hawke Sidewinder, and I'm kind of let down. Upon initial examination, I was surprised that the SW was much darker and the eye box much tighter than what I expected. It quickly made me think of testing it head to head with an old Tasco TS Japan 6-24X target scope, and here's the surprising results.

First, the darkness issue. The TS and SW are nearly identical, with an edge, MAYBE going to the TS, but with me switching scopes and looking at the same things at the same distances, and same powers, it's easy to forget nuances of each scope, but I would say the TS and the SW are fairly equal in light gathering abilities. Both also have 44 mm objectives, so it makes sense. It also tells me Tasco used some pretty good lens coatings for the 1990's.

Second, eye box. The TS has a pretty forgiving eye box. I mean by that, it IS a high power scope and all scopes of this magnification are going to be somewhat less forgiving than say a 3-9X, but the TS is easy to use. The SW is much more finicky, but not the worst I've seen. However, it is quite noticeable especially when you have both scopes side by side.

Third, the view. The SW has a funny, I guess you would call it, muddy view. It's clear enough, though not "crystal" clear, and the colors seem muted, but it's ok. It certainly doesn't "pop" out at you. There is noticeable chromatic aberration, with very good edge to edge clarity. Also, there is some flare, or more accurately, washed out areas of bright sunlight reflected on the target. The TS is very well mannered in optical qualities, chromatic aberration is not apparent in any situation, edge to edge is great, flare well controlled, and image quality is much more pleasant than the SW. This scope is, in every way, superior in image quality to the SW.

Fourth, parallax settings on the SW are somewhat off, which is no surprise in any scope, maybe a bit more off than usual. I have probably 10 or so Hawke scopes all Airmax but one Vantage and all are pretty darn close, if not right on. It just surprised me that this more expensive SW was off as much as it was, but I don't hold that against it. As funny as it is, the TS is right on, and that scope is, what? 30 years old maybe!

Using the TS along side the SW, just points to the glaring differences, from a scope that probably cost 1/6th the price of the SW, which adjusted for inflation is probably more like less than half.

Of all the Airmax scopes I have, all handily beat the SW in image quality and light gathering abilities, when set at the same power. I have a 4-16X 30SF Airmax that blows the SW away optically from 6-16X on both scopes. There's no comparison. My compact Airmax 30 3-12X also beats the SW from 6-12X.

I am just pretty bummed at the lack of lenses in the SW. It sure seems the SW range is nothing more than a "dolled up" scope with more features than image quality. I'm trying to see the difference between the H2 lens system of the Airmax and the H5 of the SW range. It sure looks to me like the H2 is superior. I'll tell you one thing, the 30 some odd year old Tasco, though not having all the purdy new features of the SW, sure beats it in image quality and I've used this scope for years and it holds zero well, so it, most likely, will work well on pcp airguns.

The jury is still out on whether the SW goes back or not. It certainly is not what I had expected or hoped for. I'm not saying it's junk, it's not, but it's not head and shoulders better than the Airmax, which it should be.

Before I make a decision on returning it, I'd like to hear anyone's opinion of the SW range of scopes and any scope they would buy in the 6-20 or 6-24 range that would best the SW.
 
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Bummer on the new Hawke scope. I seem to hear varying opinions on them. I have a airmax 4-12x40 that’s pretty decent. The price of those sidewinders you’d expect one heck of a scope(I would atleast). Speaking of the older Japan Tascos, I kinda forgot about those. Some of those are pretty darn good scopes.
Hope things work out with the scope. If nothing else send that sucker back. Tons of scopes in that price range. 🤘💪
 
Imo all Hawke scopes are budget scopes. None of them have great glass or internal hardware, but the prices mostly reflect that. Athlon/Arken/Vortex etc have much better budget options in my book. I bought one Hawke because of their stellar reputation in the air community, but sadly will never buy another. I know there are lots and lots of happy Hawke owners, so maybe its just me lol.
 
I have a Sidewinder 6x24x56. No complaints. But compaired to my Sightron 10x50x60 SVEDs it is not as bright or sharp. But there is also a huge price difference. Before you buy you need to look thru different scopes paying attention to what you see and the differences. I always tell guys spend the biggest portion on your money on the scope not the gun. For shooting off the bench I have found the Sightron Stac 4x20x50 in moa works for me , that's why I have 3 of them and thinking of getting another.
 
I have mounted the SW and shot it on one of my .22 Royales, and will ammend my first impressions slightly.

The scope is pretty clear. It is a bit clearer than a very good Airmax. After much adjusting of the ocular lens and getting parallax properly adjusted, the image quality is somewhat better than my first impressions. If you consider that an Airmax 30 is around $489 and the SW is around $589 give or take a few bucks, then I would have to say that the lenses may well be a bit better and the addition of locking turrets and a elevation window to track turns is worth it. The view is still a bit bland in color, but not bad. I still say the old Tasco is better, in many ways. The eye box, while shooting at 20X is not bad at all, it's no more finicky than most newer scopes in the same power range and I've seen a lot worse. It's not as forgiving as the Tasco, but it's not at all annoying. I'd consider it about right to keep you using the same head position and cheek weld, but I wouldn't want it to be any more picky. One thing I did notice, is that it does have a bit more fore and aft leeway, when mounted and shooting.

Now, as to tracking, this is where the SW shines in spades. I shot at 35 and 50 yards, and tried everyting I could to throw the scope off. Cranking adjustments like crazy, you name it. I did the box test several times at 35 yards, and I will say, I'm impressed. It tracked perfectly no matter what I did. I even shot groups, where I would move between groups with each shot, cranking in the mils and using the same airm point for all, and each of the groups would always turn out to be one hole, and exactly on the mill dot hash mark it was supposted to be! This could well be tied with the best scopes I have, and I have some really good trackers, like SWFA, and Optisan. This is what tipped the scales in the SW's favor and I'll keep it.

So, if you add the perfect tracking, then a $100 premium over the Airmax is well worth it. I guess, if you consider the lenses to be even slightly better, and the added features, and the tracking, the SW is a really good buy. I think, if I had it to do over I'd go with the larger objective SW scopes, but I wanted to keep this as small as possible, and everything is a trade-off. Also, I would bet the 4.5-14X SW would be a very fine scope indeed.
 

I own one Hawke Vantage scope, and haven't ventured beyond that in the brand. I've got scopes from Hawke, Element, Discovery, Vortex. Vector, Redwin, and more.

I bought the hawke specifically for a springer originally. It got used quite a bit on the old over powered springer, and never let go of zero. I use it on a .22LR that will probably be gifted to my son when he's old enough.
 
I've been trying out 100 yard shooting with my pellet rifles and having only one 4-16X scope, and normally using something 10x or 12X, I thought the memorial day sales offered a chance to have something with a bit more zoom.

So I ordered the 6.5-20X44 Hawke Sidewinder, and I'm kind of let down. Upon initial examination, I was surprised that the SW was much darker and the eye box much tighter than what I expected. It quickly made me think of testing it head to head with an old Tasco TS Japan 6-24X target scope, and here's the surprising results.

First, the darkness issue. The TS and SW are nearly identical, with an edge, MAYBE going to the TS, but with me switching scopes and looking at the same things at the same distances, and same powers, it's easy to forget nuances of each scope, but I would say the TS and the SW are fairly equal in light gathering abilities. Both also have 44 mm objectives, so it makes sense. It also tells me Tasco used some pretty good lens coatings for the 1990's.

Second, eye box. The TS has a pretty forgiving eye box. I mean by that, it IS a high power scope and all scopes of this magnification are going to be somewhat less forgiving than say a 3-9X, but the TS is easy to use. The SW is much more finicky, but not the worst I've seen. However, it is quite noticeable especially when you have both scopes side by side.

Third, the view. The SW has a funny, I guess you would call it, muddy view. It's clear enough, though not "crystal" clear, and the colors seem muted, but it's ok. It certainly doesn't "pop" out at you. There is noticeable chromatic aberration, with very good edge to edge clarity. Also, there is some flare, or more accurately, washed out areas of bright sunlight reflected on the target. The TS is very well mannered in optical qualities, chromatic aberration is not apparent in any situation, edge to edge is great, flare well controlled, and image quality is much more pleasant than the SW. This scope is, in every way, superior in image quality to the SW.

Fourth, parallax settings on the SW are somewhat off, which is no surprise in any scope, maybe a bit more off than usual. I have probably 10 or so Hawke scopes all Airmax but one Vantage and all are pretty darn close, if not right on. It just surprised me that this more expensive SW was off as much as it was, but I don't hold that against it. As funny as it is, the TS is right on, and that scope is, what? 30 years old maybe!

Using the TS along side the SW, just points to the glaring differences, from a scope that probably cost 1/6th the price of the SW, which adjusted for inflation is probably more like less than half.

Of all the Airmax scopes I have, all handily beat the SW in image quality and light gathering abilities, when set at the same power. I have a 4-16X 30SF Airmax that blows the SW away optically from 6-16X on both scopes. There's no comparison. My compact Airmax 30 3-12X also beats the SW from 6-12X.

I am just pretty bummed at the lack of lenses in the SW. It sure seems the SW range is nothing more than a "dolled up" scope with more features than image quality. I'm trying to see the difference between the H2 lens system of the Airmax and the H5 of the SW range. It sure looks to me like the H2 is superior. I'll tell you one thing, the 30 some odd year old Tasco, though not having all the purdy new features of the SW, sure beats it in image quality and I've used this scope for years and it holds zero well, so it, most likely, will work well on pcp airguns.

The jury is still out on whether the SW goes back or not. It certainly is not what I had expected or hoped for. I'm not saying it's junk, it's not, but it's not head and shoulders better than the Airmax, which it should be.

Before I make a decision on returning it, I'd like to hear anyone's opinion of the SW range of scopes and any scope they would buy in the 6-20 or 6-24 range that would best the SW.
I Have a Hawke 56 But I have another one Called Sniper Cost about 1/3 as much I like Better
 
The optic industry has been forced to remove some toxic transition metals from the glass recipe. The upshot is that the older Japanese built scopes frequently have surprisingly good glass. I've got high end optics and some older Tasco and Bushnell scopes that are remarkably competitive.

As others have said, 20X and more is going to want a larger objective. And the Hubbles, they do weigh...
 
The optic industry has been forced to remove some toxic transition metals from the glass recipe. The upshot is that the older Japanese built scopes frequently have surprisingly good glass. I've got high end optics and some older Tasco and Bushnell scopes that are remarkably competitive.

As others have said, 20X and more is going to want a larger objective. And the Hubbles, they do weigh...

I have an older Tasco TS target scope, 6-24X and it is as clear as any scope I have ever owned. I haven't looked through it for a while, but it may have some CA or pincushion, but it's a great scope and has held up over....I dunno.....30 years!
 
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